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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 Hi  friends
 
 I  had  setup  a  2  feet  (  70  Lts  )  planted  tank  around  2  months  back.  It  is  moderately  planted  with  a  small  amazon,  few  sagitaria,  a  few  green  cabamba  and  few  grass  at  background.  There  are  2  tubes  inall  as  light  source  run  minimum  12  hours/day,   one  true  daylight  and  another  yellow  one.  Overall  yellow  spectrum.  DIY  CO2  is  injected.  PMDD  (  Madans  formula  )  is  dosed  from  last  3  weeks.  Extra  macros  not  dosed  yet.
 
 I  have  rapidly  growing  bread  algae  first  on  old  growth.  Now  started  to  grow  even  on  new  ones.  New  leaves  of  sagitaria  and  grass  is  almost  transperent  to  pale  yellow.  Cabamba  though  growing  well  is  also  yellowish  and  a  little  tallish.  Most  of  the  plants  start  pearling  after  around  6  hours  from  on.
 
 Friends  please  help  me  to  improve  plant  growth.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  friends
 
 I  had  setup  a  2  feet  (  70  Lts  )  planted  tank  around  2  months  back.  It  is  moderately  planted  with  a  small  amazon,  few  sagitaria,  a  few  green  cabamba  and  few  grass  at  background.  There  are  2  tubes  inall  as  light  source  run  minimum  12  hours/day,  Â one  true  daylight  and  another  yellow  one.  Overall  yellow  spectrum.  DIY  CO2  is  injected.  PMDD  (  Madans  formula  )  is  dosed  from  last  3  weeks.  Extra  macros  not  dosed  yet.
 
 I  have  rapidly  growing  bread  algae  first  on  old  growth.  Now  started  to  grow  even  on  new  ones.  New  leaves  of  sagitaria  and  grass  is  almost  transperent  to  pale  yellow.  Cabamba  though  growing  well  is  also  yellowish  and  a  little  tallish.  Most  of  the  plants  start  pearling  after  around  6  hours  from  on.
 
 Friends  please  help  me  to  improve  plant  growth.
 
 Regards
 
 PRADEEP                

 Increase  and  double  your  lighting  by  putting  in  four  tubes.  Put  in  plenty  of  cheap  locally     available  aquatic  stem  plants  -  To  take  out  the  excessive  nutrients  and  these  plants  can  be  discarded  later.
 
 A  side  view  -  Check  the  light  fitting.
 A  two  weeks  old  tank  planted  two  feet  tank.  Two  tubes  in  each  fitting.  These  fitting  are  called  industrial  fittings  and  come  with  one  choke  two  starters  and  two  tubes  and  the  reflector/shade.  These  are  very  cheap  and  durable.  You  could  change  the  copper  choke  to  an  electronic  one  and  then  they  would  be  no  need  of  the  starters.
 Light  is  one  of  the  most  important  needs  of  plants  to  photosynthesize.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 Dear  Trevor
 
 Do  you  want  to  suggest  that  my  light  intensity  is  very  low  and  I  have  to  add  more  light  ?  Already  using  2  tubes  means  36  watts  for  70  Lts.  of  water.  Hight  of  water  colum  is  15  inches.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

                                                   
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Dear  Trevor
 
 Do  you  want  to  suggest  that  my  light  intensity  is  very  low  and  I  have  to  add  more  light  ?  Already  using  2  tubes  means  36  watts  for  70  Lts.  of  water.  Hight  of  water  colum  is  15  inches.
 
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 PRADEEP                

 Exactly,  Your  light  intensity  is  too  low  and  you  should  add  another  two  tubes.  Â After  your  tank  stablizes  you  may  reduce  your  lighting  that  is  if  you  wish.  You  knock  off  the  beard  algae  infested  leaves  mercilessly  and  new  leaves  will  appear  soon  with  the  doubled  lighting.  
 36  Watts  fluorescent  lighting  for  70  lts  is  a  low  light  tank.
 That  is  why  I  have  posted  the  pic.  All  of  us  use  four  two  ft  tubes  for  a  two  ft  by  15"  by  15".
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 Dear  Trevor
 
 I  will  increase  the  light  as  suggested  by  you.  But  I  am  really  worried  that  algae  will  shoot  up  with  more  light.
 
 Do  you  think  any  other  parameter  need  to  change.  The  bread  algae  just  stopping  plants  growth  as  it  started  to  grow  evev  on  new  growth.  My  plants  will  be  stunned  soon  I  fear..........
 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

                                                   
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Dear  Trevor
 
 I  will  increase  the  light  as  suggested  by  you.  But  I  am  really  worried  that  algae  will  shoot  up  with  more  light.
 
 Do  you  think  any  other  parameter  need  to  change.  The  bread  algae  just  stopping  plants  growth  as  it  started  to  grow  evev  on  new  growth.  My  plants  will  be  stunned  soon  I  fear..........
 
 Regards
 
 PRADEEP                

 
 Along  with  increased  lighting  you  have  to  put  in  plenty  of  fast  growing  stem  plants  to  deprive  the  beard  algae  of  nutrients.
 The  beard  algae  grows  well  on  bog  wood/drift  wood,  corners,  filters  and  rocks  not  forgeting  your  leaves.
 Physically  remove  whatever  algae  you  can  and  plant  as  many  cheap  plants  you  can  which  will  compete  with  the  algae.
 The  best  way  to  prevent  algae  in  a  planted  aquarium  is  to  estabilish  continued  strong  plant  growth.  
 When  it  comes  to  collecting  nutrients  and  utilizing  light  plants  have  many  advantages  over  algae.  
 Good  plant  growth  will  starve  algae  of  nutrients.  
 A  healthy  well  planted  aquarium  rarely  will  encounter  algae  growth.  
 The  allelochemicals  produced  by  plants  play  a  part  in  restricting  algae  growth.
 
 The  results  of  chemical  treatments  of  algae  are  widely  variable  and  they  effectiveness  not  constant  and  guaranteed.
 The  Siamese  flying  fox  (Crossochelus  Siamensis)  may  eat  beard  algae  and  can  be  added  later.
 Many  loaches,  catfish,  snail  and  fresh  water  shrimp  will  browse  on  algae  and  prevent  it  from  getting  a  foothold  in  the  aquarium.  
 I  have  found   Tropheus  duboisi  to  be  good.  But  all  this  has  to  be  added   later  on  in  the  continued  and  continuous  war  against  algae.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 Hi  Trevor,
 
 Sorry  to  be  off  the  topic,  but  from  where  can  i  pick  up  the  lights  as  shown  in  the  pictures  and  whats  the  cost  like  for  a  2  ft  tank.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 Hey!!!
 
   Pleanty  of  places  from  where  you  can  pick  up  the  tubes.
 
 Look  at  the  lighting  section.  Look  out  for  Osram  Sunlight,  Bio  lux,  Lumilux  combinations.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 Hi  Pradeep:
 
 Firstly,  let  me  understand  it's  a  70  Litre  (Not  70  Gallon)...tank.
 
 These  are  the  lighting  density  suggested...
 
 2  -  2.5W  /  Gal  =  Moderately  lighted
 3  -  3.5W  /  Gal  =  Ideally  suited
 4+W  /  Gal  =  High  lighting
 
 Now,  70lts  =  15.5  Gal...
 
 So,  your  36W  lighting  is  OK  for  the  plants  you've  mentioned...
 
 Beard  Algae  thrives  in  Co2  rich  water...
 As  your  lighting  is  moderate  and  the  induced  CO2  is  not  controlled...there's  algae  boom
 
 My  suggestion  is  stop  CO2  injection  and  put  an  aerator  for  a  week
 Reduce  lighting  to  10hrs...and  see  the  difference
 
 Dose  KNO3  on  weekly  WCs  as  you  say  the  leaves  are  turning  yellow  (indicates  nitrate  deficiency)
 
 Regulated  CO2  is  the  mantra  for  highly  lighted  planted  tanks...
 HTH,
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 Oops  double  posting...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Trevor,
 
 Sorry  to  be  off  the  topic,  but  from  where  can  i  pick  up  the  lights  as  shown  in  the  pictures  and  whats  the  cost  like  for  a  2  ft  tank.
 
 Thanks
 
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 J.P.  Lighting  palace  off  B.V.  K  Iyengar  Road.
 Any  resonably  big  electrical  shop  in  the  market  areas  will  do  I  suppose.
 
 Buy  it  bare  shell  no  starter,  no  choke  and  no  tubes  for  Rs.  200/-.
 
 A  plug  and  play  unit  will  cost  double.
 
 Put  in  your  own  choice  or  combination  of  tubes  Phillips  true  lite/  osram  etc  etc
 
 Put  in  a  good  quality  copper  choke,  electronic  will  be  ideal  when  you  are  running  a  timer.
 
 A  word  of  caution  to  newbies.
 A  fluorescent  tube  is  a  very  efficient  light  source.  But  they  life  is  about  two  years.
 A  tube  will  lose  50%  of  its  efficiency  after  a  year.
 So  the  tube  has  to  be  changed  every  year.
 
 For  larger  and  deeper  aquariums  the  cost  and  practicality  of  a  number  of  fluorescent  tubes  is  unwarranted  and  Metal  Halide  will  work  out  perfectly.
 Here  the  M.H  has  also  been  proven  Â to  be  a  better  deal.  Smile
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 Dear  Nag  &  Trevor
 
 Thnks  for  your  suggessions.  
 
 Now  I  am  really  confused  on  CO2  issue.  From  some  of  the  earlier  postings  in  the  forum  I  thought  DIY  CO2  works  wonder  and  injecting  CO2  is  very  necessary.  CO2  have  to  be  injected  before  any  PMDD  dosing.  Now  I  have  3  questions  as
 1)  Uncontrolled  CO2  like  in  the  DIY  method  should  be  stopped  forever  or  needs  in  the  later  stage  ?
 2)  How  much  KNO3  to  be  dosed  in  my  70  Lts  tank  ?  Yes  I  confirm  it  is  70  Lts  and  not  70  Gals.
 3)  All  the  bread  algae  infested  new  growth  needs  to  be  removed  ?
 
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 Hi  Pradeep:
 
 1.  Yes,  CO2  injection  is  a  must  for  plant  propagation...but,not  at  the  cost  of  BBA...So,  stop  injection  for  a  short  duration  where  you  see  BBA  dies...
 
 2.  KNO3  -  Half  a  teaspoon  a  week  is  more  than  sufficient  at  the  moment
 
 3.  Try  removing  the  algae  on  old  leaves  and  leaves  new  leaves  as  it  is...
 
 Bye,
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 I  maybe  wrong.
 But  I  am  of  the  opinion  that  Co2  really  helps  fighting  algae.
 I  have  had  this  situation  where  in  i  was  lazy  to  start  a  fresh  batch  of  DIY  co2  and  within  a  week  Beard  showed  up  on  amazon  sword  leaves.
 As  soon  as  i  started  the  Co2  the  Beard  alage  went  away  slowly.
 
 Pradeep,
 As  we  spoke  last  over  last  weekend,
 Try  and  get  Rosy  Barbs,  the  realy  do  a  good  job  with  the  Beard  algae.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Transparent new growth Reply with quote

 Hi  Pradeep,
 I  go  110%  with  what  Master  Trevor  Says.  Starve  the  Algae...Best  way  plant  heavily  with  stem  plants,  the  cheap  ones  you  get  at  Shivagi  Nagar  or  any  LFS.  Increase  your  lighting.  Keep  CO2  constant.  DO  NOT  add  any  ferts  for  the  first  six  to  eight  weeks.  Let  the  plants  establish  a  good  root  system  &  algae  will  automatically  die  out.  After  a  month  put  in  American  Flag  fish,  SAEs,  bristle  nose  plecos  etc  to  remove  any  stubborn  algae.
 all  the  best  ....and  remember  plants  grow  slowly,  your  patience  must  be  directly  propotional.
 
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