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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 codename  u  said  :   i  request  hobbyist  to  share  their  fish's,  plants,  inverts  to  fellow  hobbyist  so  in  future  if  you  run  out  of  any  particular  species  say  it  could  be  a  plant  or  a  fish  you  can  get  it  from  your  fellow  hobbyist..
 
 well  to  be  honest  a  lot  of  fellow  hobbiests  on  iah  charge  premium  for  their  products,  and  some  people  are  benefiting..  i  am  not  gonna  take  names  but  yes  please  do  encourage  other  people  to  rise  and  stop  the  monopoly...  honestly  guys  if  u  havnt  oredred  fish  from  snowdewaqua  u  have  no  right  supporting  sirish...  when  u  see  it  u  believe  it....
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 Hi,
 I  started  this  thread  hoping  everybody  is  aware  of  what  goes  on,no  personal  interest  and  no  harm  to  the  suppliers
 Nikitanain,this  is  between  me  and  the  supplier,how  come  it  has  been  so  painful  to  you?The  supplier  has  also  apologised  tor  the  poor  quality,which  i  appreciate.
 If  you  really  want  to  appreciate  the  quality  of  these  fishes  i  can  ship  them  to  you.
 with  regards
 shishir  kamat
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 it  is  of  concern  to  me  as  i  cant  stand  lies....  and  yes  i  do  trust  u  enough  for  u  to  ship  me  some  dead  fish  and  say  snow  dew  aqua  shipped  them...  
 
 btw  if  this  was  between  u  and  the  supplier  then  why  did  u  post  this  thread..  was  it  not  your  intention  to  blow  things  out  of  proption??
 i  dont  need  u  to  ship  me  anything..he  has  been  shipping  me  tihings  for  quite  a  time....
 btw  am  still  waiting  for  the  proof......
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 Nikita  did  u  buy  your  so  called  "ranchu  goldfishes"  ,  whose  pictures  you  had  on  your  orkut  album,  from  snowdewaqua?
 If  yes  then  they  may  be  healthy,  but  definitely  not  of  good  breed.  Rather  none  of  your  goldfishes  in  your  orkut  album  looks  to  be  of  good  breed.  Though  i  find  that  you  recently  have  deleted  all  your  goldfish  pictures  from  your  album.  Any  way  you  are  quite  old  in  this  hobby,  even  much  older  than  me  so  you  must  very  well  be  knowing  what  i  mean  by  poor  quality  ranchu....
 
 I  think  "shishirkamat"  wanted  to  highlight  this  aspect.
 
 Also  a  few  days  ago  i  along  with  my  elder  brother(a  old  member  of  IAH)  was  exchanging  pms  with  with  that  chennai  based  breeder.  They  didn't  provide  us  with  photos  of  the  fishes  we  wanted  to  buy  even  after  repeated  requests.  Then  the  price  they  quoted  were  far  too  higher  than  that  we  get  here  in  kolkata.
 
 This  just  my  opinion.  And  i  being  a  young  member....may  be  wrong.....if  any,  i  apologize  for  that......
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 First  of  all  what  is  good  quality  fish.  No  good  quality  fish  ever  comes  to  India.  And  especially  not  to  any  LFS.
 If  you  want  good  quality  fish  you  have  to  hand  carry  it  from  abroad  yourself.
 
 The  best  from  the  international  market  go  to  Japan  then  Europe  and  then  U.S.A.
 The  fish  ready  for  culling  comes  to  India.
 
 Among  our  circle  of  Bangalore  hobbyists  most  are  family  friends  and  very  rarely  has  fish  or  plants  been  sold.  Madan  started  the  trend  when  he  brought  back  plants  and  distributed.  The  only  condition  was  that  we  have  pressurized  Co2  in  order  to  accelerate  multiplication  and  further  distribute  to  newbies.
 That  is  why  we  have  so  many  planted  tank  hobbyists  in  Bangalore.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 i  havnt  ordered  any  ranchus  from  snowdewaqua..  i  have  ordered  a  lot  of  other  fish  for  my  LFS  and  other  friends....  
 well  sandipan  ..  half  knowledge  can  be  dangerous....  so  its  better  to  keep  quite  when  u  dont  know  all  the  facts.....
 
 btw  in  kolkata  u  get  fish  dirt  cheap....  any  place  other  than  kolkatta  is  gonna  be  expensive,...  what  did  u  expect..  for  him  to  give  u  fish  for  free??
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 anyways  am  done  here..  no  point  trying  to  convince  people  who  have  preconcieved  ideas  in  their  head.....  just  Â leave  people  alone  who  have  done  no  wrong.....  
 
 and  oh  yes....  as  long  as  IAH  continue  the  monopoly  will  continue  ..  JUST  MY  2  cents......
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 Have  been  following  this  thread  for  sometime  now...just  one  question.........nikitanain,  do  you  own  a  LFS  
 
   "i  havnt  ordered  any  ranchus  from  snowdewaqua..  i  have  ordered  a  lot  of  other  fish  for  my  LFS  and  other  friends....  "
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi,
 Recently  got  a  batch  of  10  Ranchu  Goldfishes  from  a  fish  farm  from  Chennai  who  Advertises  on  IAH  regulary,I  was  told  that  these  are  imported  stuff,when  i  got  the  consignment  these  seem  to  be  nothing  better  than  Gutter  quality  fises,really  horrible.
 My  suggestion  to  fellow  Aquarist  would  be  not  to  buy  fishes  from  such  guys  unless  you  see  the  quality  of  fishes,or  ask  fellow  hobbyist  to  check  the  stock  before  buying  them.
 with  warm  regards
 Shishir  Kamat                

 
 Thank  God  you  at  least  got  some  gutter  quality  Goldfishes.  I  was  wondering  how  you  and  the  good  doctor  from  Dharwar  could  be  so  trustworthy.  
 I  sincerely  believed  you  would  get  only  water  in  those  packets  after  I  checked  out  his  Chennai  website.  Thanks  for  the  information.  
 One  reason  why  we  urge  members  to  have  more  interaction  among  fellow  hobbyists  and  give  the  right  feedback  when  necessary.
 No  member  on  IAH  has  ever  recommended  that  fish  farm  website  or  the  seller.                

 
 If  no  member  has  ever  recommended  the  seller  then  why  do  you  take  the  liberty  of  discouraging  other  members  from  buying  the  stuff  this  particular  dealer  is  selling,  you  may  warn  other  hobbyists  about  the  quality  but  cannot  go  on  to  judge  the  goods  by  someone  elses  experience  or  just  by  looking  at  the  dealers  website,  at  a  glance  it  seems  that  there  are  people  that  have  had  very  unsatisfactory  results  of  doing  business  with  this  particular  seller,  at  the  same  time  there  are  those  who  claim  to  have  got  better  ones.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 Sandip,  you  are  not  wrong  because  Kolkatta  has  been  a  place  to  look  up  to  for  good  quality  goldies  for  quite  sometime  now!
 @Sishir,
 buddy,  we  appreciate  your  feed  back  and  would  sure  like  people  to  atleast  speak  up  if  they  find  something  is  not  right  somewhere.
 @Nikita,
 I  request  you  to  please  calm  down.
 Yes,  competition  is  good  and  brings  out  the  best  in  you!  I  agree  with  you  in  what  you  say  about  taking  care  of  the  monopoly  factor  -  indeed!
 However,  I  would  just  request  you  to  not  get  too  personal  in  your  comments  and  try  to  think  about  the  whole  scene  from  Shishir's  point  of  view,  I  agree  with  nytyn  and  would  endorse  his  statement  that  Shishir  sure  knows  his  goldfish  better.  I  mean  he  might  have  not  got  something  he  was  either  anticipating  or  expecting  or  may  be  promised.  BTW,  till  you  spilled  the  beans  I  did  not  have  the  faintest  idea  of  whom  he  was  talking  about  and  neither  would  I  have  cared  (as  you  said  'ignorance  sure  is  bliss')  because  it  is  a  deal  between  two  individuals  which  went  sour  and  I  don't  know  about  the  chennai  breeder  but,  since  you  know  him  and  endorse  his  quality  it  sure  seems  a  matter  which  they  should  sort  out  on  their  own.  I  guess  Shishir  just  wanted  to  reach  out  to  his  fishy  friends  here  to  say  that  he  did  not  get  satisfied  with  the  fish  he  got  for  the  money  he  paid.  (mind  well,  he  never  mentioned  any  names  on  the  forum)  May  be  Shishir  was  expecting  something  better  for  the  price!
 I  have  never  ever  traded  in  anything  with  Shishir  (so  I  don't  have  any  commercial  interest  to  support  him)  but,  from  what  little  I  came  to  know  Shishir  when  we  met  at  Aquatika  -  2007  I  can  assure  you  that  it  would  be  difficult  for  a  person  like  him  to  lie.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 Now  nikita...
 thats  the  worst  way  of  attacking  some  one  personally......Thumb Down  
 Your  PM  is  also  very  insulting  to  say  the  least.  Why  did  u  not  write  those  lines  here,  instead  of  PM  ing  me?  what  r  u  afraid  of?  U  r  just  showing  how  big  hypocrite  u  r!
 
 By  the  way  nikita  why  r  U  getting  so  much  agitated?  How  much  stake  do  u  have  in  his  farm?  I  only  shared  my  experience  for  the  benefit  of  members  here.  Its  for  the  members  here  to  take  it  or  throw  it....
 For  your  kind  information,  I  used  to  be  a  very  much  novice  a  few  months  back.  But  thanks  to  IAH  i  got  introduced  to  some  of  the  most  experienced  hobbyist  here  in  kolkata.  And  they  had  made  be  quite  knowledgeable  in  the  field  of  goldfishes.  Also  90%  of  the  goldfish  supplied  throughout  India  is  from  my  neighborhood  HOWRAH.  Now  a  days  i  almost  eat,  sleep  and  drnk  goldfishes....Drinking   ROFL  
 
 @  Trevor  sir
 Sir  i  do  understand  that  good  quality  fishes  are  not  available  in  India.   By  quality  i  meant  to  say  the  best  available  in  India.  I  didn't  mean   to  compare  with  the  internationally  best  ones.  I  personally  don't  own  too  good  quality  golds  but  here  in  kolkata  there  are  quite  a  few  people  who  own  it.  And  i  am  fortunate  enough  to  know  these  men  and  seen  their  collection.  They  have  brought  it  from  Singapore,  hong  kong  on  their  personal  visits.  Some  of  these  men  are  also  dormant  members  of  IAH.
 Sir,  do  pardon  me  if  i  sounded  harsh  or  big-mouth.  I  am  just  a  young  blood....  and  you  know  what  i  mean...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

                                                   
shishirkamat  wrote  (View  Post):                
Hi,
 Recently  got  a  batch  of  10  Ranchu  Goldfishes  from  a  fish  farm  from  Chennai  who  Advertises  on  IAH  regulary,I  was  told  that  these  are  imported  stuff,when  i  got  the  consignment  these  seem  to  be  nothing  better  than  Gutter  quality  fises,really  horrible.
 My  suggestion  to  fellow  Aquarist  would  be  not  to  buy  fishes  from  such  guys  unless  you  see  the  quality  of  fishes,or  ask  fellow  hobbyist  to  check  the  stock  before  buying  them.
 with  warm  regards
 Shishir  Kamat                

 
 Did  you  take  the  pains  of  inspecting  the  stocks  before  ordering  them,  as  you  have  gone  on  to  suggest  to  other  fellow  aquarists,  your  suggestion  is  not  only  practical  but  saves  a  lot  of  problems  that  might  occur  after  the  ordering  of  stocks,  but  is  it  not  possible  to  circumvent  the  safeguards  that  you  have  suggested...  if  some  dealer  really  wants  to  cheat  hobbyists,  and  tell  me  how  would  that  particular  dealer  gain  customers  in  the  longrun....?  might  be  a  mistake  on  part  of  the  seller.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

                                                   
aquascapes  wrote  (View  Post):                
Sandip,  you  are  not  wrong  because  Kolkatta  has  been  a  place  to  look  up  to  for  good  quality  goldies  for  quite  sometime  now!
 @Sishir,
 buddy,  we  appreciate  your  feed  back  and  would  sure  like  people  to  atleast  speak  up  if  they  find  something  is  not  right  somewhere.
 @Nikita,
 I  request  you  to  please  calm  down.
 Yes,  competition  is  good  and  brings  out  the  best  in  you!  I  agree  with  you  in  what  you  say  about  taking  care  of  the  monopoly  factor  -  indeed!
 However,  I  would  just  request  you  to  not  get  too  personal  in  your  comments  and  try  to  think  about  the  whole  scene  from  Shishir's  point  of  view,  I  agree  with  nytyn  and  would  endorse  his  statement  that  Shishir  sure  knows  his  goldfish  better.  I  mean  he  might  have  not  got  something  he  was  either  anticipating  or  expecting  or  may  be  promised.  BTW,  till  you  spilled  the  beans  I  did  not  have  the  faintest  idea  of  whom  he  was  talking  about  and  neither  would  I  have  cared  (as  you  said  'ignorance  sure  is  bliss')  because  it  is  a  deal  between  two  individuals  which  went  sour  and  I  don't  know  about  the  chennai  breeder  but,  since  you  know  him  and  endorse  his  quality  it  sure  seems  a  matter  which  they  should  sort  out  on  their  own.  I  guess  Shishir  just  wanted  to  reach  out  to  his  fishy  friends  here  to  say  that  he  did  not  get  satisfied  with  the  fish  he  got  for  the  money  he  paid.  (mind  well,  he  never  mentioned  any  names  on  the  forum)  May  be  Shishir  was  expecting  something  better  for  the  price!
 I  have  never  ever  traded  in  anything  with  Shishir  (so  I  don't  have  any  commercial  interest  to  support  him)  but,  from  what  little  I  came  to  know  Shishir  when  we  met  at  Aquatika  -  2007  I  can  assure  you  that  it  would  be  difficult  for  a  person  like  him  to  lie.                

 
 Thank  you  Sir  for  chipping  in  and  making  things  clear.  Also  sir  i  want  to  launch  an  official  complaint  against  nikitanain  for  posting  insults.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 btw  sandipan..  i  have  no  stakes  in  his  farm..  i  sent  u  the  pm  cause  i  dint  wanna  embaress  u  in  public....
 well  if  i  stay  next  to  a  jungle  that  dosnt  make  me  an  expert  on  wildlife..does  it  now???  same  way  if  u  stay  next  to  the  HOWRAH  u  dont  become  an  expert  in  breeds  of  goldfish.....
 and  u  have  no  right  to  call  me  an  hypocrite...  pls  dont  even  get  me  started  with  the  name  calling.....
 
 sandipan  i  havnt  got  personal  till  now..  if  i  do  then......  i  think  u  got  me....
 
 i  do  agree  that  i  have  been  a  bit  agitated..  and  thats  only  for  1  reason...  a  lot  of  people  are  taking  sides  without  actually  ordering  from  this  guy...  if  u  want  to  say  something  bad  about  anybody,  u  shoud  have  had  a  personal  experience  with  him  or  his  products....
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Purchase of fish from a breeder who advertises on IAH Reply with quote

 well  looks  like  u  can  call  me  an  hipocrite  and  thats  a  compliment  Smile
 hey  sandipan  are  u  gonna  launch  a  complaint  in  the  police  also??  stop  whining  like  a  small  kid....
 
 and  am  done  here.....
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