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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 Hiall  ,
 Its  been  a  week  since  i  have  started  a  new  50  gallon  planted  tank.  I  have  added  a  few  plants  for  the  moment  and  am  using  my  old  dolphin  HOB  filter  with  500L/H  capacity  to  filter.  I  Have  added  very  less  fish  around  12  of  them  mainly  live  bearers  for  cycling  of  my  tank.  The  LFS  guy  suggested  that  the  Dolphin  HOB  is  ok  to  start  with  and  i  can  think  of  adding  another  internal  power  filter  as  i  add  my  live  stock.  Lately  i  am  noticing  small  plant  debris  floating  on  top(  Mainly  dead  leaves  )  I  clean  them  up  using  the  fish  net  ,but  it  makes  me  wonder  if  this  is  normal.  I  dont  have  a  big  budget  for  a  filter  as  yet  so  any  suggestion  on  this  regard  would  be  highly  appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 I  have  experienced  the  same!  i  think  its  ok!  even  i  use  the  Net!  do  u  use  Co2  in  the  tank?because  if  there  is  not  enough  co2,  then  the  plants  might  be  really  dying!
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 Hey  Abhi
 
 New  Plants  loosing  some  leaves  in  first  one  or  two  weeks  is  not  a  problem.  If  your  plants  are  not  showing  growth  of  new  leaves  then  you  have  a  problem.
 
 Please  provide  more  details  of  your  tank
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 @Natrery-  I  did  try  the  DIY  CO2  method  but  wasnt  too  sucessful.  I  think  there  was  some  leakage  in  the  bottle.  Any  suggestion  on  what  medium  i  should  use  to  seal  the  hole  on  the  cap.
 
 @Seetharam-  Its  been  a  week  so  i  dont  know  whether  they  are  growing  or  not  but  they  look  fresh  and  green.  Also  i  stay  in  Delhi  and  i  read  airstones  should  not  be  used  in  planted  tank  setups  since  they  hampe  with  co2?  Is  it  ok  if  i  dont  diffuse  any  oxygen  in  the  tank?  I  do  it  for  short  intervals  though
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 as  seetharam  suggested  More  details  as  Substrate,  lighting,  dosing..would  really  help..
 
 what  bottle  ┬ácap  are  we  talking  about?  The  mineral  water  bottle?  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 Abhi,
 
 Just  a  tip.  When  drilling  a  hole  in  the  cap,  just  ensure  that  the  drill  bit  just  fits  into  the  hole  of  the  tube  that  you  will  be  passing  through.  i.e.  the  drill  bit  must  be  smaller  than  the  tube.  This  way  your  tube  will  fit  tightly  in  the  hole  in  the  cap  and  there  shouldnt  be  any  leaks.  
 
 If  a  leak  still  is  there,  silicon  gel  can  be  used  to  seal  it  up.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 Abhi  -  I  feel  you  still  have  a  lot  of  reading  up  to  do  on  planted  tanks.
 
 You  are  not  diffusing  O2  in  your  tank  by  aerating  it.  The  bubbles  merely  increases  surface  agitation  which  in  turn  improves  exchange  of  gases  at  the  water  surface  hence  leading  to  higher  oxygen  levels  in  your  tank.  So  if  you  are  diffuisng  Co2  in  your  tank  using  an  aerator  will  cause  loss  of  it  due  to  water  surface  agitation.
 
 Even  planted  tanks  are  aerated,  but  only  after  lights  off,  the  reason  for  this  is  that  plants  absorb  O2  at  night.
 
 Hope  this  answers  your  question.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 hi  Seetharam  ,
 
 I  know  i  need  to  read  more,  this  is  my  first  endevour  so  am  trying  to  give  it  my  best.  Little  knowledge  is  always  dangerous  ,  so  am  gonna  hit  more  of  the  forum  topics  now.  Thanks  for  your  advice  and  guideance,  Its  much  appreciated@  alistair  &Natrery
   thanks  for  your  inputs  too.
 
 As  for  the  substrate  i  am  using  red  sea  aqua  flora  with  river  sand.  I  need  to  install  the  T5's  this  week.  At  the  moment  i  have  planted  few   plants  such  that  they  get  sufficient  light.  Currently  using  3  18  watts  CFLS  .  I  know  this  is  less  but  can  only  install  the  t5's  on  weekend  .Please  guide  me  on  dosing  as  i  still  have  to  decide  on  that.
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 You  could  try  the  DO  AQUA  be  green  from  ADA,  supplies  micros  and  macros,  this  is  a  good  option  for  beginners.  but  im  not  sure  how  this  will  react  with  the  substrate  that  you  are  using.  For  more  info  see  the  link  below
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=14053
 
 The  DO  AQUA  be  soft  from  ADA  even  supplies  CO2  to  your  plants,  see  the  below  link  for  more  info
 
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=14108
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Plant debris floating on top Reply with quote

 Hi  Seetharam,
 where  can  i  source  them  from?  would  you  recommend  sera  florena?  as  i  have  easy  acess  to  this
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 Abhi  ,  if  you  are  going  Low  tech  (  less  than  2  WPG  )  then  Do  Aqua  !  Be  Green  will  be  OK.  But  see  ,  ADA  clearly  states  that  it  does  not  contain  Nitrogen  Or  Phosphorus.  So  in   highlight  tank  this  is  a  useless  thing.  Nitrogen  and  Phosphorus  are  both  essential  compound  required  for  photosynthesis  and  manufacture  of  chlorophyll.  Leaves  will  turn  yellow  with  Nitrogen  deficiency.  
 
 Potassium  on  the  other  hand  can  be  skipped  and  plants   can  still  grow  for  many  weeks  without  K.  However  for  healthy  growth  it  is  a  must.  K  does  not  directly  help  in  any  manufacturing  process  ,  it  plays  role  in  uptake  of  nutrients.
 
 So  I  suggest  you  to  go  with  PMDD  i.e  role  your  own  fertilizer  by  mixing  KNO3  ,  K2SO4  ,  MgSO4  and  trace  elements.  Will  be  cheaper  by  1/10th  of  what  you  pay  for  Do  Aqua  !  Be  Green.
 
 A  Be  Green  bottle  ,  costing  Rs.  310  (  MRP  ;  as  posted  by  Adip  from  ADA  India  )  will  treat  a  2  ft  tank  for  only  a  month.  Then  imagine  the  cost  for  your  tank  !
 
 Read  a  lot  !  And  first  decide  if  you  will  go  for  Low  light  and  high  light  tank.  DIY  CO2  works  great  for  tanks  up  to  even  30  gallon  but  it  is  useless  and  a  lot  of  hassle  for  a  50  gallon  tank.  
 So  you  should  get  a  pressurized  CO2  kit  worth  Rs.  4500  approx  (  not  for  any  brand  ;  assembled  by  yourself  ).  Can't  afford  it  (  on  a  student  budget  )  ?  Go  for  Low  light  tank  !  No  CO2  ,  few  ferts  ,  algae  is  rare  !  High  light  is  complex  for  a  starter,  if  anything  is  less  or  more  -  you'll  have  algae  !   
 
 I  myself  started  with  high  light  and  I  am  now  paying  the  price  ...  my  tank  is  an  algae  farm  right  now  and  it  is  such  an  eyesore  that  I  am  keeping  guests  away  from  that  room  !   Chuckle
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 The  problem  with  plants  in  my  tank  is  that  very  few  of  them  have  managed  to  root  properly.  Rest  remain  stunted  although  I've  pressurized  CO2,  high  lights  and  appropriate  dozing  in  my  tank
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The  problem  with  plants  in  my  tank  is  that  very  few  of  them  have  managed  to  root  properly.  Rest  remain  stunted  although  I've  pressurized  CO2,  high  lights  and  appropriate  dozing  in  my  tank                

 
 I  have  the  same  problem  ,  and  since  plants  are  not  growing  algae  is  overtaking  the  plans.   Thumb Down
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 If  the  plants  are  loosing  the  lower  leaves  them  it  might  be  a  problem  of  inadequate  lighting.  How  much  lighting  have  you  gt  and  what  are  the  dimensions  of  the  tank?
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 My  tank  has  no  issues  with  algae  though  I'm  getting  hair  algae  at  some  places  but  I  presume  that  my  rainbows  will  do  their  best  to  keep  them  tabbed.  Neither  I'm  losing  any  old  leaves  .  Just  that  the  plants  seem  to  have  stopped  growing  looks  more  like  plastic.  Just  the  Ambulia  is  growing  crazy.
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