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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: new to discus Reply with quote

 hi  to  all  u  guys  here!!...great  forum  u  have  here,  very  very  informative...perfect  for  a  noob  like  me  
 i  have  had  aquariums  for  nearly  4-5  yrs  now...mostly  cichlids  n  red  bellied  Ps  ...wanted  to  keep  discus  since  a  long  time..so  have  finally  decided  to  do  so..my  setup  right  now  -  
 160  gallon  tank,  a  200w  heater,  2-3  powerheads  with  sponge  n  activated  charcoal  filters  
 have  decided  to  go  the  BB  way...re.  the  fish,  i  am  getting  3-4  pairs  of  1.5-2  inch  discus...will  these  be  too  small??...r  3-4  pairs  enough??...i  cannot  afford  a  external  canister  filter  right  now....mebbe  later..so  will  this  cause  probs??  cuz  i  heard  discus  do  not  like  turbulent  water...
 also  can  i  keep  some  plants  in  small  clay  pots??.
 plzz  gimme  a  honest  opinion  re.  my  setup  cuz  i  dont  want  my  discus  to  suffer...rather  keep  some  plain  ol'  cichlids  again  
 ps  -  will  a  20-30%  WC  everyday  or  every  alternate  day  do??
 also,  between  the  eheim  2213,2215  n  2217,  which  would  be  recommended  for  my  tank?
 i  have  no  prior  experience  of  canister  filters....is  this  statement,  which  i  read  at  aquahobby.com,  possible??  -  
 "I  have  used  the  Eheim  2215  for  years,  and  I  would  not  use  this  design  again.  The  canister  head  is  connected  with  metal  clips  held  in  place  with  pins.  The  pins  fall  out,  and  the  clips  bend  out  of  shape,  resulting  in  the  canister  head  popping  open,  draining  the  tank.  This  happened  when  I  was  away,  and  returned  to  find  200  litres  of  water  spilling  out  of  the  lid  onto  the  carpet!  Priming  is  major  pain.  You  have  to  make  sure  that  there  is  no  air  in  the  canister  (almost  impossible),  and  in  the  process  to  get  a  tight  seal  the  clips  bend  out  of  shape  risking  the  “leaking  tank  at  any  moment”  scenario.  
 Contributed  by  Michael  Lomb"
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 Hello  apollyon,
 I  started  keeping  discus  a  month  back  and  i  would  like  to  share  some  of  my  experiences.
 
 1)  Go  for  a  medium  sized  discus  of  about  3.5  to  4  inches,they  are  more  hardy  and  are  resistable  to  disease  as  per  the  Discus  Gurus
 (I  made  a  mistake  of  buying  smaller  discus  of  about  2"  in  size  due  to  lower  pricing  options  and  have  already  lost  one  snake  skin,the  smaller  the  Discus  the  more  care  it  needs  which  is  not  a  good  option  for  newbie  like  me  and  you)
 
 2)  I  use  borwell  water,  my  discus  seem  to  be  fine  in  that  (If  you  are  using  Tap  water  then  you  might  need  to  consider  the  chlorine  stuff  which  i'm  not  well  aware  of,  the  experienced  guys  out  here  should  explain  it  to  you)
 
 3)  Discus  dont  like  turbulent  water,that  i  have  observed.You  can  have  sponge  filter  with  a  airpump,  the  number  of  sponge  filters  depending  on  you  tank  size  (I  keep  two  small  sponge  filter  for  my  3  feet  tank  housing  the  dicus,  they  say  it  helps  generate  a  large  bacteria  colony)
 
 4)  I  do  not  know  about  keeping  plants  in  clay  pots  and  i  have  stuck  to  the  advice  given  by  seniors  out  here  on  IAH.Barebottom  and  the  sponge  filter  as  an  add  on  accessory  (I  get  tempted  when  i  see  all  those  beautiful  planted  discus  tanks)
 
 5)  Water  changes  are  a  must  everyday.I'm  doing  it  and  believe  me...it's  sure  a  happy  pain.A  minimum  of  30%  is  suggested  by  most  Discus  gurus.
 (I  have  also  heard  from  Madhu  that  once  the  discus  grow  to  the  adult  size  you  can  do  twice  water  changes  a  week,  I  am  waiting  for  my  discus  to  grow  to  an  adult  size    Very Happy  )
 
 Having  said  all  the  above,I'm  enjoying  my  Discus  keeping  and  you  should  too  if  you  get  all  the  things  right  for  them    Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:04 am Post subject:  Reply with quote

 thnks  for  the  detailed  reply!!
 re.  the  size  of  the  fish,  2"  is  the  max  i  can  afford...if  i  buy  3-4",  then  they  r  too  expensive...then  i  can  afford  only  1-2  pairs....btw  can  anyone  plzz  post/pm  prices  of  eheim  filters?
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 Hi  apollyon,
                                 i  think  you  should  first  start  keeping  only  two  discus  of  3-4"and  later  on  say  after  a  month  or  more  after  you  get  accustomed  to  keeping  them  then  buy  as  many  as  you  afford  without  the  risk  of  losing  your  precious  and  costly  fish.
                                                                       If  you  feel  that  you  can't  afford  to  buy  more  discus  after  purchasing  the  first  two  discus  then  what  you  could  do  is  once  you  have  got  accustomed  to  keeping  them  after  a  month  or  more  you  could  sell  or  exchange  them  with  the  LFS  and  buy  the  1-2"  discus  as  many  as  you  could  afford,  which  would  even  reduce  the  risk  of  fish  death  and  possibly  you  could  even  get  more  price  if  you  sell  the  discus  than  what  you  bought  it  for  which  would  enable  you  to  buy  more  discus.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

 ^^thnks  for  the  tips  imran...the  main  reason  i  wanna  buy  small  fishies  is  that  seeing  them  grow  is  awesome...3-4"  discus  look  quite  big.....i  had  got  my  first  2  pairs  of  rbps  which  were  about  1-2cm  small...they  became  nearly  10-11"  Smile...had  got  swindled  before  that  n  got  2  rb  pacus...those  fuggers  grew  at  an  astonishing  rate!!...monsters...lfs's  should  not  be  allowed  to  sell  those  fish...they  grow  tooo  big
 what  r  the  main  reasons  ppl  advocate  against  buying  1-2"  discus's??...is  it  due  to  lower  immunity...or  what?...thnks  again  for  the  help  guys
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

 1)  1-2"  discus  are  not  as  hardy  as  3-4"  discus
 2)  they  get  stressed  very  easily.
 3)  1-2"  discus  need  to  be  fed  more  than  3-4  times(As  hobbyist  it  is  quite  difficult  for  us  to  feed  them  3-4  times  due  to  time  problem)
 4)  water  should  be  very  clean  (100%  water  change)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

                                                   
imran  wrote:                
1)  1-2"  discus  are  not  as  hardy  as  3-4"  discus
 2)  they  get  stressed  very  easily.
 3)  1-2"  discus  need  to  be  fed  more  than  3-4  times(As  hobbyist  it  is  quite  difficult  for  us  to  feed  them  3-4  times  due  to  time  problem)
 4)  water  should  be  very  clean  (100%  water  change)                

 
 Hi,
 Agree  to  no.1  and  no.2
 But  there  is  no  compulsion  in  feeding  babies  3-4  times  a  day  ..daily  twice  feeding  will  also  do  for  ...
 Water  should  be  clean  but  a  100%  water  change  is  not  necessary  a  50%  water  change  will  do...
 
 Secondly  hobbyists  should  keep  atleast  4  discus  in  a  tank  as  discus  are  chichlids  after  all  and  keeping  only  2  discus  the  dominant  one  will  not  let  the  other  eat  thus  affecting  growth...
 
 But  will  advise  newbies  to  purchase  atleast  2-2.5"  of  body  size  of  discus...depending  on  the  strain  They  can  be  bought  at  an  affordable  price...
 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

 Thanks  Mitul  for  your  expert  advice.But  when  surfing  through  the  websites  of  some  very  reputed  discus  breeders  i  got  to  know  that  most  of  them  preferred  100%  water  change  for  their  juvenile  discus  as  this  results  in  faster  growth.
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imran  wrote:                
Thanks  Mitul  for  your  expert  advice.But  when  surfing  through  the  websites  of  some  very  reputed  discus  breeders  i  got  to  know  that  most  of  them  preferred  100%  water  change  for  their  juvenile  discus  as  this  results  in  faster  growth.                

 
 I  agree...
 As  i  even  know  people  in  malaysia  doing  300%  water  changes  but  so  what...
 But  not  in  india  the  water  conditions  differ  and  u  r  not  doin  it  commercially  r  u..  then  it  is  ok  if  u  just  change  min  30%  water  every  day  also..
 and  it  an  advice  for  breeders  who  want  faster  growth  and  wanna  sell  them  not  necessarily  for  hobbyists...
 And  thus  not  a  criteria  or  a  reason  for  not    buying  small  2"  sized  discus..  Smile
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 When  discus  fry  are  commercially  grown  they  are  stocked  densely  and  so  there  is  a  100%  water  change  (doesn't  mean  there  is  no  water  in  the  tank,  water  level  is  reduced  to  around  2  inches)  after  one  hour  or  so  after  every  meal.
 As  Mitul  mentioned  2-2.5  inch  discus  (They  are  usually  measured  from  tip  of  nose  to  base  of  caudal  fin)  is  a  very  comfortable  size  for  beginners.  They  are  lot  more  hardier  and  its  easier  to  spot  their  potential.  IMO  a  group  of  6-8  discus  is  the  best  to  start  with.
 Go  for  Sponge  filters  unless  you  are  not  planning  to  do  regular  water  changes.
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 Rather  than  concentrating  the  size  of  the  discus,  its  better  to  concentrate  on  the  health  &  overall  shape  of  the  discus.    2-2.5"  juvs  are  pretty  hardy.
 So  get  your  fish  from  a  reputed  breeder  and  before  buying,  read  Beta's  article  on  selecting  discus.
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