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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Hello,
 
 I'm  trying  to  achieve  something  like  what  you  can  see  in  the  attached  photograph  but  also  want  a  tree  like  structure.
 
 I've  shortlisted  these  two  plants  which  I  think  would  be  hardy  plants  for  carpeting.
 
 1>  Glossostigma  elatinoides  (Glosso)
 2>  Hemianthus  Callitrichoides   (HC)
 
 Need  you  help  to  decide  on  what  makes  the  best/decent  looking  tree  structure?
 
 Could  you  please  also  help  me  with  the  cheap  substrate  for  these  plants?  I  believe  ADA  tends  to  be  a  little  on  the  higher  side.  
 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Abhi,
   Glosso  is  hardy,  but  HC  cuba  is  not  so  easy  to  grow..
 For  the  tree,  you  need  a  drift  wood  which  has  the  shape  of  a  tree  trunk  with   some  branches.  Use  moss,  or  liverworts  for  the  tree  leaves.
 I  think  many  people  in  IAH  has  done  the  tree  thing,  wait  for  their  advice..  and  for  the  substrate  too.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Thanks  Nidhi  -  Can  you  please  identify  the  grass  like  plant  which  in  present  in  the  photograph  I've  attached  in  my  earlier  post?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Eleocharis  parvula.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 @Pavan  -  Thanks..  Would  you  have  any  idea  if  I  can  use  good  garden  soil  topped  by  2inches  of  sand  as  substrate  for  these  plants?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Substrate  has  an  important  role  in  a  planted  tank.  And  especially  if  you  wanted  to  grow  good  carpet  plants,  you  will  need  a  nutrient  rich  substrate.  ADA  is  one  off  them.  But  as  you  have  mentioned  that  it  might  be  above  your  budget,  then  you  need  to  go  for  DIY  substrate.
 
 There  are  other  branded  substrates  like  Caribsea  planted  substrate,  Seachem  Flourite,  contrasoil,  etc  all  are  in  the  same  price  tag.  Hence  DIY  would  be  the  best  to  suite  your  budget.  
 
 But  you  will  have  to  read  and  collect  information  from  hobbyist  to  understand  on  how  to  make  a  good  DIY  substrate.  When  it  comes  to  DIY  substrate,  there  are  different  ways  of  doing  it.  So  you  will  have  to  decide  which  type  of  DIY  substrate  you  need  based  on  the  setup  you  are  planning.  There  are  many  hobbyist  in  IAH  who  had  used  DIY  substrate.
 
 Both  plants  you  have  mentioned  need  high  light  and  high  CO2.  So  before  deciding  this,  make  sure  that  you  have  high  light  and  pressurized  CO2  setup.  Gorwing  carpet  plants  in  DIY  CO2  would  be  difficult.
 
 In  addition,  HC  is  not  an  easy  growing  plant  as  mentioned  by  Nidhi.  This  plant  need  cool  temperature  (<26Deg  Celsius).  And  it  takes  a  while  for  the  carpet  plant  to  grow  well  in  the  substrate.
 
 So  I  would  ask  you  to  research  more  before  you  step  into  this.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Abhi,
   you  need  to  season  (Mineralising)  the  garden  soil  before  putting  it  in  to  the  tank,  and  2  inches  of  sand  would  be  too  much  for  gloss.  since  the  roots  of  these  plants  will  be  very  shallow,  hence  you  can  do  away  with  1  inch  or  less..
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 @Shelly  -  Thanks  for  the  detailed  reply.
 
 The  two  options  I  had  in  mind  were  contrasoil  +  sand  or  Garden  soil  +  sand.  I'll  read  more  into  mineralising  the  soil  mentioned  by  Nidhi,  I'll  see  if  that  is  something  which  I  can  do  on  my  own.
 
 It  would  be  a  2ftx1ftx1ft,  it  would  have  2-T5s  for  lighting.  I'm  more  inclined  towards  having  a  NON-CO2  or  DIY  CO2  setup.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 @  Nidhi,
 
 What  are  the  different  seasoning  substrate  that  we  can  use?  I  mean  other  than  Vermi-compost.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Shelly,  We  can  use  Humic  acid  for  seasoning
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@Shelly  -  Thanks  for  the  detailed  reply.
 
 The  two  options  I  had  in  mind  were  contrasoil  +  sand  or  Garden  soil  +  sand.  I'll  read  more  into  mineralising  the  soil  mentioned  by  Nidhi,  I'll  see  if  that  is  something  which  I  can  do  on  my  own.
 
 It  would  be  a  2ftx1ftx1ft,  it  would  have  2-T5s  for  lighting.  I'm  more  inclined  towards  having  a  NON-CO2  or  DIY  CO2  setup.                

 
 @  Abhijith,
 
 Contrasoil  +  sand  is  a  good  mixture.  Make  sure  that  you  lay  contra  soil  (nutrient  rich)  soil  at  the  bottom  and  sand  (which  sand?)  at  the  top.
 
 Lighting
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 2x  T5  light  -  If  I  am  not  wrong  the  light  would  be  each  rated  @  14watts.  Hence  14x2=28Watts.  In  this  you  cannot  grow  any  carpet  plants.  The  light  is  too  low  for  a  planted  tank.  You  have  very  less  lighting.  You  need  atleast  3  Watts  per  gallon  for  growing  carpet  plants.
 
 CO2
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 The  two  carpet  plant  that  you  intent  to  grow  need  high  CO2.  You  can  still  grow  Glosso  in  DIY  CO2  (Yeast-Sugar  method).  But  the  growth  rate  would  be  very  less  and  you  would  have  to  consistently  change  the  sugar-yeast  solution  to  get  a  constant  CO2.  Or  else  you  would  have  severe  algae  issue.
 
 Fertilizer  
 ~~~~~~
 
 You  have  not  mentioned  any  thing  about  this.  You  need  to  dose  ferts  for  the  carpet  plants  to  grow.  If  no  ferts,  you  can  hardly  grow  the  carpet  plants  that  you  have  mentioned.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Any  organic  matter  which  has  no  add  chemicals.  I  have  heard  of  using  goat  manure  in  small  quantities,  even  organic  garden  manure.
 You  can  use  the  liquid  fertilizer  which  are  labeled  as  organic  as  well,  but  only  below  the  the  garden  soil.
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 Shelly  -  I  remeber  somebody  suggesting  I  needed  to  have  atleast  36watts  so  the  ones  I  ordered  were  2xnos  of  24Watt  each  tubes.
 
 Also,  If  decide  not  have  a  carpet  &  instead  go  in  for  Eleocharis  parvula..  the  grass  like  plant  in  the  attached  picture.  Would  they  be  able  to  do  without  external  CO2?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Initial Research for Planted Tank Reply with quote

 Although  Shelly  is  right,  but  since  your  tank  is  only  of  12  inches  of  height,  the  28W  light  is  not  bad..
 The  only  reason  we  normally  take  3W/G  as  acceptable  is  because  we  see  a  lot  of  tanks  with  18  inches  height.
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 I  second  Nidhi  on  that.  With  Substrate  and  topping,  the  height  is  going  to  be  even  more  reduced.
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