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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:43 am Post subject: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 As  someone  quoted  in  this  site  there  will  be  less  than  50  specimens  of  this  fish  in  India.
 
 I  have  seen  very  few  dealers  trying  to  get  these  or  offering  these  and  still  fewer  hobbyists  keeping  them.
 
 But  they  say  nothing  more  than  "Zaire  blues  available"  or  "wanted  Zaire  blues"  .
 
 The  problem  is  "Zaireblue"  is  not  an  individual  fish  species  but  a  generic  term  used  to  refer  to  the  gibberosas  collected  in  Mtoto(Moba),kapamba,Kitumba,Tembwe  and  Kalumba.
 
 Each  of  these  variants  are  maintained  as  an  distinct  type  and  mixing  them  is  not  approved  by  experienced  hobbyists.Very  experienced  biologists  say  mixing  certain  variants  are  OK  but  this  is  hypertechnical  and  too  much  for  even  an  experienced  hobbyist  to  handle.
 
 Take  for  instance  the  last  batch  that  was  sold  by  "soutern  India"  as  Zaireblues  were  in  reality  Tanzanites  which  are  Gibberosas  but  not  Zaires.They  are  cousins  of  the  zambian  variety  which  are  also  Gibberosas  but  not  Zaires(they  are  also  beautiful  and  valuable  but  not  eqivalent  to  the  Zaires  .
 
 I  have  spoken  to  some  very  few  dealers  and  hobbyists  who  had  them  and  the  answer  i  got  was  that  they  had  Zaires  but  they  didnt  know  which  variety  they  had.
 
 So  hobbyists/dealers  who  plan  to  have  them  be  particular  about  the  variant  particulars  or  you  may  not  be  getting  or  giving  the  value  of  your  money.
 
 I  will  be  too  glad  to  pass  on  whatever  information  i  have  on  this  subject
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 Sami,
 
 The  only  way  we  can  ensure  that  the  different  species  of  fronts  are  not  interbred  is  to  get  experienced  hobbyists  to  breed  them  and  the  rest  can  get  it  from  them.  May  be  you  or  some  of  the  other  'cyphoholics'  in  the  country  can  start  a  breeding  campaign  and  then  pass  on  the   juveniles  to  the  rest.  
 
 I  have  read  Rahulk  reporting  his  fronts  breeding,  not  sure  if  he  was  successful  in  raising  them,  also  murthy  is  quiet  these  days,  not  sure  how  his  fronts  are
 
 Hopefully  Beta  can  do  the  same  for  Canarensis  soon
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 
 These  Bangalore  juveniles  have  seven  bands  instead  of  the  usual  five  bands.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 The  usual  6  bands  rite?  7  stripe  ZBs  Shocked  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 Whose  juleniles  are  those  Trevor?
 
 Lawrence,
 
 What  happened  to  your  plans  of  getting  ZB?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 yes,  it  is  six  stripes  and  not  five  as  mentioned  by  Trevor.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Lawrence,
 
 What  happened  to  your  plans  of  getting  ZB?
 
 Regards
 Bala                

 
 Hmmm...i  wonder  why  i  see  7  juv  ZBs  swimming  in  my  tank  thesedays  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 For  TREVOR's  post
 
 The  guys  are  right  it  is  6  stripes  normally.The  six  stripe  ordinary  variety  is  the  species  north  the  most  common  is  burrundi.
 
 The  seven  stripe  is  a  distinct  breed  now  called  "  frontosa".The  most  poular  variant  in  this  category  is  "KIGOMA".The  most  beautiful  variant  in  this  seven  bar  type  is  "BOULAMBORO"
 
 The  six  and  seven  striped  ones  should  not  be  mixed.
 
 But  u  getfreaks  all  the  time-see  a  8  stripe  Kigomo
 
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 http://www.cyphos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4450&page=1&pp=10


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 For  crazyFishy's  post
 
 No  ZB  variety  is  known  to  have  7  bars,only  six.Although  some  freak  specimens  have  been  reported  having  6  stripes  on  one  side  and  7  on  the  other.These  are  considered  freaks  and  not  allowed  to  mate.
 
 A  ZAIRE  WITH  6  BARS  ON  ONE  SIDE  &  7  BARS  ON  THE  OTHER
 
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 http://www.cyphos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4336&page=4&pp=10&highlight=freak
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 Yep,  the  usual  six  band.  I  suppose  you  count  the  dark  band.  Six  guys  have  an  extra  band  and  are  "7-Stripe"  or  Kigoma  Frontosa.  The  rest  are  Cyphotilapia  frontosa  Burundi  "6  stripe".
 It  is  too  hazy  to  identify  the  fish  bands  from  these  photographs.  The  tanks  and  fish  belong  to  Adip.  Those  interested  can  visit  him  for  an  closer  inspection.
 Picture  below  is  of  another  tank  of  his.
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

                                                   
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Yep,  the  usual  six  band.  I  suppose  you  count  the  dark  band.  Six  guys  have  an  extra  band  and  are  "7-Stripe"  or  Kigoma  Frontosa.  The  rest  are  Cyphotilapia  frontosa  Burundi  "6  stripe".
 It  is  too  hazy  to  identify  the  fish  bands  from  these  photographs.  The  tanks  and  fish  belong  to  Adip.  Those  interested  can  visit  him  for  an  closer  inspection.
 Picture  below  is  of  another  tank  of  his.
 
 
                 

 
 Seven  stripe  variety  is  "cyphotilapia  frontosa"  of  which  kigomo  is  one  variant
 
 Six  stripe  is  "cyphoptilapia  species  north  "  of  which  burrundi  is  one  but  the  most  known  variant.
 
 These  two  varieties  should  not  be  mixed.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: Re: The trouble with Zaires in India Reply with quote

 OMG,  Fronts  is  alltogether  a  big  subject  to  learn.  Surprised  
 
 Thanks  Sami  for  your  continuing  effort  on  being  so  informative  about  the  subject.   Clapping
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 Appritiate  your  efforts  sami  to  help  us  understand  Fronts.
 
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 Thanks  for  your  nice  words  rgg  and  laluji
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 Yes  Sami,
 All  your  posts  have  been  very  informative  and  interesting!  I  like  your  love  for  the  beautiful  fish  -  keep  up  the  good  work.
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