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 Hi  all,
 
 I'm  planning  to  start  a  10  feet*10  feet  tank  behind  our  house.  So  could  anyone  guide  me  on  the  following:
 1.)  The  depth  of  the  pond  which  suits  the  fish  and  easy  to  clean
 2.)  Cost  effective  filteration  system
 Is  it  better  if  I  go  for  a  pump  to  remove  and  fill  water  or  is  a  filter  system  required?  I  have  a  1100L  power  head,  so  wanted  to  know  the  best  way  to  use  it,  so  the  whole  process  may  be  cost  effective.  Shishir  Help  me  your  Rs.400  filter  has  impressed  me  a  lot.    :twisted:    :twisted:  
 3.)What  kind  of  material  can  be  used  to  prevent  water  leakage  and    algae.  Can  I  use  small  boulders  which  could  be  cemented  on  the  edge  and  the  bottom  or  is  there  any  other  way  to  create  a  better  surface.  Beta  the  one  which  you  have  would  be  a  lot  easier  could  you  tell  me  the  best  way  to  start???
 4.)  I  am  looking  into  creating  partitions  inside  a  single  pond  for  different  kinds  if  fish.
 What  kind  of  bottom  can  I  use  for  RBs,  Gouramis,  and  large  cichlids.
 5.)  Is  heater  very  much  necessary  to  maintain  a  constant  temperature  as  this  is  an  outdoor  tank.  Will  rain  affect  the  fish  in  any  way  other  than  they  getting  drenched  :lol:    :lol:  
 6.)  If  partitions  are  created  is  it  necessary  to  create  a  different  outlet  for  draining  for  each  partition??
 Any  idea  guys???
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 Looks  like  a  VERY  HUGE    Shocked    setup  to  me  Vijay.....
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 1)  With  regard  to  depth  of  the  pond  3  ft  could  be  fine.
 2)  You  need  an  external  filter.    You  can  rely  on  a  DIY  stuff  with  an  external  pump,filter  floss/media  etc  with  the  turnout  rate  of  atleast  4000  l/hr.
 3)  If  you  think  about  partitioning,  instead  of  that  you  can  go  for  individual  cement  tanks  of  the  dimension  4ftx2ftx3ft.
 
 And  what  kinda  fish  do  you  intend  to  house?
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 HI  Vijay
 
 The  pond  idea  is  real  cool.  Make  it  hapen  man.
 
 As  regards  to  the  filtration,  it  has  to  be  decided  in  terms  of  the  fish  you  propose  to  use.
 
 I  suggest  a  DIY  Trickle  filter  suggested  on  the  Topics  archive  of  IAH.  I  think  it  is  very  neat  and  cost  effective.  
 
 I  think  you  can  use  one  of  your  avbl  PH  of  1100L  on  one  end  and  go  in  for  a  bigger  about  2000  -  2500  litre  turn  out  Powerhead  on  one  end  and  effectively  one  in  the  center,  more  adjusted  towards  the  partitiions.
 
 Plants  must  and  can  be  in  large,  these  are  best  denitrators  you  can  get.  Floating  plants  can  give  good  cover.  If  i  were  you  i  would  cost  a  protective  roofing  to  save  the  rain  and  sunlight.  Algae  are  unavoidable  and  you  have  to  live  with  it  and  make  sense  for  an  outdoor  pond.
 
 As  for  temperatures,  you  being  in  Bangalore  can  consider  heaters  useful.  But  again  for  such  a  large  tank  your  heaters  can  cost  more  than  building  your  tank.  Hardy  fishes  can  cope  with  low  temperatures.  Young  ones  and  juvenilles  can  be  raised  to  bear  with  low  temperatures.  I  think  you  can  take  a  try.
 
 Keep  us  posted  with  developments.
 
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 Thanks  for  the  quick  response  madhu.
 I  would  like  to  go  for  the  one  which  is  cost  effective.  Do  anybody  have  any  idea  about  the  cost  of  the  cement  tank  in  bangalore  which  madhu  has  mentioned?
 An  external  filter  is  a  great  idea  madhu  but  what  would  be  the  cost  of  4000l/hr  power  head?  which  company  manufactures  it?  Can  I  connect  it  to  all  the  partitioned  tanks  using  a  pipe?
 Is  depth  of  3  feet  required??  
 And  what  base  should  I  use  for  the  surface  in  case  of  pond?
 Dont  you  think  the  water  in  cement  tanks  go  too  cold  in  winter  in  bangalore?  Is  this  possible?
 
 The  fish  I  am  looking  into  keeping  after  the  partition  would  be  a  shoal  of  RBs  in  one  partition,  And  a  pair  of  Gaint  Gourami  in  one,    A  pair  of  Vieja  in  one  and  hope  fully  some  more  good  fish  which  I  am  expecting.  But  can  they  sustain  the  lower  temperatures.
 And  if  it  is  a  3  feet  tank  then  in  that  case  wil  it  be  easy  to  clean  the  tank?
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 Hi  Vijay,
 Nice  to  see  that  you  are  going  with  the  pond  project,In  my  opinion  you  will  need  a  1/8  hp  pump  to  turn  around  the  huge  volume  of  water  for  filtration,the  smaller  powerheads  might  just  not  help,the  DIY  filter  can  be  made  by  using  a  closed  bucket  with  filtration  media  of  your  choice.Another  word  of  caution,  cover  the  pond  with  fabricated  steel  mesh  to  avoid  predators
 Wish  you  all  the  best  Very Happy  
 with  regards
 shishir  kamat
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 Thats  a  great  idea  man  I  need  a  cover  as  I  c  a  lot  of  cats  around.
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 I  havent  stuck  any  of  those  boulders,  they  are  just  placed  at  the  bottom  of  the  pond.  I  wouldn't  recommend  depths  of  more  than  2  feet  for  a  pond.  They  provide  easier  maintenance  and  easier  viewing.
 I  used  to  have  Malawi  cichlids  in  my  pond  some  200  of  them.  Looked  really  neat  and  lots  of  activity.  They  breed  like  crazy  too.  If  you  keep  enough  of  each  species  they  won't  hybridise  too.
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 As  of  now  i  donot  use  any  filters  for  my  cement  tank.  I  (Actually  my  father    Smile  change  about    25  %  of  the  water  daily.  Once  in  two  or  three  months  i  do  a  almost  complete  change  of  water.  My  father  uses  the  water  from  the  tank  for  watering  the  plants  so  that  way  there  is  no  wastage  of  water  also.  By  the  way  this  steup  is  not  here  in  bangalore  (it  is  in  kerala)as  a  result  i  am  not  using  any  heaters  for  the  tank.  I  also  have  couple  of  albino  giant  gouramis  along  with  the  oscars  and  they  all  get  along  very  well.i  also  have  some  large  pelco's  along  with  them.  I  have  put  tiles  (one  that  is  used  for  putting  in  the  bathroom)  on  the  bottom  as  well  on  the  sides  of  the  tank  as  a  result  the  algae  growth  is  not  that  much  of  a  problem  for  me.  As  far  as  rain  is  concerned  i  have  not  faced  any  problem  till  now.  I  have  put  a  protective  covering  on  the  top  to  prevent  the  birds  and  snakes  (very  common  in  my  place).  The  cats  will  not  bother  the  fishes  in  the  water  as  the  cats  are  pretty  much  afraid  of  water.  I  pretty  much  agree  to  beta's  idea  as  not  to  increase  the  depth  of  the  tank  by  more  than  3  feet.  Also  i  would  suggest  you  to  keep  a  slope  at  the  bottom  or  even  a  small  hole  (  i  hope  you  understand  )so  that  it  will  be  heplful  while  you  are  cleaning  the  tank.  What  i  would  recommend  is  that  you  build  the  tank  on  top  of  a  flat  ground  rather  than  digging  the  earth  and  then  building  it.  I  concreated  the  bottom  part  and  then  used  bricks  to  build  the  sides  of  the  tank.  Then  i  plastered  the  tank  with  water  proof  cement  and  then  put  light  blue  colour  tiles  on  the  bottom  as  well  as  the  sides.
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sridharp77  wrote:                
As  of  now  i  donot  use  any  filters  for  my  cement  tank.  I  (Actually  my  father    Smile  change  about    25  %  of  the  water  daily.  Once  in  two  or  three  months  i  do  a  almost  complete  change  of  water.  My  father  uses  the  water  from  the  tank  for  watering  the  plants  so  that  way  there  is  no  wastage  of  water  also.  By  the  way  this  steup  is  not  here  in  bangalore  (it  is  in  kerala)as  a  result  i  am  not  using  any  heaters  for  the  tank.  I  also  have  couple  of  albino  giant  gouramis  along  with  the  oscars  and  they  all  get  along  very  well.i  also  have  some  large  pelco's  along  with  them.  I  have  put  tiles  (one  that  is  used  for  putting  in  the  bathroom)  on  the  bottom  as  well  on  the  sides  of  the  tank  as  a  result  the  algae  growth  is  not  that  much  of  a  problem  for  me.  As  far  as  rain  is  concerned  i  have  not  faced  any  problem  till  now.  I  have  put  a  protective  covering  on  the  top  to  prevent  the  birds  and  snakes  (very  common  in  my  place).  The  cats  will  not  bother  the  fishes  in  the  water  as  the  cats  are  pretty  much  afraid  of  water.  I  pretty  much  agree  to  beta's  idea  as  not  to  increase  the  depth  of  the  tank  by  more  than  3  feet.  Also  i  would  suggest  you  to  keep  a  slope  at  the  bottom  or  even  a  small  hole  (  i  hope  you  understand  )so  that  it  will  be  heplful  while  you  are  cleaning  the  tank.  What  i  would  recommend  is  that  you  build  the  tank  on  top  of  a  flat  ground  rather  than  digging  the  earth  and  then  building  it.  I  concreated  the  bottom  part  and  then  used  bricks  to  build  the  sides  of  the  tank.  Then  i  plastered  the  tank  with  water  proof  cement  and  then  put  light  blue  colour  tiles  on  the  bottom  as  well  as  the  sides.                

 
 Great  way  to  go.  Definitely  my  model  for  future  pond.  The  selection  of  fishes  is  also  wonderful.
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 Thanks  guys  for  the  great  ideas.  As  sridhar  told  I  would  be  going  in  for  a  pond  above  ground  level  and  then  will  go  on  bets  idea  of  tiles.  The  depth  will  be  2.5'  and  I  would  be  filling  water  for  only  2  feet.  
 I  would  use  a  mesh  gate  on  top  to  protect  my  fish  from  predateors.
 I  hope  this  gets  going  with  in  this  week
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 My  setup  has  2  Tiger  Shovelnose  catfishes,  4  Quetzal,  2  Red  Devils,  6  Oscars,  1  Jaguar  cichlid,  2  Indian  Knife  Fishes,  3  Sailfin  Plecos.
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 Beta,
 Could  you  tell  about  the  filtration/WC  schedules  you  use?
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madhu_ulysses  wrote:                
Beta,
 Could  you  tell  about  the  filtration/WC  schedules  you  use?                

 
 Yeah  i  forgot  to  ask  the  big  boss    :lol:    :lol:    :lol:
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 WC:  Whenever  the  water  starts  stinking.
 
 Filteration:  2000  l/h  bodyguard  filter
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