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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 Ive  been  to  a  decent  LFS  store  today  who  finally  understand  my  needs  and  have  good  experience  and  knowledge  bout  big  tanks.  im  going  to  get  my  setup  done  by  them.
 
 Im  planning  to  go  for  the  best  filtration  possible.
 thinking  bout  a  6'  x  2'  x  2'  sump  underneath  the  tank  with  4  partitions  and  two  powerheads-  one  for  suction  and  one  to  pump.  suggested  by  the  lfs  guy
 
 can  u  guyz  suggest  what  power  output  will  be  really  good  for  the  filtration  WITHOUT  being  too  NOISY.  i  still  have  to  read  more  bout  this  stuff.   Crying or Very sad  
 
 ONE  QUESTION  -  i  thought  we  have  to  keep  the  filter  running  24x7.  but  the  LFS  guy  says  running  it  for  12  hrs  is  fine.  will  it  be  enough  ?   Surprised  
 
 Im  thinking  to  go  big  and  not  compromise  on  what  i  have  always  wanted.
 ill  got  for  the  8'  x  3'  x  4'  tank.
 
 so  il  get  the  best  non-noisy  filtration  possible  to  reduce  the  cleaning  needs,  stick  to  once  a  week  20%  water  changes  and  sump  media  cleaning  once  in  one  or  2  months  and  if  the  tank  needs  a  thorough  cleanup  ill  pay  the  LFS  guy  to  get  in  there  and  clean  it  up  for  me   Smile   but  how  often  will  that  be..  every  6  months  or  once  a  year  ?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:01 am Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

                                                   
doc_siddhu  wrote  (View  Post):                
Ive  been  to  a  decent  LFS  store  today  who  finally  understand  my  needs  and  have  good  experience  and  knowledge  bout  big  tanks.  im  going  to  get  my  setup  done  by  them.
 
 ONE  QUESTION  -  i  thought  we  have  to  keep  the  filter  running  24x7.  but  the  LFS  guy  says  running  it  for  12  hrs  is  fine.  will  it  be  enough  ?   Surprised  
 
                 

 
 "LFS  guy  says  running  it  for  12  hrs  is  fine".  This  cannot  come  from  a  good,  experienced  and  knowledgeable  LFS  guy..  He  does  not  know  the  basics  of  filtration.  Then  how  can  you  say  that  he  is  having  a  good  experience  and  knowledge  about  big  tanks.
 
 Filters  are  to  be  run  24/7.  Once  you  stop  your  filter,  the  beneficial  bacterias  in  the  media  dies.  So  you  will  have  to  run  your  filter  24/7.  I  hope  you  should  be  knowing  this.  If  not,  please  read  it.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:35 am Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 This  is  a  simple  read  up  of  filtration  and  nuances.....Hope  it  can  give  you  some  insight.
 
 http://petskeepersguide.com/choose-an-aquarium-filter/
 LFS  guy  will  make  a  huge  buck  of  u...if  possible  source  stuff  for  him....give  him  the  labor  only...unless  you  dont  have  time  and  would  just  want  the  ready  stuff  given  to  you.
 As  suggested  by  Shelly  ,  have  you  checked  with  the  civil  engineer....else  you  will  be  in  trouble  if  load  parameters  are  not  right  ?
 Let  us  know.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:37 am Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

                                                   
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 ONE  QUESTION  -  i  thought  we  have  to  keep  the  filter  running  24x7.  but  the  LFS  guy  says  running  it  for  12  hrs  is  fine.  will  it  be  enough  ?   Surprised  
                 

 Hi  Siddhu,
 Please  do  not  go  to  the  same  LFS  who  suggest  you  to  run  the  filter  for  12  hrs  is  fine.  Filter  should  Run  for  24/7.  
 Please  be  careful  about  few  LFS  who  just  want  to  fetch  money  from  you  or  any  hobbyist.  In  IAH  you  will  find  many  good  and  experience  people(Hobbyist)  who  can  help  you  setting  up  your  dream  tank.
 I  can  understand  how  much  excited  you  would  be  at  this  moment  as  you  are  going  to  setup  your  dream  tank.  But  please  be  patience  and  don't  do  things  in  a  hurry.  
 You  can  reach  out  to  few  people  like  Kaya  (IAh  ID),  who  setup  a  2400  gallon  Arowana  pond  some  time  back.  Like  wise  there  are  many  people  from  whom  you  can  take  inputs  but  please  be  careful  from  those  LFS  who  misguide  hobbyist.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 Thnx  for  the  replies  guyz  :)
 
 @  JosyJanes,  Vinod  and  Kuna
 
 Ya  i  did  read  a  lot  on  filtration  and  i  want  to  have  the  best  filtration  i  can  afford.
 I  was  surprised  by  the  LFS  guy  when  he  said  that  too   Smile  
 Frankly  ive  never  seen  any  good  filtration  systems  for  even  big  tanks  so  far  in  hyderabad.  All  the  lfs  guyz  i  talk  to  tell  me,  "  u  dont  need  a  sump.  thats  better  for  marine  tanks.  2  canisters  will  be  enough"  None  of  the  people  ive  talked  to  so  far  dont  think  that  much  filtration  is  necessary  lol   Very Happy  
   at  least  this  guy  has  built  many  sumps  and  marine  tanks  and  has  built  many  big  8  foot  and  10  foot  tanks  earlier.
 
 I  did  always  want  to  have  good  filtration.  but  i  need  some  advice.
 
 UPDATE
 
 1.  ive  talked  to  my  engineer  bout  the  weight  of  the  tank  and  luckily  theres  a  beam  running  under  the  wall  right  next  to  the  place  where  the  aquarium  will  be  placed.  
 So  the  weight  problem  is  cleared   Clapping  
 ive  tried  to  upload  the  pics  of  the  room..  but  am  not  able  to.  everything  loads  slow  on  this  site   Sad   same  thing  with  different  laptops  and  pc
 
 2.  ive  discussed  with  the  lfs  guy,  carpenter,  metal  worker  about  the  build  etc,...
 
 The  tank  size  is  going  to  be  8  foot  L  x  3  foot  W  x  3.5  foot  H
 with  19  mm  toughened  glass.  WILL  this  BE  ENOUGH  ......
 
 the  sump  size  is  6't  L  x  2'  W  x  1.5'  H
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 MY  QUESTION  is  about  the  type  of  filtration  setup.  
         all  over  the  internet  it  shows  the  sump  consists  of  OVERFLOW  chamber/  pipes  which  take  the  excess  water  above  a  certain  level,  which  goes  down  into  the  sump  by  GRAVITY.  then  the  last  chamber  of  the  sump  has  a  SINGLE  powerhead  to  RETURN  /  pump  the  water  back  into  the  tank.  This  setup  has  the  advantage  of  keeping  the  water  in  the  tank  at  the  same  level  always.  But  the  water  flow  at  the  base  of  the  tank  is  very  poor  in  this  setup  as  the  water  is  removed  from  the  surface  and  added  back  to  the  surface.  
 
       My  sump,  as  suggested  by  the  LFS  guy,  will  have  suction  pipes  going  to  the  bottom  of  the  tank  in  a  corner  leading  to  a  POWERHEAD  in  the  sump  which  will  suck  the  water  from  the  tank  into  the  sump.  after  passing  through  partitions  (  total  4  )filled  with  biomedia,  another  POWERHEAD  pumps  the  water  back  to  the  top  of  the  tank.  (hes  not  drilling  any  holes  in  the  glass)  This  system  uses  2  POWERHEADS  instead  of  one  as  in  the  overflow  type.  but  has  good  water  current  circulation  throughout  the  tank.
 Is  this  setup  good  ?  the  lfs  guy  says  he  installs  the  same  kinda  sumps  in  all  his  marine  tanks.   So  im  thinking  to  trust  him  on  this...   Neutral  
 
 BUT  HOW  MUCH  FILTER  CAPACITY  DO  I  NEED   Crying or Very sad  
 
 
 MY  TANK  -   96"  x  36"  x  42"
 Volume=  96"  x  36"  x  42"  x  0.00421  =  611  gallon  ~  2400  Liters
 
 the  internet  says  its  good  to  have  a  mimimum  full  turnover  of  3  times  the  volume  per  hour(  some  tanks  have  upto  10  times   Surprised  )
 
 Filtration  =  3  times  turnover  minimum  =  611  x  3  =  1833  Gallons  per  hr  ~  7000  Lit/  hr
 
 Is  this  mandatory  ?  or  can  i  do  with  less.  i  will  go  for  it  if  it  doesnt  cost  too  much.  BUT  since  i  have  2  powerheads,  does  each  need  to  have  to  the  capacity  of  7000  liter  /  hour  ??   Shocked  
 
 SUMP  --  72"  x  24"  x  18"  =  131  gallon  .  if  half  filled  with  water  ---  66  gallon
 
 And  im  not  sure  how  much  wattage  such  powerheads  will  be.   Sad  
 like  i  said  im  looking  into  mainenance  costs  at  a  max  of  rs  4000  per  month
 
 PLEASE  HELP   Bow
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 thx  Kuna   Smile  
 
 
 my  living  room  
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 this  is  the  part  of  the  living  room  where  im  installing  the  tank  (  the  right  corner)
 
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 close  up.  the  tank  boundaries  marked  in  red.  will  go  6  inches  closer  to  the  wall  than  the  markings  (  thats  for  3.5  feet)
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 Do  a  5000  lt/hr  and  you  still  should  be  ok.....I  am  just  wondering  ,  if  your  room  could  begin  a  lil  nasty  smelling....with  the  sump  filter.
 Just  a  thought...
 This  is  your  living  room  ,  check  for  feasibility  of  canister  filters  of  good  capacity....aesthetic  ,  clean  ,  less  clumsy...probably  a  couple  of  canister  filters  ,  but  might  pinch  your  pocket...but  what  the  heck....aint  it  your  dream  ?
 Here  is  link  to  one....the  eheim's...
 http://www.valuepetsupplies.com/eheim-classic-2262-500g-external-canister-filter-w-double-taps.html?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cse&utm_content=2262380&CAWELAID=972606770&catargetid=1650293829&cadevice=c&cagpspn=pla&aid=450&kw={keyword}&gclid=CPTDmu7u67gCFVFp7AodYEkAJw
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 On  behalf  of  you...  
 Note:  Make  sure  not  to  leave  any  space  while  puttingthe  link  in  between  [img]  and  [/img]  tag.
 
 my  living  room  
 
 
 this  is  the  part  of  the  living  room  where  im  installing  the  tank  (  the  right  corner)  
 
   
 
 close  up.  the  tank  boundaries  marked  in  red.  will  go  6  inches  closer  to  the  wall  than  the  markings  (  thats  for  3.5  feet)  
 
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 +1  to  Vinod
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:40 am Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 @  Kuna  
   thx   Smile  .  yeah  i  did  try  that  way  and  edited  a  few  times.  donno  why  it  dint  work  out  for  me
 
 @  Vinod   Clapping  
 
 i  was  thinking  about  the  sump  because  i  read  its  better  than  the  canister  type  because  of  the  large  amout  of  biomedia  that  can  be  used  and  costs  atleast  2  times  cheaper  AND  increases  the  total  volume  of  water  (more  than  100  gallons  for  mine).
 i  was  worried  about  the  noise.  never  thought  about  the  smell   Shocked  
 Will  there  be  noise  and  smell  if  the  sump  is  covered  by  closed  funiture  stand  built  around  it  ?
 that  canister  filter  u  advised  would  work  grt.  900  gallon  per  hour.  would  need  two  of  them  to  get  3  times  water  turnover  rate.  ill  be  ok  with  spending  upto  the  cost  of  one  such  canister  for  the  filtration.  i  guess  i  can  add  one  smaller  one  or  the  same  one  later?
 
 Hmmm.  Can  u  guyz  plz  give  your  opinion  if  i  should  go  with  the  130  gallon  sump  or  with  external  canister  filtration  ???
 
 regarding  the  aesthetics,  the  entire  build  would  look  like  a  big  piece  of  furniture  (  7  feet  high  and  8+4  feet  long)   to  go  along  with  the  rest  of  the  room.  the  4  feet  space  in  the  corner  beside  the  8  foot  tank  will  be  used  to  setup  a  bar  counter   Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:31 am Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 One  point  I  would  like  to  make  is  don't  use   toughened  glass.  In  case,  for  any  reason  the  glass  breaks..  it  will  shatter  to  pieces.  which  will  result  in  big  flooding  in  the  room  and  there  will  be  no  time  for  rescue  mission.
 So  better  go  for  regular  glass  with  recommended  thickness,  so  in  case  of  failure.  it  will  only  crack  and  will  give  enough  reaction  time..  Good  luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:52 am Post subject: Re: New 8 FOOT 2500 liter tank- NEED HELP Reply with quote

 Ok...closed  furniture  =  moisture  collection,  when  it  is  warm.  Hyderabad  has  some  high  temperatures  if  I  am  not  wrong,  thats  when  evaporation  and  smell  would  be  at  the  highest.
 If  you  dont  close  properly  ,  sump  is  open  for  insects  and  also  some  unwanted  human  handling  (  children  dropping  stuff  )  ...please  think  of  it  too.
 I  am  sorry  that  I  am  only  throwing  bricks  at  u.....just  want  to  ensure  that  your  build  and  dream  will  be  like  a  fairy  tale  come  true.
 I  am  only  suggesting  canister  because  of  the  aesthetics  only  ,  rest  everything  tilts  towards  the  sump.
 
 And  on  the  bar....on  the  lighter  side...hope  no  one  decides  to  add  a  peg  of  their  drink  to  your  sump  ROFL   ,  all  your  fishes  will  be  on  a  high.  Drinking
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