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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:00 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

                                                   
pranavakira  wrote  (View  Post):                
using  this  principle  is  working  great  !!  staghorn  turning  red  and  then  disappearing!!  day  by  day:)  thanks  alot  Smilei  guess  you  have  fire  red  shrimp  too  Smile  with  your  red  cherry  shrimp!                

 
 Glad  to  hear  that.  I  suspected  that  to  be  the  problem.  The  article  you  read  was  correct  about  excessive  lighting  being  the  cause  of  algae  breaks,  but  they  should  have  categorically  specified  that  a  reduction  in  time  is  the  solution  rather  than  intensity.
 
 The  staghorns  and  some  others  should  disappear  in  a  few  weeks  time.  I  have  staghorn  algae  in  the  plants  touching  the  sidewalls  in  my  other  tank  in  the  balcony.  That's  because  of  the  continuous  sunlight  they  get  there.  They  don't  spread  at  all,  and  I  know  that  if  I  just  cover  the  side  with  paper,  they  will  disappear.  But  I  don't  really  mind  them  there  as  long  as  they  are  behaving.
 
 Next,  in  all  the  places  where  you  have  claudophora  and  beard  algae  growing  you  can  cover  them  over  with  java  moss.  The  advanced  java  moss  will  outgrow  them  in  those  places.  I  had  beard  algae  on  the  top  of  the  bogwood  of  this  tank  growing  because  of  the  direct  light  intensity  over  it.  Later  I  simply  put  some  pelia  moss  over  the  beard  algae  and  around  it  and  now  as  you  can  see  the  entire  top  region  of  the  wood  is  covered  with  pelia  moss.  No  sweat.
 Learn  to  perceive  moss  growth  as  an  indicator  to  a  particular  region  where  a  proper  plant  can  flourish.
 
 And  yes,  there  are  quite  a  few  shrimp  in  there  that  have  evolved  into  the  fire  red  grade  -  being  entirely  red  with  the  distinctive  red  limbs.
 
 
                                                 
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Excellent  tank  !!  How  are  you  feeding  them  the  ginseng  ?  It  is  in  powdered  for  or  are  you  feeding  slices  of  the  root  ?                

 
 Thank  you  very  much!
 
 I  feed  them  Ginseng  tablets.
 Powder  tends  to  float  on  water  and  spread  unevenly  around  the  tank.  The  slices  of  root  are  hard  and  require  a  lot  of  boiling  to  be  made  soft,  and  in  the  process  most  of  the  nutrition  will  transfer  into  the  water.
 The  tablets  on  the  other  hand  retains  all  the  nutrition,  can  be  readily  consumed  by  the  fish  and  shrimp,  and  they  sink  and  stay  in  one  area  only  (like  algae  wafer).  Checks  all  the  points  on  the  list.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Superbo.....  Clapping  ....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Hi  Chetan!
      Definitely  appreciate  your  patience  and  would  like  to  congratulate  you  on  your  tank.  I  just  needed  to  know  if  you  faced  a  lot  brown  smut  that  settles  on  the  leaves  and  drift   wood  and  what  measures  have  you  taken  to  reduce  that.  Your  valuable  inputs  would  be  beneficial.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Thats  a  really  good  information  that  you  have  provided..  (Creating  a  siesta  period)..   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Chetan!  Definitely  appreciate  your  patience  and  would  like  to  congratulate  you  on  your  tank.  I  just  needed  to  know  if  you  faced  a  lot  brown  smut  that  settles  on  the  leaves  and  drift   wood  and  what  measures  have  you  taken  to  reduce  that.  Your  valuable  inputs  would  be  beneficial.                

 
 Thanks  man!
 Hmmm  brown  smut  eh?  ...  I  have  really  not  faced  this  problem  and  nor  do  I  know  anything  about  it,  so  it  would  be  wrong  for  me  to  comment  on  it.  Maybe  you  can  post  it  as  a  new  thread  with  some  pics.  Somebody  should  be  able  to  help  you  out  that  way.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 this  is  inspiring...!!  very  beautiful  indeed!
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 just  splendid  ...  Thumb Up
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 great  looks  lush
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 would  love  to  see  shrimp  fries  pics?  in  your  aquarium  you  can  use  magnifying  glass  like   i  did  to  get  better  shoot!!  how  Marsiella  doing??  update  pics  soon!!  waiting  for  some  greenery!!  of  your  Jungle!!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  positive  comments  guys!  kudos!
 
 I've  been  a  bit  lazy  on  getting  my  next  journal  entry  together.  But  am  getting  to  it.  Already  have  series  of  topics  in  my  mind.  Will  get  to  posting  each  one  subsequently.
 
 The  next  topic  is  about  the  social  hierarchy  features  I've  observed  in  my  tank  residents.  Have  to  just  crop  and  resize  some  pics  of  the  tank  to  make  topic  interesting.  Should  be  able  to  put  it  up  soon.  Maybe  some  of  you  will  like  it.
 
 @pranav
 'sup  bro!  I  had  taken  one  pic  of  a  shrimp  fry.  Will  put  it  up  along  with  others  I  planned  on.  Marsilea  are  doing  ok.  They  of  course  not  growing  so  rapidly  cos  they  are  by  default  slow  growers.  New  leaves  are  coming  out,  but  it's  nowhere  close  to  a  carpet  look.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Chetan
 Each  pic  makes  it  eager  for  me  to  check  your  tank  out.  
 any  time  I  get  our  of  my  schedules  I  will  surely  make  it  to  your  place.
 Just  Amazing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 DOMINANCE  HIERARCHY:  Identifying  the  Alpha  fish  in  the  Cardinal  Tetra  School
 
 The  animal  society  is  well  known  for  its  dominance  hierarchy.  This  is  the  social  structure  order  followed  within  a  group  or  clan,  with  individuals  given  ranks  just  like  in  the  army.  The  top  rank  belongs  to  the  alpha,  and  is  followed  by  ranks  like  beta,  subordinate,  and  omega  in  descending  order  of  power.
 
 Wikipedia  quote:
 Dominance  hierarchies  occur  in  most  social  animal  species  that  normally  live  in  groups,  including  primates.  Dominance  hierarchies  have  been  extensively  studied  in  fish,  birds,  and  mammals.  Dominance  hierarchies  can  be  simple  linear  structures,  which  often  arise  from  the  physical  differences  among  individuals  in  a  group  in  relation  to  their  access  to  resources.
 
 The  physical  difference  often  stands  out  in  the  individual(s)  holding  the  alpha  rank  in  a  hierarchy.  And  it  can  be  observed  in  aquarium  fish  as  well.  The  physical  difference  comes  out  most  successfully  when  the  school  has  been  placed  in  a  tank  in  their  juvenile  age.  That’s  why  I  would  always  recommend  to  introduce  young  fish  in  a  tank,  and  to  refrain  from  introducing  adult  fish.  This  method  will  create  a  stable  social  order,  resulting  in  healthy  fish  with  low  stress  levels  and  a  long  life.
 
 However  if  adult  fish  are  introduced  in  a  tank,  they  will  lose  their  pre-existing  social  ranks  and  the  structure  has  to  be  reformed.  This  introduces  stress  on  various  levels  mainly  due  to  the  jarring  nature  of  the  transition,  unlike  in  the  wild  where  rank  promotions/demotions  are  smooth.  The  only  exception  is  in  species  like  shrimp  which  have  high  mortality  in  nature.  These  species  adapt  very  quickly  to  sudden  change  in  social  ranks.
 
 Now  incidentally  the  cardinal  tetras  in  my  tank  have  been  together  since  their  childhood.  And  so  within  a  few  months  the  social  order  was  formed  and  the  dominant  matriarch  fish  could  be  made  out.  The  alpha  female  fish  has  developed  additional  unique  coloration.  I  found  it  to  be  very  interesting.  Though  I  have  not  observed  any  unique  colorations  in  the  males  as  yet.
 
 It  wasn’t  easy  to  get  a  good  picture  since  they  never  stay  still  near  the  camera.  But  after  a  lot  of  effort  I  finally  got  a  few  good  ones.  So  here  they  are.  Enjoy!  ...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Dwarf  Shrimp  alpha  females  also  exhibit  dominance  markings.  The  marking  is  a  conspicuous  streak  running  down  their  back,  like  a  Mohawk.  The  colour  of  this  streak  is  a  different  shade  of  the  shrimp’s  colour.  In  Red  Cherry  Shrimps  the  streak  is  more  visible  in  lower  grade  females.  In  high  grade  RCS  (like  Fire  Reds),  because  the  overall  body  is  so  heavily  coloured,  it  is  difficult  to  make  out  the  streak;  however  on  keenly  observing  it  can  be  seen.  This  also  brings  about  the  point  that  the  grade  of  a  shrimp  is  independent  of  its  social  rank;  that  is,  a  low  grade  Sakura  RCS  maybe  at  a  higher  rank  than  a  Fire  Red  RCS  within  the  social  pyramid.
 
 The  common  Indian  dwarf  shrimp  also  display  these  dominance  markings.
 
 Here  is  a  picture  I  took  a  long  time  back  of  an  alpha  female  RCS…
 
 
 
 You  must  agree  that  this  phenomenon  is  just  one  of  the  many  things  that  make  the  aquarium  hobby  so  exciting.
 
 If  you  have  any  inputs  you  would  like  to  add  to  this,  then  feel  free  to  post  a  reply.
 
 Cheers!
 
 P.S.  did  the  ninja  disguise  itself  well  or  what?!  Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 @Chetan  :=>I  Agree  with  the  theory  of  dominance  !!  one  thing  that  i  noted  in  my  scape  was  the  Indian  Rainbow  shrimp  are  the  one  which  has  reproduced  well  !!  these  guys  whr  the  once  i  introduced  first!!  and   had  been  successful  with  them  even  in  worst  condition!!  they  aren't  scared  of  anything  be  it  a  Fish  ,  Assassin  Snail  ,  SAE  they  just  rule  the  tank!!   my  RCS  are  really  weakling  i  guess!!  they  are  scared  of  everything  !!   IRS  are  the  once  which   respond  first  ,then  sae  and  assasin  snail  ,  nerite  snail,  RCS  afterwards!!  so  i  guess  even  population   and  starters(first  introduced  fish)  plays  a  role  in  theory  of  dominance  .     
 
 
 so  anything  u  want  to  go  really  good  with
 
 introduce  them  well!!  
 
 
 
 posting  a  video  of  my  shrimp  taking  thr  spinach!!  
 u  can  see  IRS  eating  while  RCS  appearing  rarely!!  
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: It's A Jungle Out There (NonCO2 Planted Shrimp) *31Mar:P Reply with quote

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