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 Here's  a  "DIY"  chiller...  text  is  in  Hebrew  but  you  should  get  it  from  the  pics...
 
 http://www.freshreef.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4219&PN=5
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 Thanks  baj  and  retro  for  the  info  and  help,
 But  this  is  my  qurantine  tank  and  the  rocks  are  not  even  placed  properly  -  I'm  in  the  process  of  up-grading  to  a  8'  x  2'  x  2'  (non  coral  Chuckle  )reef  I  do  have  a  wave-maker  and  a  power  filter  in  the  tank  but  at  present  the  ext.  canister  filter  that  I  used  has  started  leaking  and  the  power  head  of  the  wave  maker  is  put  to  use  for  a  DIY  filter.  You  can't  see  the  p.  head  due  to  obvious  reasons  -  it  is  behind  the  rocks!  I  also  have  a  Bio-chemical  filter  which  is  a  top  filter  and  is  seen  in  the  photo.(I'm  not  investing  in  a  filter  at  present  as  in  my  new  tank  I'm  planning  a  sump  filter  along  with  an  external  power  skimmer,  a  calcium  reactor  and  a  chiller  (presently    Knock  my  brains  on  the  DIY  project  will  keep  you  guys  posted!)
 Nice  zooanthids.  How  come  they  aren't  covered  under  the  ban?  -  Yes  sir,  in  my  post  I  mentioned  that  in  my  tank  I  don't  have  a  single  banned  CORAL  as  I  told  you  this  is  a  quarantine  tank.  I'm  obliging  a  friend  by  keeping  them  in  till  he  is  able  to  find  someone  to  house  his  lunar  wrasse  and  the  sailfin  tang!  (in  doing  a  favour  -  I  could  manage  to  get  some  colonise  my  rocks  as  you  can  see  in  the  attached  snaps  Chuckle  )
 
 
 
 
 as  you  can  see  in  the  photo  above  I  could  manage  to  get  a  culture  for  me  on  a  rock  just  below  the  outlet  pipe  of  my  filter!  And  yes  it  is  my  cultured  right  to  have  it  Thumbs Up  
 Are  you  sure  retro  that  this  particular  species  of  zooanthids  is  banned?
 When  my  friend  bought  it  -  he  was  told  it  is  legal!
 do  keep  your  guns  roaring!
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 Hi  Rahul,
 
 
                                                 
retro_gk  wrote:                
Here's  a  "DIY"  chiller...  text  is  in  Hebrew  but  you  should  get  it  from  the  pics...
 
 http://www.freshreef.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4219&PN=5                

 
 Those  pics  are  from  KL's  site,  killies.com.  Please  see  http://www.killies.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1069&highlight=chiller  for  the  English  version.
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 Thanks  Retro  and  Ravi,
 For  the  interesting  information  -  I  should  be  able  to  get  some  ideas  from  the  same  and  figure-out  something  for  myself!
 In  the  link  you  sent  me  killies.com  -  the  first  post  says  that  the  guy  has  a  DIY  project  for  a  co2  I  quote  -  "it  was  regarded  as  the  Rolls  Royce  of  all  CO2  systems.  Till  this  day,  I'm  still  using  that  CO2  system.  It  works  perfectly  and  the  fine-tuning  valve  is  so  good  I  never  have  to  tweak  it.  "  Do  you  guys  have  any  idea  about  it?  If  yes  can  you  post  me  the  link?
 I  need  to  work-out  the  plan  for  my  calcium  reactor.
 Thanks  in  anticipation,
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 Interesting  how  info  gets  recycled  all  over  the  web  Very Happy
 
 @Aquascape,  my  "banned"  remark  was  because  Zooanthids  are  soft-bodied  corals  (technically  polyps  as  you  need  the  coralline  skeleton  to  define  a  coral).  It  is  great  news  if  the  authorities  don't  have  them  in  their  sights  because  you  can  have  a  coral  reef  full  of  zooanthids    Thumb Up
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 Nice  tank  aquascapes.  How  big  did  u  say  was  your  tank?
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 Sorry  retro  but,  I  don't  have  a  clue  myself  on  the  ban  so  if  any  one  of  you  can  shed  some  light  on  it  -  I'll  be  obliged!
 as  my  plan  was  something  similar  to  what  you  said  "have  a  coral  reef  full  of  zooanthids"  Till  you  pointed  out  the  subject  of  zooanthids  being  banned!
 Apurva  the  tank  you  see  in  the  picture  was  a  only  fish  marine  tank  full  of  artificial  corals  which  I  had  bought  from  Bangkok  -  After  a  while  the  corals  started  fading  and  the  colour  flakes  started  to  freely  swim  around  in  the  tank  -  I  wanted  to  go  in  for  a  big  (non-coral)  reef  and  so  started  collecting  interesting  rocks  and  live  rocks  when,  I  suddenly  realised  that  none  of  the  rocks  that  came  to  me  were  properly  seeded  so,  I  needed  a  tank  to  condition  the  live  rocks  and  a  tank  which  could  be  used  as  a  quarantine  tank  for  the  live  stock  as-well!  (kind  of  two  in  one    Thumb Up  !)
 I  converted  this  48"  x  18"  x  18"  tank  into  a  would-be  reef  tank!  and  had  to  part  with  my  old  fish  Sad    (no  regrets  there  but  I  only  miss  my  lion-fish!)


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 U  seem  to  be  a  dedicated  hobbist!  Anywyas  PM  me  your  cell  number  we  will  talk  sometime!  good  luck
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 how  much  time  does  newly  acquired  zooanthids  take  to  get  set?
 What  is  the  normal  care  that  has  to  be  taken  before  the  zooanthids  open?  
 why  do  they  take  so  long  to  open?
 Please  see  the  photo  below  and  help
 
 Up-graded  my  reef  yesterday  -  Partial  water  change  and  re-arrangement  of  the  rocks!
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 Zooanthids  like  the  one  you  have  in  the  pic,  are  pretty  sensitive  to  water  conditions.  Kept  a  few  of  them  once.  Need  good  lighting,  clear  water  with  the  right  parameters,  and  temperatures  between  22  and  28  degrees  C.
 
 They  are  sensitive  to  pH  changes,  and  also  high  nitrite  levels.
 
 They  look  lovely  when  they  open  up,  and  they  are  fully  open  in  the  evenings,  considering  the  fat  that  you  have  your  lights  on  from  10AM.
 
 They  are  very  happy  with  biweekly  feedings  of  planktonic  feed.  I  used  to  use  a  product  that  was  labelled  coral  feed  or  something!
 
 HTH!
 
 About  the  temperatures,  try  keeping  planted  setups,  or  marine  setups  in  India,  with  Metal  Halides,  and  then  look  at  the  temperature  of  water  in  summer!  Anything  above  30  in  a  planted  of  marine  setup,  I  wouldnt    recommend  surely,  as  fishes  arent  very  happy  in  that  range!
 
 Another  thing  I  would  like  to  add,  is  that  ,  if  some  LFS  person  told  you  that  something  is  legal,  that  doesnt  make  it  legal!  Its  high  time  we  got  in  touch  with  authorities,  and  looked  up  serious  government  regulatory  documentation  for  some  clear  and  concise  info  on  whats  allowed,  and  whats  not!  We  should  then  discus  legality  issues!  
 
 And,  in  my  opinion,  in  response  to  the  topic  of  this  thread,  
 
 "Poor  Men  dont  keep  reef!"
 
 or  [corollary]
 
 "Reef  aint  for  poor  men".
 
 No  offence  meant  to  anyone!  Sorry  if  I  sounded  rude  in  any  part  of  this  post!
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 I've  seen  colonies  of  zooanthids  establish  themselves,  i.e.  show  new  polyp  growth,  in  a  matter  of  weeks.
 
 Re.  them  opening  up,  a  healthy  colony  should  open  up  within  days  of  being  placed  in  your  tank.
 
 They  do  require  high  light  levels,  so  you  might  want  to  reposition  them  higher  up  the  tank.
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 Its  high  time  we  got  in  touch  with  authorities,  and  looked  up  serious  government  regulatory  documentation  for  some  clear  and  concise  info  on  whats  allowed,  and  whats  not!  We  should  then  discus  legality  issues!  
 Agreed  Nytyn  the  point  of  putting  up  the  matter  here  is  for  the  same  reason  suppose  someone  has  a  clue  and  can  help!
 
 Reef  aint  for  poor  men
 The  point  here  should  not  be  a  literal  meaning  of  the  term  -  But,  a  reef  tank  which  is  made  in  the  most  economical  manner  with  things  which  a  lay-man  can  acquire  easily  and  not  just  fancy  equiptment  and  gadgetary  which  is  expensive  -  It  is  like  you  guys  comming  up  with  a  project  of  DIY  Co2  and  being  successful!
 I'm  sure  many  hobbyist  in  India  and  abroad  have  accepted  the  idea  and  saved  a  lot  of  money!  Then  why  can't  we  do  something  for  the  reefers  or  marines?
 a  product  that  was  labelled  coral  feed  or  something!-  A  name  could  help!  -  I  feed  a  range  of  frozen  feeds  from  HIKARI
 I  don't  get  hurt  by  frank  opinions  -  so  don't  worry  You  have  been  a  lot  of  help  to  many  hobbyists  by  your  experience  -  thanks!
 
 Retro  -  thanks  for  the  tips!
 yes  they  are  in  a  zero  nitrite  zone  and  with  high  light  so  will  hope  to  see  them  open  soon!
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 Guys,  I  would  like  to  publicly  thank  Nytyn  for  his  generosity!
 He  just  couriered  me  two  150W  MH  tubes  which  are  barely  used  at  about  half  the  cost!  Thumbs Up  
 Thank  you  Nytyn  -  God  Bless  YOU!
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 Hey  Nytyn  thats  a  great  gesture.    Clapping
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 Hi,
 
       As  per  wild  life  protection  act  1972  the  banned  corals(coelenterates)are,1)Reef  building  coral(all  scleractinians)2)black  coral(all  antipatherians)3)organ  pipe  coral(Tubipora  musica)4)Fire  coral(all  millipora  sp.)5)Sea  fan(all  gorgonians)
 
 Part  4B      Mollusca.
 
                   1)Cassis  cornuta  2)  Charonia  tritonis  3)Conus  milneedwardsi  4)Cypreacassis  rufa  5)Hippopus  hippopus  6)Nautilus  pompilicius  7)Tridacna  maxima  8)Tridacna  squamosa  9)tudicla  spirillus
 
 Part  4C  Echinodermata
 
                       Sea  cucumber  (all  holothurians)&Sea  horse
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