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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 someone  suggested  that  di-ammonium  phosphate  can  used  used  in  trace  amounts  in  a  planted  aquarium?  is  this  true?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 Dear  Kunal
 You  mean   (NH4)2HPO4  ?  But  its  a  heavy  manure  and  may  be  suited  for  thick  planted  (large  aquatic  plants)  substrate  booster.  I'm  not  sure???  Experts  seeking  yours  advise.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 well  imo  NH4  is  an   is  compound  of  ammonia  which  is  not  very  good  for  fishes.untill  you  are  going  for  plant  only  tank  i  wont  suggest  you  to  use  this.for  phosphate  you  can  use  KH2P04.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 I  am  using  diammonium  phosphate  in  my  planted  tank,  and  the  results  are  outstanding.  I  have  thick  sand  substrate.  No  macro  dosing,  micro  dosing  3  times  a  week.  The  substrate  is  3  inches  thick.  Diammonium  phosphate  has  been  put  below  the  substrate  so  that  it  is  out  of  reach  of  fishes.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  am  using  diammonium  phosphate  in  my  planted  tank,  and  the  results  are  outstanding.  I  have  thick  sand  substrate.  No  macro  dosing,  micro  dosing  3  times  a  week.  The  substrate  is  3  inches  thick.  Diammonium  phosphate  has  been  put  below  the  substrate  so  that  it  is  out  of  reach  of  fishes.                

 
 well  IMO  it  is  just  asking  for  a  trouble.  you  cant  keep  ammonia  away  from  water.i  am  saying  this  as  i  deals  in  ammonia(anhydrous  as  well  as  liquor).and  excess  of  phosphate  will  invites  all  sort  of  algaes.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

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 It  is  about  knowing  the  exact  quantity  to  be  used.  Generally,  all  commercial  substrates  have  DAP.  A  single  grain  of  DAP  takes  one  month  to  dissolve.  So  the  slow  dissolution  never  releases  excess  gas.  Moreover,  I  am  using  it  without  any  trouble.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

                                                   
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@abhi_123
 It  is  about  knowing  the  exact  quantity  to  be  used.  Generally,  all  commercial  substrates  have  DAP.  A  single  grain  of  DAP  takes  one  month  to  dissolve.  So  the  slow  dissolution  never  releases  excess  gas.  Moreover,  I  am  using  it  without  any  trouble.                

 
 well  if  you  are  willing  to  use  then  its  ok  but  it  is  not  advisable  to  use  agricultural  fertilizers  in  planted  aquaria  because  aquarium  plants  and  the  one  which  grows  on  land  are  very  different.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

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 Can  you  please  elaborate  what  is  the  difference  between  the  aquatic  and  non  aquatic  plants.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Can  you  please  elaborate  what  is  the  difference  between  the  aquatic  and  non  aquatic  plants.                

 
 well  the  only  thing  which  i  know  is  that  with  aquatic  plant  their  is  always  a  danger  of  algae  any  mistake  committed  may  god  bless  you  which  is  not  with  in  the  case  of  terristarial(sorry  for  wrong  spelling)  plants  and  secondly  you  have  to  consider  that  you  are  also  having  fishes  with  them  and  you  have  provide  them  also  a  healthy  envoirment  so  that  they  can  also  live  happily.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 This  discussion  sounds  interesting     Smile  
 
 if  you  could  give  more  detail  on  how  you  use  DAP?  and  also  if  you  couuld  share  some  pictures  of   your  tank
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 Yes,  Manu,  I  am  quite  interested  in  seeing  the  results  you  have  got  with  DAP.  Post  some  pics?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 Here  are  few  pics  of  my  new  tank.  It  is  only  6  inches  broad,  but  4  ft  long  ang  1.5  ft  tall.  Its  been  sentup  one  month  ago.  Sorry  for  the  dim  pics.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 Where  I  installed  the  tank,  I  places  1/2  inch  of  heavy  sand,  then  DAP  in  trace(one  grain  per  3"x3"  area),  and  then  3  inches  of  heavy  of  sand  again.  Thereafter,  I  placed  the  plants  after  filling  the  tank.  After  4  days,  I  did  a  100%  water  change.  DAP  lasts  for  1  month  approximately.  To  inject  it  again  after  a  month,  I'll  use  a  thin  plastc  pipe  or  a  papaya  leaf  stick,  push  it  in  the  sand  deep  inside,  and  add  grains  of  DAP.  After  a  day,  50%  water  change.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 Using  an  ammonium  compound  in  aquarium  might  not  be  a  very  good  idea.
 As  you  say  that  your  tank  is  only  month  old,  how  can  you  estlablish  that  it  is  working,  plants  store  nutrients  when  we  get  them  from  nursuries/LFS,  in  the  initial  period  they  use  their  stored  nutrients,  it  is  only  after  first  2-3  months  that  deficiences  start  to  appear.
 Further  the  accidental  release  of  ammonia  in  tank  is  very  high,  espically  when  you  uprrot  the  plants.
 Pls  take  care.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Di-ammonium phosphate? Reply with quote

 Sandeep  is  right  especially  in  regard  to  the  plants.
 We  spend  time  money  and  effort  to  remove  what  a  few  others  want  to  add.   
 A  sure  shot  recipe  for  pickled  fish.  Chuckle
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