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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: Beef Heart?(edited) Reply with quote

 Bcz  i  have  a  beef  fellow  hired  and  he  gives  me  beef  regularly  for  my  dane.
 But  now  for  my  DISCUSES  if  i  tell  him  to  give  me  BH  how  can  i  differentiate  BEEF  MEAT  and  BEEF  HEART?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Beef Heart?(edited) Reply with quote

 Get  the  whole  thing,  it  will  look  like  a  heart.  ;-)
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 keep  a  few  things  in  mind  when  you  feed  beef  heart  
 don't  feed  beef  heart  too  often  as  it  spoils  the  water  very  quick  and  also  is  very  high  fat  content  and  all  fish  will  not  be  able  to  digest  beef  heart  well  
 always  feed  beef  heart  before  a  water  change  or  so  
 do  not  leave  any  uneaten  BH  in  the  tank
 and  do  check  out  in  some  discuss  specific  forum  about  feeding  BH  to  discus
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Beef Heart?(edited) Reply with quote

                                                   
Preeths  wrote  (View  Post):                

 Get  the  whole  thing,  it  will  look  like  a  heart.  ;-)
                 

 
 Best  thing  to  do.  Get  the  whole  thing,  and  trim  it  mercilessly,  removing  all  fat  you  can  see.  All  thats  white  is  fat!
 
 
                                                 
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 keep  a  few  things  in  mind  when  you  feed  beef  heart  
 don't  feed  beef  heart  too  often  as  it  spoils  the  water  very  quick  
                 

 
 Feed  beef  heart  liberally  to  your  fishes.  Make  sure  you  clean  up  the  uneaten  food  after  about  15  or  20  minutes.  This  you  can  do  with  a  small  hose,  and  siphon  out  the  remains.  You  would  probably  take  out  half  to  one  bucket  of  water.  You  will  have  to  do  daily  water  changes  if  you  are  feeding  beefheart.
 
 
                                                 
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 and  also  is  very  high  fat  content  and  all  fish  will  not  be  able  to  digest  beef  heart  well  
                 

 
 I  disagree.  The  main  advantage  of  using  beefheart  is  that  its  fat  free.  The  heart  is  used,  as  its  mainly  muscle,  and  very  less  fat,  except  for  the  fat  deposits  around  it.  You  should  trim  the  fat  as  much  as  possible,  and  ensure  you  have  only  lean  meat.  
 
 Dont  grind  the  beefheart,  unless  you  are  feeding  it  to  discus  babies.  Grate  it,  using  a  grater  that  you  would  use  for  carrots.  What  I  do  is,  I  get  the  heart,  trim  it,  wash  it  nicely  removing  all  blood,  and  then  chuck  it  in  the  freezer.  Its  easier  to  grate  when  its  frozen,  and  hard  as  stone.  In  this  you  could  mix  vitamins[a  multi  vitamin  tab,  crushed  to  a  fine  powder  ],  garlic[freshly  ground  garlic],  prawns[ground  to  a  paste],  green  peas[ground  to  a  paste],  a  small  piece  of  banana[mashed  up  finely],  carrot[ground  to  a  fine  paste],  calcium[powdered  fine,  spirulina[use  the  powder  thats  inside  the  capsule,  or  pure  spirulina  powder],  and  astaxanthin,  if  you  are  feeding  to  red  or  red  based  fishes.  You  could  also  set  apart  a  little  bit,  so  you  could  mix  in  some  metrogyl,  and  use  it  as  deworming  feed.  Its  a  good  thing  to  deworm  your  discus  once  in  90  days.
 
 If  you  are  wondering  why  so  many  ingredients,  garlic  for  immunity/resistance  against  internal  parasites,  and  to  stimulate  the  appetite,  banana  for  a  little  laxative  action,  so  constipation  is  prevented,  prawns  for  the  beta  carotene  content  in  them,  thats  got  anti  oxidant  properties  as  well  as  natural  red  color  enhancer,  calcium  for  bone  development,  and  spirulina  for  immunity  development.  
 
 This  is  a  messy  operation,  best  carried  out  when  the  folks  are  out  of  town.   Chuckle  
 
 Hope  that  helps!  I  would  be  glad  to  help  you  if  you  have  questions  on  that!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Beef Heart?(edited) Reply with quote

                                                   
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 and  also  is  very  high  fat  content  and  all  fish  will  not  be  able  to  digest  beef  heart  well  
                 

 
 I  disagree.  The  main  advantage  of  using  beefheart  is  that  its  fat  free.  The  heart  is  used,  as  its  mainly  muscle,  and  very  less  fat,  except  for  the  fat  deposits  around  it.  You  should  trim  the  fat  as  much  as  possible,  and  ensure  you  have  only  lean  meat.  
 
                 

 i  spoke  in  context  with  the  other  foods  we  consider  for  our  fish  
 
 other  than  that  a  nice  write  up   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Beef Heart?(edited) Reply with quote

                                                   
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don't  feed  beef  heart  too  often  as  it  spoils  the  water  very  quick  and  also  is  very  high  fat  content                

 Actual  BH  tissues  are  fat  free,  I  hope  you  want  to  suggest  its  more  of  Protein  enriched  rather  than  fat.
 
 
 
                                                 
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other  than  that  a  nice  write  up   Thumb Up                

 Nitin  has  always  been  innovative  with  his  methods  of  fishkeeping  and  I'm  sure  you  will  benefit  from  it  rather  than  suffering.  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Beef Heart?(edited) Reply with quote

 Nicely  written  Nytyn,
 
 Esp.  I  think  the  best  way  is  what  you  mentioned:
 
 "  Dont  grind  the  beefheart,  unless  you  are  feeding  it  to  discus  babies.  Grate  it,  using  a  grater  that  you  would  use  for  carrots.  What  I  do  is,  I  get  the  heart,  trim  it,  wash  it  nicely  removing  all  blood,  and  then  chuck  it  in  the  freezer.  Its  easier  to  grate  when  its  frozen,  and  hard  as  stone.  "
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"  Dont  grind  the  beefheart,  unless  you  are  feeding  it  to  discus  babies.  Grate  it,  using  a  grater  that  you  would  use  for  carrots.  What  I  do  is,  I  get  the  heart,  trim  it,  wash  it  nicely  removing  all  blood,  and  then  chuck  it  in  the  freezer.  Its  easier  to  grate  when  its  frozen,  and  hard  as  stone.  "                

 
 Ritesh  are  you  feeding   plain  beef  Heart   ?  
 
 
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 ..Yes  Shiva,  
 only  plain  Beef  Heart,  I  have  stopped  making  a  mix  for  the  fish  as  I  found  it  polutes  the  water  too  much.  I  add  Bcomplex  and  Vitamin  C  directly  to  water  as  they  are  water  soluable,  this  is  only  for  the  BB  tank  with  the  semi  adults.  
 
 I  did  used  to  make  the  mix,  with  Spinich,  garlic  etc  etc  but  now  if  I  ever  do  that  it  will  only  be  for  fry,  after  BBS,  as  thats  when  they  need  finly  grated  food.  
 
 My  planted  tank  gets  pure  Beef  Heart  and  Tetra  Bits  only.
 
 Their  other  feed  is  Tetra  Bits  and  Hikari.
 
 But  I  am  no  where  close  to  an  expert  like  you,  
 so  any  recommendations  would  be  useful.
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I  add  Bcomplex  and  Vitamin  C  directly  to  water  as  they  are  water  soluable,  this  is  only  for  the  BB  tank  with  the  semi  adults.                  

 
 How  much  and  how  do  you  add  these  Vitamins  in  to  the  water  ?  Do  this  system   really  works  for  your  discus  ?  
 
 
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 The  following  is  from  a  conversation  with  Andrew  Soh  here  on  one  of  the  IAH  threads  sometime  back  after  which  I  started  doing  this.
 
 
   Get  B-complex  (human  grade  with  no  syrup  or  sugar)  and  add  120mg  to  100  litres  of  water.  If  you  are  making  daily  water  change....dose  on  alternate  day.  Try  to  dissolve  the  B-complex  before  pouring  and  must  be  water  soluble.
 
 
 Are  you  saying  that  I  can  simply  add  B-Complex  mixed  in  water  to  the  BB  tank  and  it  will  have  benefit?
 I  am  asking  this  as  I  used  to  add  it  to  my  BHM,  but  now  a  days  my  BHM  is  nothing  more  than  Pure  Beef  simply  grated,  and  I  give  them  Tetra  Bits,  Hikari  Discus  pellets  for  Vitamins,  is  this  ok  ?  or  is  it  necessary  to  add  mutli-Vitamins  ?
 

 
 Thats  why  if  I  can  simply  add  B-Complex  to  my  tank  it  would  be  much  easier  for  me.
 
 Please  comment.
 
 
 Sugar-based  or  glucose-based  will  cause  bacteria  proliferation...and  your  water  will  become  cloudy  and  finally  strings  of  silk  will  develop...and  may  choke  and  kill  you  discus.
 
 Therefore  if  it  is  unavoidable  to  use  something  with  sugar-based,  you  must  at  least  take  a  wool  and  form  into  a  6  inches  ball  and  tie  the  aeration  stone  with  it  so  that  the  slimy  strings  of  bacteria  will  stick  to  the  wool  making  the  water  less  contaminated  with  bacteria.
 
 Anyway,  get  it  from  you  vet  or  your  best  friend  doctor....they  have  small  little  ones.
 
 Make  sure  the  total  ingredient  is  120mg  and  not  120mg  total  weigh  (read  the  label)
 No  sugar,  no  problem...
 
 Hope  that  information  helps,
 
 ****If  you  can  add  sugar  or  glucose  free  B  complex...in  water....you  may  not  need  to  add  in  feed....unless  your  discus  is  like  starved  for  a  long  time...so  double  boosting  is  needed.
 
 Certain  vitamins  are  gone  after  cooking  or  dry  feed  processing.(maybe  they  have  special  way  of  processing...I  don't  know)..that  is  my  view  so  adding  a  little  extra  in  vitamin  will  see  your  discus  growing  faster........believe  me  ....try.
 
 Andrew  Cheer  (I  like  the  smilies..he!he!)
 
 Andrew  Soh
 'Discus,  The  Naked  Truth'
 
 Link  to  the  original  thread
 
 Well  how  good  or  bad  it  is  working  for  me,  really  Shiva  I  have  not  been  focused  on  my  hobby  lately,  and  nor  do  I  have  the  resources  to  measure  which  method  is  better  I  just  believe  this  is  cleaner,  for  the  kitchen  and  for  my  tank.  And  since  I  dont  have  any  fry  at  the  moment.
 
 Hope  this  helps.  Thanks  a  lot.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Beef Heart?(edited) Reply with quote

 Ritesh  ,
 
 I  still  think  feeding  B  Complex  or  vitamins  along  with  BH  is  better  option  that  putting  them  in  water  directly   .  It  is  very  difficult   to  measure  120  mg  every  day  and  to  put  correct  dosage  may  be  very  difficult  everyday  .  Sugar  based  B-  Complex  have  adverse  effect  on  discus  .  More  Vitamins  then  required  also  creates  problem  to  discus  sometimes  .
 
 Yes  If  Discus  is  not  eating  or  not  well  and  stunted  ,  It  works  well  .   
 
 
 Thanks
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