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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Giant Gourami Reply with quote

 What  is  the  price  range  for  these  ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Giant Gourami Reply with quote

 Wow!!  Sounds  wicked  Sid   Clapping  
 
 Can  you  put  up  a  video  or  a  pic  of  your  monster?  Hole  in  the  head  sounds  cool  in  a  freaky  sort  of  way  (Sympathy  to  the  poor  fish  of  course  lol!)   Chuckle  
 
 I  have  been  thinking  of  getting  a  Giant  Gourami  ever  since  i  saw  the  monster  at  Inorbit  Mall.  The  one  there  looked  very  peaceful  and  seemed  like  it  was  getting  along  just  fine  with  the  rest  of  the  usual  bunch  of  Oscars,  Parrots,  FHs,  etc.  I  think  the  main  reason  for  that  would  be  tank  size.  Correct  me  if  i  am  wrong,  but  the  aquarium  at  Inorbit  Mall  would  be  at  least  25  feet  in  length  and  6  feet  high?  That  would  give  the  Gourami  and  the  rest  of  the  cichlids  very  little  opportunity  to  wage  a  territorial  war.
 
 Do  Giant  Gouramis  (GGs)  get  more  peaceful  as  they  grow  older?  Also,  does  the  thumb  rule  of  cichlids  (never  keep  even  numbers  or  worse  a  pair  as  they  will  go  after  each  other)  apply  to  GGs  too?  Do  they  splash  around  water  and  play  chase  when  they  are  younger?   
 
 On  a  separate  note,  do  you  usually  buy  from  Nautilus  and  is  this  where  you  sourced  the  GG  from?  I  stay  pretty  close  to  where  Nautilus  is  located  and  find  the  rates  little  too  steep  for  my  liking.  As  far  as  gravel  and  accessories  go,  his  rates  seem  to  be  pretty  much  on  par  with  the  rest,  but  most  of  his  fish  are  a  tad  overpriced  in  my  opinion.  Have  you  ever  tried  purchasing  from  Kurla  East?   
 
 Too  many  Qs  lol  !   Chuckle
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 if  you  think  Nautilus  is  expensive  try  aakar  at  kurla.  ever  since  they  expanded  they  quote  outrageous  prices  for  their  stock.  They  have  a  couple  of  12"  plus  GG's  and  a  short  body  variant.  It’s  a  stockier  and  delicate  looking  version  of  the  giant.  Out  of  curiosity,  I  asked  the  price  and  nearly  fell  down  when  I  heard  the  words  coming  out  of  the  shop  attendant’s  mouth.  I  could  have  setup  a  completely  new  hi  tech  aquarium  at  the  cost  of  one  aakar  GG.  
 
 However,  Aakar  was  economical  until  last  year  before  the  big  livestock  smuggling  bust-up.  The  Mumbai  LFS's  have  used  it  to  up  the  prices  drastically.  They’re  literally  killing  off  the  hobby.  So  much  so  that  I’ve  gone  native.  Especially  after  I  discovered  ‘lakeland,’  a  crummy  little  shop  in  kurla.  Lakeland  is  like  the  Shakti  kapoor  of  Mumbai  LFS's.  It’s  dark  and  dingy  and  manned  by  a  psychopath  (who  couldn’t  be  bothered  about  selling  fish)  and  a  crony  with  a  punk  haircut.  Between  themselves,  they  run  an  operation  that  can  only  be  described  as  the  aquatic  equivalent  of  Arthur  road  jail  where  fish  are  housed  in  deplorable  conditions.  Point  to  a  tank  full  of  shrimp  and  tell  the  psychopath  you  want  to  buy  some  and  he  says  they’re  not  for  sale.  Ask  the  crony  and  he  gladly  scoops  them  out  by  the  dozens.  Also  the  prices  differ  between  the  two  guys.  The  psychopath  makes  up  whatever  price  he  feels  like  on  the  spot  while  the  punk  is  more  sorted  and  quotes  reasonably.  The  psychopath  for  some  reason  always  looks  irritated  (as  if  some  imaginary  fly  is  bothering  him).  Having  said  that,  I  once  came  across  Lakeland’s  actual  owner  and  he  turned  out  to  be  an  articulate  chap  with  a  French  beard  who  knew  every  fish  by  its  scientific  name.  I  was  impressed,  and  so  smooth  and  convincing  was  he,  that  I  ended  up  buying  half  a  dozen  native  fish  including  one  comatose  freshwater  pipefish,  which  died  as  soon  as  it  tasted  the  sweet  hygienic  waters  of  my  planted  tank.
 
 Lakeland  stocks  the  ruffians  of  the  aquatic  world.  Brackish  water  species  like  puffers,  gobies,  flounders,  estuary  catfish  and  specially  eels  that  look  like  they  originated  from  a  distant  galaxy.  Moray  eels  are  a  regular  feature.  They’re  mostly  dead  but  proudly  displayed.   Lakeland  likes  to  keep  it  edgy.  They  have  a  particular  affinity  for,  believe  it  or  not,  horseshoe  crabs!!  Wonder  of  wonders,  you  read  correctly.  It  takes  a  certain  amount  of  temerity  to  sell  a  creature  that,  until  then,  you  had  only  seen  on  discovery  and  animal  planet.  The  poor  critters  are  almost  always  dead  or  breathing  their  last.  On  the  plus  side,  to  give  them  credit,  Lakeland  is  extremely  reasonably  priced  and  responsible  for  my  new  found  admiration  for  our  wonderful  (and  sometimes  weird)  native  fauna.  If  you’re  lucky  and  on  time  you  might  end  up  with  healthy  and  cheap  native  fish  like  Badis,  Dario  Dario  and  needlefish,  all  of  which  I  own.  
 
 If  you  asked  Nautilus  they’d  probably  attribute  their  steep  prices  to  the  quality  of  their  stock  and  other  spiel  but  I  don’t  buy  it.  Every  LFS  gets  their  stock  from  the  same  source,  other  than  the  few  species  they  personally  breed.  Legally  imported  livestock  would  be  virtually  unaffordable  for  most  of  us.  ‘Aaj  kal  maal  aata  hi  nahin  hai’  is  what  you'll  hear  every  retailer  moan.  Which  maybe  be  true  and  which  also  accounts  for  astronomical  prices  these  days.  All  in  all,  the  scenario  for  us  Mumbai  hobbyists  looks  bleak.  
 I  bought  my  GG  from  the  shop  next  to  the  petrol  pump  near  Nautilus  when  he  was  4"  or  so.  He  looked  healthy  so  I  bought  him,  Simple.  He’s  extremely  aggressive  and  is  quite  a  personality,  even  more  than  a  12”  flowerhorn  I  once  had.  At  times  he  splashes  water  all  over  my  desk  (including  my  computer)  just  to  get  my  attention  if  he  senses  my  presence  in  the  next  room  and  it’s  particularly  embarrassing  when  I  have  guests.  Many  a  times  a  guest  will  throw  me  quizzical  looks  on  hearing  loud  splashing  sounds  in  the  adjacent  room.  ‘oh  it’s  just  my  fish  trying  to  dive  bomb  the  aquarium  hood’  I  say.  I’m  praying  he  mellows  down  with  age  because  he’s  rapid  outgrowing  his  existing  tank  and  then  I  can  move  him  to  my  bigger  RTC/TSN  tank.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Giant Gourami Reply with quote

 Maybe  that  GG  or  yours  is  trying  to  get  out  of  that  2x1x1...and  into  the  bigger  tank..
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Giant Gourami Reply with quote

 I  saw  this  giant  gouramies  in  kubban  park  aquarium  in  december
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 How  about  this  beauty,  which  i  saw  at  an  LFS  at  Banaswadi  main  road:
 
 
 
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if  you  think  Nautilus  is  expensive  try  aakar  at  kurla.  ever  since  they  expanded  they  quote  outrageous  prices  for  their  stock.  They  have  a  couple  of  12"  plus  GG's  and  a  short  body  variant.  It’s  a  stockier  and  delicate  looking  version  of  the  giant.  Out  of  curiosity,  I  asked  the  price  and  nearly  fell  down  when  I  heard  the  words  coming  out  of  the  shop  attendant’s  mouth.  I  could  have  setup  a  completely  new  hi  tech  aquarium  at  the  cost  of  one  aakar  GG.  
 
 However,  Aakar  was  economical  until  last  year  before  the  big  livestock  smuggling  bust-up.  The  Mumbai  LFS's  have  used  it  to  up  the  prices  drastically.  They’re  literally  killing  off  the  hobby.  So  much  so  that  I’ve  gone  native.  Especially  after  I  discovered  ‘lakeland,’  a  crummy  little  shop  in  kurla.  Lakeland  is  like  the  Shakti  kapoor  of  Mumbai  LFS's.  It’s  dark  and  dingy  and  manned  by  a  psychopath  (who  couldn’t  be  bothered  about  selling  fish)  and  a  crony  with  a  punk  haircut.  Between  themselves,  they  run  an  operation  that  can  only  be  described  as  the  aquatic  equivalent  of  Arthur  road  jail  where  fish  are  housed  in  deplorable  conditions.  Point  to  a  tank  full  of  shrimp  and  tell  the  psychopath  you  want  to  buy  some  and  he  says  they’re  not  for  sale.  Ask  the  crony  and  he  gladly  scoops  them  out  by  the  dozens.  Also  the  prices  differ  between  the  two  guys.  The  psychopath  makes  up  whatever  price  he  feels  like  on  the  spot  while  the  punk  is  more  sorted  and  quotes  reasonably.  The  psychopath  for  some  reason  always  looks  irritated  (as  if  some  imaginary  fly  is  bothering  him).  Having  said  that,  I  once  came  across  Lakeland’s  actual  owner  and  he  turned  out  to  be  an  articulate  chap  with  a  French  beard  who  knew  every  fish  by  its  scientific  name.  I  was  impressed,  and  so  smooth  and  convincing  was  he,  that  I  ended  up  buying  half  a  dozen  native  fish  including  one  comatose  freshwater  pipefish,  which  died  as  soon  as  it  tasted  the  sweet  hygienic  waters  of  my  planted  tank.
 
 Lakeland  stocks  the  ruffians  of  the  aquatic  world.  Brackish  water  species  like  puffers,  gobies,  flounders,  estuary  catfish  and  specially  eels  that  look  like  they  originated  from  a  distant  galaxy.  Moray  eels  are  a  regular  feature.  They’re  mostly  dead  but  proudly  displayed.   Lakeland  likes  to  keep  it  edgy.  They  have  a  particular  affinity  for,  believe  it  or  not,  horseshoe  crabs!!  Wonder  of  wonders,  you  read  correctly.  It  takes  a  certain  amount  of  temerity  to  sell  a  creature  that,  until  then,  you  had  only  seen  on  discovery  and  animal  planet.  The  poor  critters  are  almost  always  dead  or  breathing  their  last.  On  the  plus  side,  to  give  them  credit,  Lakeland  is  extremely  reasonably  priced  and  responsible  for  my  new  found  admiration  for  our  wonderful  (and  sometimes  weird)  native  fauna.  If  you’re  lucky  and  on  time  you  might  end  up  with  healthy  and  cheap  native  fish  like  Badis,  Dario  Dario  and  needlefish,  all  of  which  I  own.  
 
 If  you  asked  Nautilus  they’d  probably  attribute  their  steep  prices  to  the  quality  of  their  stock  and  other  spiel  but  I  don’t  buy  it.  Every  LFS  gets  their  stock  from  the  same  source,  other  than  the  few  species  they  personally  breed.  Legally  imported  livestock  would  be  virtually  unaffordable  for  most  of  us.  ‘Aaj  kal  maal  aata  hi  nahin  hai’  is  what  you'll  hear  every  retailer  moan.  Which  maybe  be  true  and  which  also  accounts  for  astronomical  prices  these  days.  All  in  all,  the  scenario  for  us  Mumbai  hobbyists  looks  bleak.  
 I  bought  my  GG  from  the  shop  next  to  the  petrol  pump  near  Nautilus  when  he  was  4"  or  so.  He  looked  healthy  so  I  bought  him,  Simple.  He’s  extremely  aggressive  and  is  quite  a  personality,  even  more  than  a  12”  flowerhorn  I  once  had.  At  times  he  splashes  water  all  over  my  desk  (including  my  computer)  just  to  get  my  attention  if  he  senses  my  presence  in  the  next  room  and  it’s  particularly  embarrassing  when  I  have  guests.  Many  a  times  a  guest  will  throw  me  quizzical  looks  on  hearing  loud  splashing  sounds  in  the  adjacent  room.  ‘oh  it’s  just  my  fish  trying  to  dive  bomb  the  aquarium  hood’  I  say.  I’m  praying  he  mellows  down  with  age  because  he’s  rapid  outgrowing  his  existing  tank  and  then  I  can  move  him  to  my  bigger  RTC/TSN  tank.                

 
 Hi  Sid.  Thanks  for  the  amazingly  detailed  response!  
 
 I  agree  with  you  totally  that  most  LFS'  quote  absurd  prices  for  their  livestock.  Bargaining  may  work  on  a  few  occasions  but  most  deals  go  sour  simply  because  they  have  their  heads  so  far  up  their  behinds  that  they  refuse  to  let  go  of  their  egos.     Chuckle  
 
 The  two  LFS  guys  who  i  find  really  humble/reasonable  to  talk  to  are  brothers  Naeem  and  Nadeem  who  own  Sweethome  Aquarium  close  to  the  fuel  pump  on  Bandra  SV  road.  Although  their  rates  may  not  be  the  best,  they  are  extremely  patient  and  kind  in  dealing  with  customers.  I  think  much  of  their  behavior  has  to  do  with  the  kind  of  values  their  always-smiling  dad,  who  used  to  earlier  man  the  shop,  has  left  behind.  Plus,  they  almost  always  come  down  to  60%  of  their  quoted  rate  if  you  bargain.  I  used  to  regularly  purchase  from  them  for  almost  a  decade  until  i  shifted  to  another  LFS  recently  close  to  home  in  Khar.  Did  you  get  your  GG  from  Sweethome?
 
 With  fish  i  guess  its  all  about  looking  in  the  right  places  as  sometimes  you  can  find  treasure  while  sifting  through  trash.  Case  in  point:  I  got  the  most  memorable  and  amazing  pair  of  lionhead  pearlscale  goldfish  once  from  a  beat  up  LFS  opposite  Khar  Market  called  Manali  Fish  for  only  a  couple  of  hundred  bucks.  They  were  claimed  to  be  "imported"  from  Chennai  and  i  had  never  seen  pearscales  of  that  size,  color  and  shape  at  any  LFS  in  Bandra.  Sadly,  i  lost  them  due  to  an  overnight  power  failure.  Would  you  believe  that  Manali  Fish  is  a  paan  shop  come  aquarium?  I  have  seen  the  owner  on  several  times  scoop  blood  worms  from  his  bare  hands,  and  once  its  bagged  and  sold  to  the  customer  for  Rs.5,  he  proceeds  nonchalantly  to  "wash"  his  hands  by  merely  immersing  them  in  a  tank  full  of  goldfish  and  then  proceeds  to  prepare  paan  with  the  same  hands  as  though  dipping  them  in  a  tank  full  of  goldies  is  the  best  way  to  make  them  sterile!!  Yuuuuuuuuck   ROFL  
 
 I  have  never  been  to  the  aquariums  in  Kurla  but  i  frequently  hear  the  LFS  guys  in  my  area  (Khar/Bandra)  mention  that  they  buy  all  their  stuff  from  some  "wholesale  market"  there.  Do  they  buy  from  shops  like  Aakar  &  Lakeland  or  is  there  like  a  different  wholesale/bulk  source  from  where  they  buy  at  throwaway  prices?     
 
 I  would  really  like  to  pay  Lakeland  (hope  the  psycho  is  at  home  sleeping  peacefully  on  his  much-needed  medication  lol!   Very Happy  )  and  the  other  shops  in  Kurla  a  visit.  Please  let  me  know  the  exact  address  or  better  still,  if  you  plan  to  go  sometime  soon  and  I  would  be  glad  to  tag  along.
 
 PS:  My  Pacus  splash  around  water  too.  Even  though  i  have  managed  to  completely  seal  off  the  aquarium  by  placing  a  glass  sheet  on  top,  water  still  finds  its  way  out  somehow!  I  have  had  my  TV  sprayed  generously  on  several  occasions  because  of  which  i  had  to  push  my  tank  further  away  into  the  corridor!  Worse,  i  am  afraid  the  glass  sheet  on  the  top  will  crack  any  time  as  my  Pacus  leap  out  of  the  water  and  hit  the  glass  top  when  they  see  me  near  the  tank     Surprised
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Giant Gourami Reply with quote

 hey  deejay  
 i've  bought  a  lot  from  the  sweet  home  brothers  and  i  agree  they  really  value  a  customer  plus  they  have  good  stock  too.  you  get  a  good  vibe,  and  sometime  a  good  bargain,  from  them.  however  i  bought  my  gg  from  the  shop  next  to  sweet  home,  i  always  forget  the  name.  its  right  next  to  the  petrol  pump.  These  lfs's  mostly  buy  in  wholesale  from  from  kurla  and  crawford  market,  dont  know  how  throwaway  the  prices  are  though.  the  kurla  shops  (aakar,  lakeland)  are  in  lanes  outside  the  station  on  the  west  side.i  dont  know  the  exact  address  though  because  i  walked  over  from  the  east  and  simply  asked  bypassers  and  found  my  way  there.  let  me  know  your  number  and  i'll  give  you  a  call  the  next  time  i  go  there.
 
 regards  Sid.
 
 PS:  now  that  you've  mentioned  it,  i'm  dying  to  have  the  bloodworm  paan  man!
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 The  shops  in  kurla  Aakar  ,Lakeland  are  located  in  kurla  east.
 Just  go  to  the  east  side  and  walk  staright  and  take  the  first  right  turn  ,  taking  few  steps  you  could  the  shops.
 Also  dont  forget  to  visit  the  new  shop  of   aakar  i.e  Maharashtra  Aquarium  of  aakar  on  the  next  lane.
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hey  deejay  
 i've  bought  a  lot  from  the  sweet  home  brothers  and  i  agree  they  really  value  a  customer  plus  they  have  good  stock  too.  you  get  a  good  vibe,  and  sometime  a  good  bargain,  from  them.  however  i  bought  my  gg  from  the  shop  next  to  sweet  home,  i  always  forget  the  name.  its  right  next  to  the  petrol  pump.  These  lfs's  mostly  buy  in  wholesale  from  from  kurla  and  crawford  market,  dont  know  how  throwaway  the  prices  are  though.  the  kurla  shops  (aakar,  lakeland)  are  in  lanes  outside  the  station  on  the  west  side.i  dont  know  the  exact  address  though  because  i  walked  over  from  the  east  and  simply  asked  bypassers  and  found  my  way  there.  let  me  know  your  number  and  i'll  give  you  a  call  the  next  time  i  go  there.
 
 regards  Sid.
 
 PS:  now  that  you've  mentioned  it,  i'm  dying  to  have  the  bloodworm  paan  man!                

 
 My  experience  with  Sweet  Home  Aquarium  has  been  exactly  the  same.  The  LFS  you  mention  close  to  the  petrol  pump  is  called  Fish  N  Bird  if  i  am  not  mistaken.  I  used  to  frequent  that  place  when  i  was  a  kid,  as  their  rates  were  the  cheapest  (their  tanks  however  were  not  really  well  maintained).  The  owner  of  Fish  N  Bird  is  a  pretty  well  known  Bollywood  song  writer/lyricist.  He  used  to  earlier  sit  at  the  shop  and  pen  his  songs  claiming  that  peace  and  tranquility  of  the  aquariums  around  him  would  inspire  him  to  write   Chuckle   He  was  even  featured  in  the  newspapers  where  he  talked  about  how  songwriting  had  helped  him  make  a  decent  career  to  buy  property  and  cars  for  his  family.  The  aquarium  shop  was  still  close  to  his  heart  and  he  refused  to  sell  it  off.  Not  too  sure  if  he  still  owns  it  though.
 
 Are  you  sure  the  LFS'  buy  from  Crawford  market?  I  went  there  a  few  weeks  ago  and  found  the  livestock  prices  pretty  exorbitant.  May  be  LFS  guys  have  a  rapport  with  them  and  since  they  buy  in  bulk,  they  may  be  getting  much  cheaper  rates.  However,  at  Crawford  market  too,  the  shops  are  very  small  and  they  stock  very  limited  varieties  of  fish.  Accessories  though  are  pretty  cheap.  I  got  myself  a  1250  lit/hour  internal  filter  for  only  430  bucks  from  there.  Although  it  is  some  nondescript  Chinese  brand,  its  doing  the  job  very  well  indeed.  Best  of  all,  the  filter  has  a  dual  cartridge  which  ensures  that  my  Pacus  cannot  bite  the  wire  off  like  they  did  to  my  last  two  filters!   Very Happy      
 
 Sounds  like  a  plan.  I  will  PM  you  my  number  and  look  forward  to  joining  you  in  your  next  trip  there.  
 
 PS:  We  Indians  must  be  having  digestive  systems  made  of  steel.  In  all  these  years  of  doubling  up  as  a  bloodworm  come  paan  seller,  amazingly,  no  one  has  ever  died  or  fallen  sick  at  Manali  Fish!     :sick:
 
 Lol  of  you  are  feeling  adventurous  enough  i  could  take  you  there  and  make  sure  to  purchase  a  packet  of  bloodworms  before  you  order  your  paan  so  that  you  can  witness  this  travesty  of  hygiene  firsthand     ROFL
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Giant Gourami Reply with quote

 I  was  at  kurla  on  Sunday..  Nothing  great  there  tons  of  Goldfish  and  other  tiny  fish...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Giant Gourami Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  was  at  kurla  on  Sunday..  Nothing  great  there  tons  of  Goldfish  and  other  tiny  fish...                

 
 I  see.  Now  that's  a  disappointment.  Are  monsoons  the  best  time  to  hunt  around  for  fish?
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 Sorry  mates,  have  been  out  of  hobby  for  a  while  now,  works  keeping  me  really  busy  and  i  am  busy  keeping  my  work...  Chuckle  
 
 Thanks  all  for  your  responses   Thumb Up   happy  fish  keeping....
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 The  LFS  in  RT  nagar  near  pizza  hut  has  one  for  sale
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 if  you  think  Nautilus  is  expensive  try  aakar  at  kurla.  ever  since  they  expanded  they  quote  outrageous  prices  for  their  stock.  They  have  a  couple  of  12"  plus  GG's  and  a  short  body  variant.  It’s  a  stockier  and  delicate  looking  version  of  the  giant.  Out  of  curiosity,  I  asked  the  price  and  nearly  fell  down  when  I  heard  the  words  coming  out  of  the  shop  attendant’s  mouth.  I  could  have  setup  a  completely  new  hi  tech  aquarium  at  the  cost  of  one  aakar  GG.  
                 

 
 Hey  Sid.  I  saw  a  one  eyed  2'  GG  at  Affable  in  Vile  Parle.  The  asking  price  was  completely  absurd.
 
 I  think  these  LFS  guys  need  to  get  their  act  together  if  they  are  really  interested  in  surviving  and  doing  business.   
 
   Rock On
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