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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

 Anyone  done  anything  with  this  plant?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

 I  had  it  last  year.  Throw  them  out  as  it  was  weeding  out  the  tank.  Requirement  is  same  as  hydrocotyle  verticillata.  Very  hard  to  kill  (Impossible  I  would  say).  Under  high  light,  it  will  throw  so  many  side  shoots  that  it  will  vertually  create  a  maze  in  the  tank.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

 Are  you  sure  you  did  not  have  Hydrocotyle  leucocephala  ?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

                                                   
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Are  you  sure  you  did  not  have  Hydrocotyle  leucocephala  ?                

 
 I  had  leucocephala  too.  Sibthorpioides  are  smaller  than  this  but  growth  patteren  is  somewhat  same.  I  tried  it  on  FG  but  they  formed  maze  all  arround  the  tank.  Leucocephala  and  Sibthorpioides  both  are  messy  when  growing  under  water.   Thumb Down  
 
 But  verticillata  rocks.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

 Another  point.  In  Tropica  site,  they  have  specified  verticilata  as  a  foreground  plant  but  under  MH  they  are  growing  in  my  tank  with  minimum  height  of  4"  and  max  6-7".
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

 Never  had  this  plant.
 
 Checked  my  Kasselman  book.  She  says  that  this  is  an  Marsh  Plant  occassionally  submersed.  Prefers  lots  of  sunlight  and  nutrient  rich  subsrtrate.  Prefers  pH  of  6.5  to  7  and  temp  upto  27  degrees.  Also  sold  as  Hydrocotyle  sp.  "Bali"  or  "Java".
 
 Checked  out  the  pictures  of  both  sibthorpioides  and  leucocephala.  There  are  distinct  visual  differences.  Sibthorpioides  leaves  are  more  roundish  and  good  to  look  at.
 
 Tirtha  is  right,  sibthorpioides  leaves  are  smaller  (0.5  -  2  cm)  then  that  of  leucocephala  (2-5  cm).
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

                                                   
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Another  point.  In  Tropica  site,  they  have  specified  verticilata  as  a  foreground  plant  but  under  MH  they  are  growing  in  my  tank  with  minimum  height  of  4"  and  max  6-7".                

 
 You  most  probably  have  Hydrocotyle  umbellata.  The  real  Hydrocotyle  verticillata  never  grows  over  2-3"  under  adequate  light.  Both  these  species  look  almost  similar  but  the  H.  umbellata  can  grow  6-12"  tall.
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 Tirtha  Pictures  please  of  both  Hydrocotyle  sp.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

 Was  there  any  hairs  on  the  Hydrocotyle  Sibthorpioides  roots  similar  to  H.  leucocephala?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

                                                   
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Another  point.  In  Tropica  site,  they  have  specified  verticilata  as  a  foreground  plant  but  under  MH  they  are  growing  in  my  tank  with  minimum  height  of  4"  and  max  6-7".                

 
 You  most  probably  have  Hydrocotyle  umbellata.  The  real  Hydrocotyle  verticillata  never  grows  over  2-3"  under  adequate  light.  Both  these  species  look  almost  similar  but  the  H.  umbellata  can  grow  6-12"  tall.
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 I  have  this  one  exactly.
 http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HYVE2
 
 Let  me  go  back  to  home.  Will  click  and  post  picture  of  the  same.
 
 
                                                 
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 Tirtha  Pictures  please  of  both  Hydrocotyle  sp.
                 

 
 Sir...  need  to  surf  through  my  old  CDs  to  check  if  I  have  stored  the  pictures  somewhere.  But  will  post  verticilata  pic  today  only.
 
 
                                                 
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 Was  there  any  hairs  on  the  Hydrocotyle  Sibthorpioides  roots  similar  to  H.  leucocephala?
                 

 
 Sibthorpioides  does  not  have  any  hairs  on  roots.  But  really  can't  remember  if  leucocephala  had  hairs  on  the  roots  or  not.   Chuckle  
 
 
 Was  trying  to  find  out  the  difference  among  all  4  species  through  google  images.  Really  confusing.   Wall Bang
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Another  point.  In  Tropica  site,  they  have  specified  verticilata  as  a  foreground  plant  but  under  MH  they  are  growing  in  my  tank  with  minimum  height  of  4"  and  max  6-7".                

 
 You  most  probably  have  Hydrocotyle  umbellata.  The  real  Hydrocotyle  verticillata  never  grows  over  2-3"  under  adequate  light.  Both  these  species  look  almost  similar  but  the  H.  umbellata  can  grow  6-12"  tall.
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 I  have  this  one  exactly.
 http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HYVE2
 
 Let  me  go  back  to  home.  Will  click  and  post  picture  of  the  same.
 
                 

 
 The  only  right  way  to  identify  the  plant  is  to  observe  the  infloresence.  There  is  really  no  way  to  distinguish  between  the  two  just  looking  at  the  leaf  shape.  They  are  identical.  I  have  seen  both  these  plant  growing  side  by  side  in  their  natural  habitat  and  could  not  tell  the  difference  without  looking  at  the  infloresence.  Props  to  you  if  you  can  identifiy  them  just  by  looking  at  pictures.  Thumb Up  
 I  have  grown  H.  verticillata  for  a  while  now  in  both  submerged  (  under  CF  light)  and  emersed  state  and  it  never  grows  over  3".
 Sorry  Madan  for  being  off  topic.  BTW  I  still  haven't  seen  H.sibthorpioides  offered  for  sale  here  though  native  to  US.  Very  elusive.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Hydrocotyle sibthorpioides Reply with quote

 Bhushan  I  read  Hydrocotyle  sibthorpioides  is  from  South  Asia,  previously  sold  a  H  maritima.
 
 I  am  not  trying  to  identify  plants  looking  at  pictures,  I  am  not  even  sure  if  the  pictures  are  identified  correctly.  Chuckle  
 I  am  trying  to  check  and  compare  the  pictures  with  drawings  by  CDK  Cook.  :D
 
 If  I  can't,  I'll  wait  till  someone  flowers  them  etc.,  etc.,  Very Happy
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 Madan,  though  H.  sibthorpioides  is  widely  documented  as  originating  from  South   Asia  starting  from  India  all  the  way  till  Japan,   it  is  also  found  in  United  States  in  quiet  a  few  states.  
 http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HYSI&photoID=hyro4_001_avd.tif
 Aquatic  and  Wetland  plants  of  India  is  a  great  book  By  CDK  Cook.  Thumb Up  
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 This  is  what  I  have  currently.  Now  you  tell  me  if  it  is  Verticilata  or  not.
 
 
 
 This  is  the  best  close  up  I  could  capture  with  my  broken  camera.
 
 
 
 Madan  Sir....  I  will  try  to  find  out  other  2  species  pictures  what  I  had.
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 There  is  really  no  way  to  distinguish  between  the  two  just  looking  at  the  leaf  shape.  They  are  identical.  Looking  at  the  height  your  plant  has  under  MH’s  I  believe  it  H  umbellata.
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