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 Hi  Rama:
 
 Try  Garlic  Elixir...
 Keep  us  posted...
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 Latest  update.  6.35  PM  Crying or Very sad    Sad  
 
 Tank  1:  Garlic  :  One  died.  One  remaining.
 Tank  2:  Chloromycetin:  One  died.  One  remaining.
 Tank  3:  Flagyl  :  One  died.  Two  remaining.
 Tank  4:  One  died.  Two  remaining.
 
 Till  some  time  back,  they  seemed  fine.  They  just  flipped  and  died.  Sad  
 
 What  is  going  to  work??
 
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 Hi  Rama:
 
 Sincere  Condolence...  Crying or Very sad
 
 
                                                 
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What's  going  to  work...??                

 Only,  pray  to  Thee...
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 Nag,
 
 I  was  surfing  for  information  and  cure  on  this  problem.  Found  the  following  link  http://members.tripod.com/discus_unlimited/article/whirling.html
 where  they  call  this  whirling  disease  caused  due  to  some  virus  and  recommend  detroying  the  whole  lot!!!!  Crying or Very sad  
 
 Does  this  make  sense??
 
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   More  on  whirling  disease
 
   Some  more  not  so  good  info
 
   Possible  Cure
 
 More  Cures
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 hi  all,
 
 You  would  be  surprised  to  know  that  this  swirling  disease  is  called  VIRAL  FEVER  for  discus  and  this  is  often  fatal.
 
 Reasons:
 
 1.  water  parameters  do  go  hay-wire  during  rains.  bacterias  become  more  active,  thus  if  u  r  not  using  RO  filters,  this  may  get  in  your  tanks.
 
 2.  if  one  has  fever  and  he  does  w/c  during  his  sickness,  this  is  also  transfered  to  the  fish.  
 
 3.  any  sneezing  on  top  of  tank  can  also  lead  to  VIRAL  FEVER  in  discus.
 
 4.  possible  another  source  could  be  affected  of  diseased  food  source.
 
 5.  If  using  RO  filter,  it  might  be  chocked  of  the  TFT  membrane  has  not  been  changed.
 
 
 
 Prevention:
 
 1.  check  water  parameters  for  TDS,  hardness  and  nitrates,  specially  when  changes  in  weather.  take  necessary  meaures  accordingly  to  get  the  water  paras  same  as  before.  e,g,    use  RO  filter  or  change  RO  filters  media.
 
 2.  if  one  has  fever,  DO  NOT  perform  w/c's.  Never  let  anyone  come  near  the  tanks  if  they  have  fever  or  cold.    Higly  recommended.
 
 3.  Always  clean  hands  with  water  when  doing  w/c's,  irrespective  you  have  fever,  cold  or  not.  no  soap  to  be  used.  just  plain  water  hand  rinsing  will  do.
 
 4.  Always  know  your  food  source.  Hikari  i  know  is  popular  this  parts  of  India,  and  it  is  a  very  good  food  source.  It  is  sterlized!!
 
 5.  Use  PP  to  clean  your  tanks  once  a  week.  -      Take  a  beaker  of  water  and  put  PP  till  water  turns  dark  Pink.  dip  scrubber  in  it  and  clean  tank  sides/walls  and  bottom  from  down  towards  up.  Thumb  rule  -  one  dip  of  scrubber  =  one  stroke  down  to  up.  clean  scrubber  in  PP  beaker  and  use  again.  do  this  till  the  whole  tank  has  been  done.  perform  50%  w/c.
                         this  will  sterlize  the  tanks  and  will  remove  any  settled  bacteria  on  side  and  tank  glass.
 Caution  while  using  PP:  it  will  kill  the  bacteria  in  the  filter,  so  it  is  recommended  that  the  filter  be  pulled  out  first  and  put  in  seperate  water  holder  with  old  aqarium  water.
 
 
 Cure:
 
 1.  No  cure  found  so  far,  but  people  do  try  different  things.
 
 a.  start  feeding  ANTIBIOTICS    immediately.
 
 b.  clean  tank  with  PP  as  mentioned  above  daily.
 
 c.  supplement  with  Vitamin  C  tabs  to  100mg  per  40  L
 
 Rest  leave  to  God.
 
 
 PLEASE  SEE:
 
 1.  it  is  a  myth  that  it  is  due  to  PH  change.  totally  wrong.  downward  PH  change  (e.g.    7.5  -  6.Cool  will  make  the  fish  stressed  and  put  burns  on  the  fish  fins,  but  PH  change  upwards  (e.g.  6.8  -  7.5)  will  not  have  an  adverse  affect  on  the  fish,  they  adjust  well  to  this.
 
 2.  formalin  is  only  used  for  parasites.  flukes  and  internal  parasites  specially.  please  donot  use  this  for  this.  highly  recommended.  and  special  care  should  be  taken  while  using  this.  
 
 
 
 Sorry  for  the  long  post  and  i  tried  my  best  to  help.  Donot  take  the  word  FATAL  seriously  as  i  know  it  is  very  stressing,  but  it  is  a  fact.  In  this  case  i  qull  my  affected  stockS  from  tankS,  but  over  time  taking  precautions  has  since  helped.
 
 
 If  i  can  be  of  any  other  help,  lemme  know  and  take  care.
 
 
 
 
 
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 Hey  Discusrama,
 
 Sorry  for  your  losses.
 
 
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 Hi  Rama
 
 Sorry  to  hear,  that  you  have  lost  Adult  Discus.  In  the  Past,  same
 thing  happend  to  me,  out  of  6  Adults,  have  lost  two.  It  looks  like
 as  going  through  all  the  Postings,  one  given  to  understand  that  it
 may  be  Due  to  Viral,  epedimic  of  contaminated  Rain  water.Take
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 Hi  All,
 
 Many  thanks  for  your  kind  words  and  advise.  
 
 All  those  being  treated  have  died  during  the  night.  Sad    
 
 Spent  the  early  hours    separating  the  good  ones  to  quarantine  tanks.  Got  some  quinine  sulphate  as  recommended  in  the  link  given  by  Madan.  Started  the  treatment.  Let  us  see  whether  it  works.  
 
 It  is  not  the  money  that  is  important.  It  is  losing  these  beautiful  babies  -  that  hurts!  Sad  
 
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 hi  subu,
 
 Sorry  for  your  loss  Crying or Very sad
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 Hi!
 
 Lost  some  more.  
 "It's  all  upto  the  lord  now!"
 
 I  would  like/  request  the  admin  to  close  this  post,  please.
 
 Thanks  to  all  who  have  given  me  advise  and  been  kind.
 
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 Hi  All,
 
 Not  lost  a  single  fish  till  now.  All  doing  fine.  Cheering    Clapping    Cheer  
 
 I  moved  the  bigger  pairs  to  a  friends  place.  
 
 The  remaining  ones  were  threated  with  Quinine  Sulfate  yesterday  and  Nag's  Garlic  medication  today  morning.  Rock On    I  am  sorry  that  i  asked  for  this  post  to  be  closed.  I  was  feeling  down.
 
 I  plan  to  continue  with  the  same  treatment  as  they  are  doing  fine.
 
 Can  somebody  advise  on  the  best  method  for  disinfecting  the  tanks??  I  intend  doing  this  before  getting  my  fishes  back.
 
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 Rama,
 
 Can  you  post  the  source  of  quinine  sulphate?
 
 This  is  a  useful  medication  to  get  your  hands  on.
 
 I  guess  you'll  have  to  discard  a  number  of  equipment  to  be  rid  of  this  disease.
 How  small  are  the  spores?  No  mention  of  that  anywhere.  Will  it  stick  to  the  silicone  and  remain  there?
 
 I  guess  you'll  have  to  try  multiple  agent  disinfection,  which  I  am  not  too  sure  will  be  effective  because  if  the  spores  cannot  be  affected  by  any  drug  or  other  agents  like  bleach  etc.,  you  are  in  a  hell  of  a  mess.
 
 Like  the  common  ich,  the  spores  can  not  be  destroyed  in  water,  but  the  free  swimming  intermediate  parasites  are  attacked  by  medication.
 Ich  cannot  survive  dryness  or  absense  of  fish  but  this  damn  virus  or  whatever  can  survive  years  of  dryness  and  all  types  of  conditions.
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 Hi!
 
 The  last  of  the  fishes  affected  by  this  disease  died  today  -  a  big  red  turquoise.  
 
 Total  casualties  :  70-80  youngs  3"  upwards  and  22  adults  mostly  pigeons,  blue  diamonds  and  my  whole  lot  of  red  turquoise.
 
 I  havent  discarded  any  equipment.  Treating  tanks  with  Poash  aluminum  sulphate  as  suggested  by  Nag.  Must  say  that  it  is  better  than  Potassium  permanganate.  All  big  fishes  have  been  shifted  to  the  hatchery.  Only  five  tanks  inhabited  at  present.  Got  fry  25  paise  coind  size  of  blue  turq,  blue  diamonds,  pigeon,  butterly,  red  turq.
 
 
 Madan,  the  QS  was  sent  by  a  chemical  dealer  in  Aurangabad.  I  will  try  and  get  the  source  from  him.  
 
 Thanks  to  all  of  you  who  have  stood  by  me  in  this  trying  time.  
 
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 Sorry  for  your  losses  again.
 
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