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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi  All,
 
 I  am  a  novice  in  this  hobby  and  I  am  currently  trying  my  hand  on  freshwater  aquarium,  which  after  an  initial  hiccup  (because  of  my  impatience)  seems  to  have  stabilised  after  taking  advise  from  experts  such  yogoranda,  chinkz  etc.
 
 I  now  would  like  to  try  my  hand  on  a  mini  marine  aquarium,  not  a  big  one  because  of  budget  constraints.  I  will  try  to  narrate  the  procedure  I  would  be  following  and  the  equipments  I  will  be  using.  Kindly  correct  me  if  any  of  my  method,  equipment  is  unnecessary,  inadequate  etc...
 
 I  plan  to  set  up  a  fish  and  live  rock  tank...Dimension  of  the  tank  would  be  30*15*15...I  am  not  ready  for  a  reef  tank  as  of  yet...!!  For  the  substrate  I  will  be  using  dead  sea  sand  which  would  eventually  be  live  during  the  cycling  process.
 The  equipments  I  plan  to  install  are  as  below:
 
 -  2  HOB  filter  500lts/hr...so  that  even  if  I  clean  one  filter  the  good  bacteria  on  the  other  filter  carries  on  the  biological  filtration.
 -  Weipro  Protein  Skimmer  (Cause  its  at  the  cheaper  end)
 -  Denitrator  (DIY)
 -  Hydrometer
 -  Wavemaker
 -  2  power  heads  for  skimmer  and  wave  maker
 
 The  inhabitants  of  this  aquarium  will  just  be  a  pair  of  clown  fish  and  damsels.  To  speed  up  the  cycling  process  I  plan  to  use  bacterial  additives.
 
 The  water  that  i  will  be  using  will  be  tap  water  which  would  be  dechlorinated  and  then  filtered  through  a  DIY  filter  (PVC  pipe  with  activated  carbon  and   polyfilter  matter).
 
 I  still  have  to  research  about  salt  mixing  and  treatment  of  live  rocks  before  being  used.  If  you  have  any  effective  and  easy  methods  for  live  rock  treatments  then  please  share.
 
 Do  you  think  the  set  up  &  procedure  is  good  enough  for  the  inhabitants  mentioned?  Please  comment...  I  also  have  a  couple  of  doubts,  I  would  greatful  if  one  of  the  experts  could  clear  it  out  for  me.
 
 1)  Do  you  think  my  filtration  set  up  (2  HOBS  500  lts/hr)  is  good  enough  for  a  marine  aquarium?
 2)  Is  it  really  necessary  to  have  a  anemone  for  the  clown  fish?
 3)  Is  a  wavemaker  necessay  considering  I  am  not  planning  to  keep  any  anemones,  urchins,  corals  etc???
 4)  As  mentioned  above  I  plan  to  use  bacterial  additives  to  speed  up  the  cycling  process  which  according  to  some  websites  can  reduce  the  cycling  process  to  a  day...Do  you  think  it  is  better  to  let  the  tank  take  the  natural  course  and  wait  for  6  weeks??
 5)  Is  the  choice  of  my  skimmer  good  enough  for  the  size  of  my  tank?
 
 Your  help  will  be  very  much  appreciated.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Gyandeep
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Also  please  advise  the  appropriate  lighting  for  my  planned  marine  set  up...and  what  about  aeration?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi  Gyandeep,
 
 I  personally  believe  in  the  long  run  a  Sump  is  always  a  good  option  to  choose.  Most  people  have  been  unsucessful  in  keeping  marine  tanks  since  they  are  unable  to  keep  parameters  stable.  Sump  gives  you  the  versitality  to  manupulate  your  filteration  and  equipment  as  need  be.  Also  the  best  skimmers  are  usually  Insump  skimmers.  
 
 Many  advance  reefers  and  aquarist  will  vouch  for  the  sump,  close  to  20  -  30X  water  movement  which  inturn  will  take  care  of  the  areation.  
 
 You  dont  really  need  a  denitrator.  The  best  is  a  Waterchange  every  2-3weeks.(  around  30%).  This  will  take  you  a  long  way.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 1)  Do  you  think  my  filtration  set  up  (2  HOBS  500  lts/hr)  is  good  enough  for  a  marine  aquarium?  
 you  do  not  need  HOB,  Rather  go  in  for  correct  quantity  of  LR
 2)  Is  it  really  necessary  to  have  a  anemone  for  the  clown  fish?  
 Clown's  do  not  need  a  Anemone
 3)  Is  a  wavemaker  necessay  considering  I  am  not  planning  to  keep  any  anemones,  urchins,  corals  etc???  
 Rotating/alternating  wawemaker  do  not  work  well  in  the  long  run,  Try  getting  some  propeller  pumps  or  good  PH  that  you  can  place  at  opposite  ends  
 4)  As  mentioned  above  I  plan  to  use  bacterial  additives  to  speed  up  the  cycling  process  which  according  to  some  websites  can  reduce  the  cycling  process  to  a  day...Do  you  think  it  is  better  to  let  the  tank  take  the  natural  course  and  wait  for  6  weeks??  
 Wait  for  6  to  8  weeks  till  cycling  is  complete,  Do  not  use  these  additives
 5)  Is  the  choice  of  my  skimmer  good  enough  for  the  size  of  my  tank?
   i  have  not  used  these  skimmers  hence  cannot  comment,  Try  getting  the  best  skimmer  &  save  money  in  the  long  run,  Get  a  skimmer  which  is  rated  more  than  your  tank  capacity.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Lighting  for  viewing  your  critters  is  enough  in  a  FOWLR  tank.  You  do  not  need  anything  fancy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Thank  Rahul!!
 
 So  are  you  suggesting  that  no  external  filtration  is  needed  in  the  form  of  a  SUMP  or  HOB...Are  you  suggesting  the  Berlin  Filtration  method...Is  this  sufficient???
 
 Do  you  think  an  air  stone  connected  with  a  pump  is  necessary  for  a  marine  set  up?
 
 Thanks,
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Your  live  rock  will  be  the  best  form  of  biological  filtration,  You  can  use  use  some  form  of  mechanical  filtration  on  a  need  basis  but  not  required  continuously.
 
 Just  make  sure  there  is  sufficient  surface  movement  of  water,  No  need  of  air  stone.
 
 You  will  need  at  least  10  times  the  volume  of  water  to  be  circulated  every  hour,  This  should  more  than  take  care  of  aeration.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi  Rahul,
 
 Thanks  again,  Which  device  circulates  the  water??  Is  it  the  power  heads  at  both  ends??
 
 What  about  the  fish  I  am  planning..2  clowns  and  2  damsels...Would  I  be  overcrowding  the  tank  of  my  size.?  And  how  big  do  these  fihes  grow?
 
 Do  you  have  a  denitrator  in  your  tank?  Could  you  give  me  the  specs  of  your  tank  and  especially  the  equipments.??
 
 Thanks,
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi  Nirav,
 
 I  have  heard  a  lot  about  your  store  in  Laxminagar  from  a  colleague  of  mine.
 
 Is  HOB  not  enough  (One  on  each  side)  for  the  size  of  the  tank  that  I  am  planning??
 
 Are  the  live  rocks  sold  in  the  LFS  cured  or  uncured?  
 
 The  reason  I  have  planned  to  install  a  denitrator  once  I  begin  setting  up  the  tank  is  ,because  I  really  do  not  want  any  diatoms  in  the  tank,  which  is  inevitable  once  the  cycling  of  the  new  tank  is  over..So  the  ones  that  grow  will  be  scraped  off...but  then  I  also  read  that  diatoms  consumes  the  nitrates...so  to  balance  that  out  I  planned  a  denitrator...Please  correct  me  if  I  am  wrong.
 
 Please  also  check  your  inbox!!
 
 Thanks,
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 I  dont  think  any  LFS  sells  live  rock  in  their  store.  It  also  depends  on  how  long  back  was  it  procured  by  the  LFS.  If  it  was  procured  a  while  back  and  the  LFS  kept  it  in  his  tank  it  may  have  got  cured.  However  its  always  suggested  we  follow  curing  procedures  at  our  end.
 
 Well  come  what  may  diatoms  will  come.  When  parameters  change  in  your  tank  diatoms  will  come.  The  best  way  to  keep  them  under  control  is  with  the  use  of  RO  water,  Regular  water  changes,  Right  Dosing.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi  Nirav,
 
 Thanks  for  the  insight  on  the  Live  rock  front.
 
 Ok  so  once  I  preclean  the  rock,  and  put  it  directly  into  the  aquarium,  would  it  become  live  once  the  cycling  of  the  aquarium  starts.  Does  the  curing  take  place  as  well?
 
 I  also  read  somewhere  that  it  is  advisable  to  cure  the  rocks  separately  in  a  different  aquarium  with  a  heater  and  powerheads  for  a  month  and  add  it  to  the  cycling  aquarium  slowly??
 
 Can  the  first  method  be  followed  to  save  time??
 
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 If  your  tank  has  existing  live  stock  then  cure  it  somewhere  else  and  introduce  them  once  they  are  cured  few  at  a  time.
 
 If  you  tank  does  not  have  live  stock  you  can  cure  it  in  the  main  tank  itself.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 When  you  point  Power  Heads  towards  each  other  it  gives  you  a  nice  dynamic  flow.  You  can  also  use  closed  loop(not  needed)
 
 The  size  of  the  fish  depends  on  the  particular  species/variety.
 
 If  you  planning  pair  of  clowns,  You  will  have  to  introduce  them  to  the  tank  at  the  same  time,  Preferably  get  1"  ones.
 I  would  not  recommend  the  blue  damsel  or  the  yellow  tail  blue  damsel,  they  are  notorious,  Try  2  clowns(Amphiprion  or  percula),  1  blue-green  chromis  &  1  Jaw  fish/fire  goby.
 
 
 No,  i  do  not  use  a  de-nitrator,  in  a  well  established  marine  tank  ,  the  Live  rock  will  keep  your  Nitrate  at  0(if  bio  load  is  not  high  &  have  a  good  skimmer)
 
 
 My  tank  is  a  60  gallon  tank:-
 30  gallon  sump
 Aqua  c  Remora  skimmer
 approx  40  kg  LR
 Sun  Sun  Vibration  Pump  @  5000  l/h  
 Eheim  1250  as  return  pump.
 20000  kelvin  MH  @  150  watts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Thanks  Rahul!!!
 
 One  last  question,  Its  obvious  I  would  love  to  get  a  bigger  set  up...!!  Do  you  think  my  tank  specs  is  good  enough  to  begin  with??
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gyandeep
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Kindly advise in setting up a marine aquarium Reply with quote

 Your  setup  is  good  enough!
 
 Have  patience  and  go  slow.
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