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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 Hi  
 
 i  would  like  to  setup  a  pond  in  my  garden  
 i  have  had  the  garden  dug  up  to  setup  the  pond  for  about  a  3.5ft  diameter  round  one
 
 i  was  planning  on  doing  the  following  --  experts  kindly  advice
 
 1.  get  a  sintex  tank  that  is  3.5ft  in  diameter  and  chop  it  up  and  place  it  inside  the  ground  ,  i  will  be  making  the  pond  18  inches  depth  only  or  max  20  inches  ,  i  will  have  3  inches  of  the  pond  above  the  ground  level  
 
 2.  the  concrete  ponds  are  costing  me  2k  and  reaons  am  holding  back  on  them  are  cause  they  are  bulky  and  might  cause  leaks  
 
 3.  get  a  mason  to  build  a  round  pond  for  me  at  home  using  one  of  the  well  rings  (  the  rings  they  put  for  wells)
 
 i  plan  to  put  some  plants  in  it  ,  my  huge  pleco  ,  soem  gold  fish  and  leave  it  alone  ,  want  it  to  develop  into  its  own  ecosystem  ,  no  lighting  no  filteration  nothing  pure  natural  ecosystem
 
 await  responses
 
 thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 Hi  Ravi,
 
 Try  to  make  the  pond  at  least  24"  -  30"  deep.  Use  two  of  the  cement  rings  if  you  can.  Goldfish  need  cooler  waters,  if  you  are  not  planning  on  filtration,  aeration  you  will  have  a  lot  of  trouble  with  heat  and  oxygen  depletion.
 
 Not  many  plants  can  survive  the  wrath  of  an  overgrown  pleco  or  ever  hungry  goldfish,  I  suggest  you  add  a  lilly  and  some  amazons  which  can  grow  emersed.
 
 Cement  rings  and  concrete  ponds  will  keep  the  water  comparatively  cooler  than  plastic  tanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 I  would  like  to  help  Smile  ,  I  can  dig  a  pit  for  the  pond...  Cheer Up
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 the  pit  is  already  ready  for  the  pond  just  need  to  get  the  container  sourced  or  cement  rings
 
 @  suraj  ---  since  the  pond  will  be  inside  the  ground  even  tho  its  sintex  wont  it  be  cooler  since  it  will  be  inside  ground
 
 will  try  to  figure  out  how  much  those  well  rings  will  cost  me  for  the  same  
 
 i  can  go  for  some  aeration  instead  or  filtration  ,  have  no  electrical  points  in  the  garden  for  power  source  and  dont  want  to  do  ugly  DIYs  for  power,  
 
 the  pond  was  mainly  for  the  giant  pleco  which  is  my  wives  favourite  fish  and  she  doesnt  want  me   to  exchange  it  with  any  LFS  ,  
 
 i  might  have  some  carps  instead  of  gold  fish  in  the  pond  
 
 any  more  tips  --  i  plan  to  visit  sintex  on  friday  evening
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 Hi  Scralet,
 
 i  have  built  a  pond  in  my  garden  the  specs  a  little  bigger,  what  i  can  suggest  is  there  is  a  ring  that  is  available  that  has  a  bottom  too..  the  ring  they  use  for  the  well  does'nt  have  a  bottom.  it  becomes  a  problem  later  to  do  a  cement  job  and  all  that....  or  you  can  even  get  a  pond  done  by  your  mason  i  dont  think  there  will  be  any  leak  issues..
 as  for  the  aeration  there  has  to  be   a  sub-pump  or  you  have  to  keep  the  pond  really  shallow.  I  would  suggest  you  get  a  pump  from  the  SP  road  should  not  cost  more  than  1K.  I  have  been  using  one  for   almost  2  yrs  now...PM  me  will  give  you  some  leads  i  used  when  i  built  my  pond.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 Hi  Ravi,
 
 If  you  plan  to  have  koi  carp,  then  this  will  not  be  sufficient,  they  will  need  more  surface  area.  If  you  have  more  space  in  the  garden,  a  long  rectangular  pond  with  depths  of  upto  3'  will  be  nice.  Something  in  the  range  of  6x3x3  or  10x3x3  would  be  good  for  koi.
 
 You  can  also  think  of  pondliners  and  the  entire  pond  can  be  a  DIY  project.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 i  have  another  idea
 
 get  a  cylindrical  well  ring  with  base  
 line  it  up  with  white  cement  and  add  blue  tiles  chips  to  give  a  blue  look  and  just  add  some  left  over  gravel  and  add  fish  ,  no  plants  ,  no  aeration  ,  no  filter  
 
 will  it  work  
 
 will  have  it  2ft  depth  inside  the  ground  
 
 might  have  some  big  stones  inside  the  pond  for  some  fish  to  hids  and  feel  safe
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 What  provides  ammonia  and  nitrate  reduction,  oxygenation,  shade  at  noon?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 Are  you  serious  about  adding  fish  to  your  pond.  Confused  
 
 And  what  will  be  your  water  change  frequency.  
 
 Check  this  out  if  you  haven't.
 
 The  making  of  a  Ornamental  fishpond.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 hi
 if  you  can  find  it,  the  best  thing  u  can  use  is  pond  liner.  its  like  a  thin  rubber  sheet.
 look  at  this  to  get  the  idea  -  http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=pond+liner&gbv=2&aq=1&oq=pond+l&aqi=g10
 or  use  the  cement  rings.
 
 make  sure  that  the  pond  is  going  to  be  in  a  very  well  shaded  area.  as  the  quantity  of  water  is  going  to  be  very  less,  temperature  can  change  very  fast.  or  add  lots  of  floating  plants  for  cover.
 
 YES.  you  absolutely  need  live  plants  if  you  are  going  to  leave  it  alone.
 having  a  shallow  layer  of  substrate  is  better  -  u  can  use  rooted  plants.  otherwise  plant  them  in  very  small  pots  and  keep  them  in  the  pond.
 
 and  NO  to  goldfish  and  pleco.   Poke  
 both  produce  a  ton  of  waste-  they  probably  poop  more  than  they  eat  Rolling Eyes  
 so  your  water  is  going  to  get  dirty  very  fast.  and  you  MUST  have  an  air  pump  for  goldfish  or  they  will  swim  at  the  surface  all  day.
 
 the  best  low  maintanence  fish  you  can  have  in  there  which  also  look  great  from  the  top  are  MOLLIES  (get  some  big  4-5  inch  ones),platies,swordtails.
 3.5'  dia  x  20"  h  (cylindrical)  =  roughly  200  gallons  or  750  litres  of  water.  you  can  add  about  30   FISH  EASILY
 
 and  add  SNAILS  (apple  snails.  not  trumpet  snails)  they  will  do  the  cleaning.  and  add  HAIR  ALGAE  which  all  those  fish  and  snails  will  feed  on,  so  will  not  grow  out  of  control.
 just  refill  the  evaporated  water  and  change  about  50%  water  occasionally
 
 SO  SHADE  +  LOTS  OF  PLANTS  +  30  MOLLIES,  PLATIES,  SWORDTAILS  +  5  APPLE  SNAILS  +  HAIR  ALGAE  =  PERFECT
 
 after  that,  you  wont  need  to  touch  your  pond  again(not  even  feed  regularly)   Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 Without  filter  and  Goldfish!
 
 You  preparing  a  trench  for  them!
 
 My  filter  failed  for  a  day  and  I  lost  a  2  your  old  Koi  and  unfortunately  I  was  travelling  that  day!   Sad  
 
 One  good  thing  is  that  you  building  this  down  from  the  ground  level  and  it  is  relatively  easy  to  build  a  filter.
 
 Get  a  Plastic  Bucket  with  a  plastic  lid
 Make  a  hole  in  the  wall  of  the  bucket  near  the  base  to  fix  a  tube  which  is  for  the  water  going  back  to  the  pond
 and  make  one  more  on  the  top  of  the  Bucket  on  the  Lid
 Get  some  river  Gravel,  Bioballs,  Ceramic  Rings,  and  some  sponge  and  some  Plastic  Mesh  (Netlon)
 Make  Round  cuts  on  the  Netlon  which  will  act  as  the  separation  wall  between  the  filtration  medium
 
 First  goes  the  Gravel,  Next  the  Ceramic  Rings,  Next  the  Bio  Balls  and  then  the  Sponge
 
 Add  a  Powerhead  to  the  bottom  of  the  pond  and  bring  the  tube  to  the  top  of  the  bucket
 and  point  the  output  tube  back  to  the  pond
 
 Do  a  clever  camouflaging  of  the  pipes,  you  have  a  lovely  waterfall  which  takes  care  of  the  aeration.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 Please,  IYDM...  (sorry  before  hand),  I  just   cant  understand  the  kind  of  pleassure  one  gets  by  keeping  a  pond  and  viewing  the  fishes  from  above...?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

                                                   
garothmaan  wrote  (View  Post):                
Please,  IYDM...  (sorry  before  hand),  I  just   cant  understand  the  kind  of  pleassure  one  gets  by  keeping  a  pond  and  viewing  the  fishes  from  above...?
 
   Smile                
 Did  you  ever  see  a  good  pond  with  good  quality  koi  fish?  or  atleast  some  good  shubunkins  ?
 
 by  a  pond  i  mean  atleast  a  very  small  5000  liter  one.  pond  fish  are  DIFFERENT.  like  Koi,  shubunkin,comet  goldfish,  catfish,  etc
   you  cant  put  a  tiny  tetra  in  a  pond  and  expect  it  to  look  good  or  atleast  find  it.
 
 watch  some  youtube  videos  of  Koi  ponds.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 the  desire  has  again  resurfaced  
 now  that  the  repotting  has  been  done  at  home  and  my  pit  still  lying  idle  
 
 decided  on  the  following  
 
 1-  6ft  length  ,  2.5  to  3  ft  depth  and  about  3-4ft  wide  pond
 2-  going  to  be  built  by  a  mason  
 3-  filteration  will  be  a  DIY  with  a  bucket  filltd  with  media  and  using  submersible  pump  from  SP  road  
 4-  plants  will  be  put  in  pots
 5-  will  be  using  green  net  to  avoid  direct  sunlight  and  algae  problems  
 
 my  queries  now
 
 1-  other  than  KOI  what  fish  can  i  add  
 2-  i  dont  want  to  spend   too  much  time  doing  WC  and  all  that  ,  it  should  be  self  sustaining  
 
 any  more  tips  the  gurus  can  give  will  be  great
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Want to Setup a Pond in my garden -- pls help Reply with quote

 The  size  looks  good.  Whats  the  pump  flow  rate  you  considering?  With  you  size  you  have  mentioned  it  should  hold  around  1500  L  of  water.
 
 If  you  are  getting  Kois  most  of  the  plants  would  be  ruled  out.  I  even  tried  Amazon  and  Vals  but  they  get  uprooted/eaten  up  in  somedays.  You  can  give  a  try  to  bog  plants  and  Water  Hyacinth.  Floating  plants  like  duckweed,  water  lettuce  and  salvinia  will  be  chooped  off  as  soon  as  you  put  them.
 
 I  would  suggest  keeping  shubunkins  and  other  Goldies  if  you  want  to  keep  plants.
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