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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 I  did  put  up  the  MH  fittings  but  as  I  am  waiting  for  replacement  of  one  of  the  bulb  holders  could  not  complete  the  job.  I  am  getting  impatient  too.
 
 When  I  was  putting  up  the  light  fittings  in  the  twin  tank  -  Incomparable  -  7  years  ago,  I  did  not  realise  what  I  was  doing  wrong.  This  time  I  have  corrected  (over  corrected??)  my  mistake.  I  am  posting  a  picture  of  the  fittings  in  the  Incomparable  and  the  GLMT  for  comparison.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 The  glass  ordered  finally  arrived,  badly  cut  and  with  sharp  edges.  The  glass  for  the  sump  after  being  ground  to  remove  sharp  edges  has  been  silicone  pasted  and  what  better  place  to  do  it  in  but  inside  the  tank  to  which  it  will  act  as  the  dedicated  sump.  There  it  will  out  of  the  way  while  I  work  on  the  plumbing,  reflooring,  and  repainting  the  broom  cabinet  to  convert  it  into  the  sump  cabinet.  I  plan  to  put  all  the  MH  ballast  (5  of  the  GLMT  and  5  of  the  incomparable)  in  that  cabinet.  Remember  I  have  an  eight  inch  diameter  fan  connected  on  one  side  to  the  GLMT  (and  through  it  to  the  Incomparable)  and  the  sump  cabinet.
 
 Size  42"  X  18"  X  18"  but  I  intend  to  keep  the  water  level  at  12".
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 Can  a  screw,  screw  up  your  working?  Yes!  I  found  that  out  the  hard  way.
 
 The  MH  fittings  that  I  had  acquired  online  for  the  GLMT  had  very  good  looks,  light  and  were  most  probably  sourced  from  China,  manufactured  to  American  standard.  The  bulb  holders  were  in  pairs  for  the  two  ended  bulbs  neatly  built  ceramic  that  were  attached  to  the  body  of  the  fittings  –  with  screws.  
 
 The  holders  felt  loose  to  touch  and  that  I  thought  was  due  to  loosening  of  the  screws  from  the  vibrations  of  transit.  One  of  the  holder  had  even  come  off  and  broken,  I  had  complained  about  it  and  the  seller  had  couriered  the  replacement  promptly.  Not  expecting  any  problems,  I  tried  to  tighten  them  using  a  driver.  It  was  then  I  found  out  that  some  of  the  screws  were  too  short  and  just  made  it  to  the  screw  housing  of  the  body  of  the  fittings.  I  needed  longer  screws.
 
 Taking  one  of  the  screws  to  match  the  thread,  I  searched  all  the  places  of  the  town  for  the  size  I  needed,  I  was  willing  to  accept  even  longer  ones  for  I  could  always  trim  them  to  size,  but  the  thread  had  to  be  the  same.  The  thread  stumped  all  my  sources  as  it  was  American  standard  and  the  screws  used  in  this  country  were  usually  of  British  standard.  The  thread  had  to  be  matched;  the  screw  housings  were  raised  tubular  structures  made  of  what  looked  like  antimony;  too  fragile  to  be  tapped  to  change  the  thread.  The  other  alternative  was  using  a  slimmer,  longer  screw  and  then  drill  through  the  housing  and  using  a  nut  on  the  outside  of  the  body  of  the  fitting.  An  unacceptable  alternative,  to  be  accepted  only  as  a  last  resort,  for  it  would  open  out  unprotected  spots  which  would  corrode  in  the  high  moisture  atmosphere  of  the  aquarium  top,  with  time.  Unless  I  could  match  the  thread,  I  was  screwed.
 
 A  friend  was  going  to  Kolkata  (Calcutta)  to  get  some  supplies  for  his  business  and  offered  to  get  me  the  screw  if  it  was  available  there.  Beggars  cannot  choose,  I  put  the  work  on  GLMT  on  hold,  and  decided  to  wait  for  the  screw.  
 
 It  finally  arrived  yesterday  and  now  the  MH  are  wired  and  tested  and  working.  My  heart  is  working  too,  and  I  now  intend  to  finish  the  rest  of  the  work
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 When  I  decided  to  add  the  GLMT,  I  also  decided  to  reorganise  the  wiring  of  all  my  tanks.  All  the  wires  that  lead  to  the  tank  that  I  have  named  “Incomparable”  went  through  the  GLMT  so  I  was  forced  to  rewire  that  tank.  This  requirement  caused  quite  a  delay  in  completion  of  the  GLMT.  
 
 My  scheme  of  reorganisation  of  the  wiring  comes  from  the  necessity  of  relaxing  my  very  strict  routine  chores.  I  have  decided  to  use  timers  for  the  lights,  CO2,  and  aeration.  I  have  decided  to  divide  the  light  wires  –  part  of  lights  will  have  backup  from  the  inverter  –  the  rest  will  only  be  powered  when  the  generator  comes  on  for  the  longer  power  outages.  All  the  heaters  have  to  be  supplied  by  a  power  line  without  any  backup.  This  means  that  there  are  five  separate  phase  lines  with  one  common  neutral  going  to  every  tank,  and  another  phase  line  for  the  solenoid  of  the  CO2.
 
 The  six  phases:-
 
 1) Red  wire  –  No  backup  power  line  –  For  the  heaters.
 2) Blue  wire  –  Generator  backup  and  photoperiod  timer  –  2/3  of  the  lights  in  each  tank.
 3) White  wire  –  Inverter,  generator,  &  photoperiod  timer  –  1/3  of  the  lights  in  each  tank.
 4) Green  wire  –  Inverter,  generator  constant  line  –  For  the  filter  power-heads.
 5) Yellow  wire  –  Inverter,  generator  &  night  timer  –  For  the  aerations.
 6) Brown  wire  –  Inverter,  generator  &  CO2  timer  –  For  the  CO2.
 
 I  shall  need  just  2  timers  for  this  scheme  to  be  possible.  I  shall  use  the  timers  only  to  run  three  relays.  This  will  keep  the  loads  on  the  timer  low.  The  photoperiod  timer  shall  run  two  separate  relays  one  to  connect  the  blue  wires  on  its  on  period  and  the  other  relay  connecting  the  white  wires.  The  CO2  timer  will  run  a  single  relay;  it  will  connect  the  green  wire  to  the  yellow  wire  through  NC  and  the  brown  wire  through  the  NO.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 The  wiring  is  finished.  The  ballast  of  both  the  tanks,  GLMT  and  the  Incomparable,  are  in  the  sump  room.  You  see  the  fan  which  will  keep  the  2  tanks  cool.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 The  GLMT  is  finally  a  tank.  The  viewing  glass  is  in  position  and  I  will  only  have  to  wait  for  the  curing  to  take  place  before  testing  it  with  water.  Meanwhile  I  must  work  to  complete  the  sump  and  the  timer  system.  I  shall  also  have  to  wire  the  sump  room  for  lights  and  the  sump  pumps,  heaters,  aerators  etc.
 
 
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 I  just  filled  it  up  with  water  to  just  below  the  sump  overflow  level.  Now  I  will  spend  the  next  24  hours  with  my  fingers  crossed  (for  the  entire  period  when  I  am  not  working  on  the  sump).
 
 Wish  me  well.
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 All  the  Best.   Thumb Up   Its  not  just  you,  everyone  who  wants  to  have  GLMT  in  future  (read  me)  have  their  fingers  crossed   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 Well,  nothing  has  broken  as  yet.  I  can  uncross  my  fingers  and  not  look  suspiciously  at  the  GLMT.  Now  to  finish  the  sump  and  the  timer  circuits.  I  wish  to  add  a  10%  daily  water  change  to  the  GLMT.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 Essabee,
 
 I  first  read  this  thread  about  a  month  ago  and  I  have  been  following  all  your  updates.  Your  electrical  engineering  skills  and  your  knowledge  of  aquatic  flora  are  amazing!  There  aren’t  a  lot  of  people  in  India  who  can  duplicate  what  you  bring  to  the  hobby.  Or  people  whose  families  are  as  accommodating  as  yours  are!  :)
 
 Please  keep  up  the  good  work.  And  keep  posting  updates  on  the  good  work.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:33 am Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 Thankyou  Vicky
 
 
                                                 
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 Or  people  whose  families  are  as  accommodating  as  yours  are!  )                

 
 
 That  is  a  false  impression  -  to  get  rid  of  all  my  tanks  (they  are  numerous)  and  to  prevent  guests  from  questioning  my  wife  about  the  unkept  man  with  pipes  and  bucket  -  I  have  been  banished  to  the  terrace  along  with  my  tanks  to  live  between  the  stilts  of  the  large  cistern  and  look  after  my  tanks  housed  in  sheds  I  have  constructed  on  the  terrace.  For  a  good  measure  my  6  dogs  too  have  been  banished  with  me  to  live  on  the  terrace.  
 
 So  you  see  I  am  in  the  dog  house.
 
 Then  here  I  have  my  sovereignty,  even  though  it  is  only  a  postage  stamp  size  kingdom.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 :D
 
 I  stand  corrected.  But  you  have  also  pointed  out  another  something  you  have  that  most  hobbyists  do  not--space!
 
 Is  there  no  one  in  your  family  who  shares  your  interest  in  the  hobby?  I  mean,  posting  pics  on  IAH  is  good  (for  IAHans),  but  wouldn't  you  want  someone  at  home  to  appreciate  your  efforts?
 
 BTW,  have  you  decided  on  fauna  for  the  new  tank?  I'm  hoping  that  you  don't  go  for  the  usual  neon  tetra  school/shoal.  Because  everything  about  the  tank  is  different-from-the-ordinary,  maybe  you  should  go  for  a  baby  large  cichlid.  If  it  grows  up  with  the  plants,  it  might  treat  them  with  care  even  after  it  grows  up.
 
   .  .  .  That's  just  my  2c  worth  from  my  2  years  of  (in)experience  in  the  hobby.  Give  it  a  try  if  it  sounds  good  to  you.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 Elementary  my  dear  Watson:-
 
 
 Pay  attention-  1000  L  tank  -  high  lights  -  sump  filter  addition  -  10%  daily  water  change  ????????????????????????
 
 What  could  I  be  thinking  about?
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 Apologies,  Essabee,  any  guess  of  mine  would  be  incorrect.  What  is  obvious  to  me  is  that  you  had  the  flora/fauna  in  mind  when  you  set  up  the  tank.
 
 All  the  best!
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Glass lined masonary tank. Reply with quote

 Great  Job.
 
 Hats  off.
 
 Do  let  us  know  when  the  tank  is  up  an  running.
 
 Cheers.
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