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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 11:44 pm Post subject: Orandas Reply with quote

 So,  I  have  a  90g  sitting  and  I  want  to  set  up  a  fresh  water  tank.  My  experience  with  fresh  water  is  very  minimal.  I  use  to  have  4  angels  in  a  30g,  but  after  4  years  they  just  died  one  by  one.  My  wife  and  I  went  to  the  LFS  yesterday  and  fell  in  love  with  orandas.  Does  anyone  here  have  goldfish  tank?  Are  there  any  special  tricks  involved?  Can  I  aquascape  with  rocks?  How  many  GF  can  I  have  in  a  90g  and  can  I  have  plants?
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 Please  provide  the  dimensions  of  the  tank  so  that  goldfish  experts  can  answer  your  query  easily.
 Orandas  are  for  experienced  goldfish  keepers.You  can  have  rocks  but  there  shold  not  be  any  sharp  edges  in  the  rocks.
 You  should  have  better  filtration  for  goldfish  because  they  eat  lot  and  produce  lot  of  wastes.
 I  never  kept  Orandas  but  kept  fancy  tail  goldfishes  and  others,  IMO  Orandas  neet  a  good  water  quality  and  correct  temperature  to  survive.
 Hope  Gold  fish  experts  can  give  better  information  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Orandas Reply with quote

 The  tank  dimension  is  5ftx1.5ftx1.8ft.  I  am  thinking  about  having  a  wet  dry  filter.  would  that  work?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Orandas Reply with quote

 That  tank  size  can  easily  house  3  to  4  pairs  of  Orandas.  Have  a  fine  substrate  goldfishes  belongs  to  carp  family  and  are  diggers.Goldfish  not  necessarily  need  rocks  are  caves.
 IMHO  why  dont  you  have  different  type  of  gold  fish  such  as  pair  of  Orandas,  lionhead,  Pearscale,  Ryukin.
 Since  you  are  going  for  wet/dry  trickle  you  can  stock  5  pair  also  but  lesser  the  bio  load  less  the  water  change  and  vice  versa.
 
 Have  a  look  at  this  link  it  gives  you  basic  information  about  various  types  of  goldfishes
 
 Hope  your  FW  tank  looks  as  beautiful  as  your  SW  tank  Thumb Up
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 Treat  Orandas  as  any  other  Goldfish,  nothing  special  care  required  than  housing  any  other  goldfish.
 
 Goldfish  are  massive  eaters  but  should  be  fed  in  controlled  manner.  Everytime  you  offer  them  a  food,  they  will  happily  gobble  it  &  discard  them  as  poop  hanging  underneath  them.  Go  for  some  quality  pellets  food  like  Hikari,  which  would  be  beneficial  for  their  healthy  growth.  They  love  veggy  diet.
 
 Goldfishes  are  more  prone  to  diseases  like  bacterial  infection,  dropsy,  finrot,  whitespots  etc.  so  you  will  need  to  maintain  top  water  condition  to  house  them  and  need  to  keep  frequent  watch  on  their  body  and  unusual  behaviour.
 
 Goldies  prefer  cool  temperature  anything  between  20-26  degrees  should  be  fine  for  them,  its  not  that  they  can't  live  at  higher  temperature.
 
 If  possible,  go  for  power  filtration  as  possible  for  better  water  quality.  
 Bare-bottom  tanks  are  really  good  for  them  for  the  ease  of  cleaning  as  they  are  poop-machines.  
 Weekly  40-50%  water  change  should  be  fine  for  them.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Orandas Reply with quote

 Kr_dinesh  thanks  for  the  link.  The  reason  I  am  looking  for  substrate  and  rocks  is  for  aquascaping.  The  guy  at  the  lfs  said  not  to  put  any  live  plants  with  goldfish  cause  they'll  eat  them.  Is  that  true?
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 Yes  goldfish  eats  plants,BTW  how  is  your  money  pit,  I  love  your  tank  Cheering  
 where  are  you  in  Chennai,  I  am  in  Adyar.
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 I  started  out  in  this  hobby  with  a  Goldfish  tank.
 
 I  had  a  pair  of  each  of  Orandas,  Red-caps,  Black  Moors....  I  then  bought  Ranchu  and  gave  away  the  Red-Caps..  Then  I  bought  Ryukins  and  gave  away  the  Orandas.
 
 I  have  had  no  "casualties"  at  all  (among  Gold  Fish,  Silver  Dollars,  and  now  sharks).
 
 Filter:  Initially  500Liter/Hr  Power-filter,  later  1000Liter/Hour  Power  Filter,
 
 Substrate:  Initially  stones/pebbles,  Currently  Golden  Sand  (not  planted)
 
 Food:  Initially  Taiyo  pellets  (Bad  idea!  I  was  a  noob),  Currently:  Freeze  Dried  Bloodworms,  Shrimp,  Veggie  Flake  food  sometimes  live  Blood  Worms.
 
 Water  Changes:  Weekly,  at  least  50%..  (Have  enough  "media"  to  sustain  the  bacterial  colonies  in  spite  of  heavy  water  changes.  I  think  having  a  sand  substrate  helps  to  this  end)  
 
 Care:  The  primary  care  for  a  Goldfish  tank  is  to  figure  out  the  exact  amount  of  food  to  be  given  to  your  fishes.  Too  little  and  they  may  turn  out  stunted  or  thin,  Too  much  and  they  will  have  digestion  problems  and  will  poop  excessively  to  dirty  the  tank.  I  found  out  this  precise  amount  (of  food)  by  trial  and  error,  I  don't  know  if  the  experts  have  a  standard  method  to  do  this.
 
 Goldfish  don't  need  caves  to  hide,  but  having  a  few  big  rocks  or  driftwood  makes  their  surroundings  more  interesting..
 
 Until  recently,  I  have  had  zero  instances  of  any  diseases  among  my  goldfish  (except  indigestion  which  can  be  diagnosed  by  long  hanging  poop  and  cured  by  starving  them  for  a  day  or  two  and  adjusting  the  food  supply).  But  sooner  or  later,  some  of  the  Genetic  disorders  endemic  to  fancy  goldfish  will  show  up.  My  favorite  Ranchu  is  currently  suffering  for  Swim  Bladder  disease.  (There  are  a  few  possible  causes  (water  quality,  trauma,  bacterial  infection,  constipation),  I  have  eliminated  all  of  them.  Only  explanation:  genetic  disorder)
 
 Just  my  two  cents.
 
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 HI  Kr_dinesh,  I  live  in  Pensacola,  FL.  I  am  from  chennai  though  in  Annanagar.  
 
 Sidrock,  I  use  to  have  4  orandas  in  a  30g,  I  had  them  for  about  4  years  and  they  even  went  thru  Hurricane  Ivan,  when  there  was  no  power  for  3  weeks.  Then  one  day  they  just  started  dying  one  by  one.  I  think  it  was  swim  bladder  infection.  After  that  I  got  out  of  freshwater  hobby.  The  rocks  and  substrate  are  for  asthetics  only.  I  have  seen  people  grow  moss  on  driftwood.  How  do  they  attach  the  moss  to  the  wood?  I  would  like  to  have  a  piece  of  drift  wood  in  the  tank.  
 
 I  am  going  to  move  the  tank  to  its  location  today  and  I'll  post  some  pics.
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 You  can  grow  moss  on  driftwood,  but  you  cant  have  that  in  your  goldfish  tank.  Only  the  driftwood  will  be  left  because  Goldfishes  eats  most  of  the  plants.  But  i  doubt  whether  they  eat  moss  or  not  ,  please  post  this  query  in  Aquatic  Plants  and  Planted  Aquaria  sub  forum  in  IAH  So  planted  tank  experts  will  clear  the  doubts.
 
 Moss  does'nt  need  any  substrate  and  requires  only  low  lighting  and  easy  to  care  plant.  You  can  spread  the  moss  on  driftwood  and  tie  them  with  thread.  
 
 Please  go  through  the  Aquatic  Plants  and  Planted  Aquaria  sub  forum  in  IAH  to  know  more  about  growing  moss  on  driftwood.
 
 Post  the  pictures  of  your  setup,  have  you  bought  the  goldies?
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 Hello  gremlin,  I  have  1  pair  of  oranda.  These  days  i  am  finding  very  difficult  to  care  them.  Because  of  winter  i  am  finding  it  difficult  to  maintain  their  health.
 
 I  think  seeting  up  tanks  in  this  season  are  difficult.  Please  don't  mind  iamy  be  wrong.  Well  their  are  experts  here  to  suggest  you  regarding  this.  
 
 Filteration  is  the  most  important  part  cause  they  require  a  good  water  quality.  Regarding  aquascaping  drift  wood  will  look  good,  i  hope  you  can  add  gold  artificial  plants  the  plastic  one  to  decorate.  
 
 That's  it  what  i  can  tell  and  one  more  thing  do  have  good  quality  of  orandas.
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 Dinesh,  I  havent  bought  the  fish  yet.  I  just  thought  that  the  moss  would  add  some  colour  to  the  set  up.  
 
 About  the  filteration?  I  am  thinking  about  using  wet  dry  and  HOB  filters.  I  have  couple  of  wet  dry  filters  laying  around,  that  I  can  put  to  use.
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Hello  gremlin,  I  have  1  pair  of  oranda.  These  days  i  am  finding  very  difficult  to  care  them.  Because  of  winter  i  am  finding  it  difficult  to  maintain  their  health.
 
 I  think  seeting  up  tanks  in  this  season  are  difficult.  Please  don't  mind  iamy  be  wrong.  Well  their  are  experts  here  to  suggest  you  regarding  this.  
 
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 Goldfish  loves  cold  water,  so  i  dont  think  winter  cause  a  problem  to  their  health  as  in  mumbai  is  not  that  much  chilled.
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Goldfish  loves  cold  water,  so  i  dont  think  winter  cause  a  problem  to  their  health  as  in  mumbai  is  not  that  much  chilled.
 
                 

 
 
 
 Well  i  think  i  should  treat  them  with  rock  salt.  they  are  moving  upside  down.  A  week  before  i  treated  them  with  Rid  All.  By  the  way  what  prapotion  of  salt  should  be  added  to  water.  to  much  salt  will  harm  fishes?
 
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mmb19000  wrote  (View  Post):                
Goldfish  loves  cold  water,  so  i  dont  think  winter  cause  a  problem  to  their  health  as  in  mumbai  is  not  that  much  chilled.
 
                 

 
 
 
 Well  i  think  i  should  treat  them  with  rock  salt.  they  are  moving  upside  down.  A  week  before  i  treated  them  with  Rid  All.  By  the  way  what  prapotion  of  salt  should  be  added  to  water.  to  much  salt  will  harm  fishes?
 
 Sorry  off  topic  but  do  reply.                

 
 I  would  really  like  to  share  whatever  info  I  have..  but  it  feels  like  we  would  be  hijacking  gremlin's  post..  Please  post  a  new  thread  about  this..describing  the  symptoms  and  I  am  sure  experts  on  IAH  will  give  you  their  views..  If  not,  at  least  other  noobs  like  me  can  give  our  input.
 
 1.  Post  symptoms,  preferably  with  a  picture
 2.  How  long  has  this  been  going  on
 3.  Treatments  you  have  already  tried.
 4.  General  set-up  and  population  of  the  tank  and  other  info  like  filtration  and  heating  and  diet  of  the  fish.
 
 Here's  one  piece  of  info  you  requested:  http://www.allabout-aquariumfish.com/2009/01/marine-and-freshwater-aquarium-salt.html
 
 
                                                 
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Usually  for  treatment  purposes,  salt  concentration  of  0.5%  should  be  sufficient  and  this  can  be  achieved  by  adding  1  tablespoonful  to  every  gallon  of  water  that  you  have.  However,  if  you  intend  to  add  only  just  for  prevention,  1  tablespoonful  for  every  5  gallon  is  more  than  enough.                

 
 Regards,
 Sid
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