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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 Hi  
 
 what  plants  can  I  used  for  a  Brackish  tank  apart  from  mangroves  would  Java  moss  servive?
 
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 Surprised   Wonder  if  anyone  has  even  thought  of  Moss.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 can  we  get  live  mangroves?
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 you  are  the  man  Dev....
 search  search  !!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 Live  mangroves?  You  can  not  get  them  from  wild  but  if  there  are  some  nurseries,  you  can  try  them.  It  depends  upon  whether  you  want  to  create  a  mangrove  biotope  or  just  a  brackish  water  setup?  Setting  up  a  mangrove  is  exctiting  but  I  presume  it  will  reuire  lots  of  planning  and  hardwork  (finding  the  challenges  as  i  myself  planning  to  create  one)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 Just  out  of  the  box  thinking,  Since  a  lot  of  us  marine  hobbyist  battle  phosphates  and  nitrates  would  barackish  plants  do  well  in  a  refugium?
 
 Here  is  an  article  i  read  in  a  forum,  
 
 http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225475
 
 I  am  just  thinking  since  mangroves  are  known  to  be  used  in  marine  aquariums  and  have  proved  to  be  a  tremendous  value  add,  the  barackish  plants  would  more  or  less  do  the  same  job.  
 
 The  other  question  however  that  haunts  me  is,  in  most  of  our  freshwater  setups,  we  dose  Co2,  we  bring  down  the  ph  to  almost  6ish.  However  marine  aquariums  would  look  at  a  ph  of  8.2  -  8.4.  Now  how  would  that  affect  these  plants.  Barackish  systems  should  have  a  high  pH  too.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 Plants
 Best/hardiest  brackish  water  plant  species:  Microsorium  pteropus-Java  fern,  Hygrophila  polysperma   Dwarf  Hydrophila,  Sagittaria  spp.-  Dwarf  Sag.  Vallisneria  spp.  Giant  Val,  Echinodorus  tenellus   Junior  Sword  /Pygmy  Chain  Sword,  Ceratopteris  spp.   Water  sprite.
 
 All  fresh  water  sources  have  some  salt  in  them.  Sea  water  has  about  2.5  percent  salt  content  and  a  specific  gravity  of  approximately  1.025.  Brackish  water  systems  have  a  salt  content  of  1.005  to  1.012.
 
 I  have  written  an  article  on  brackish  water  fish  of  India  on  IAH.  The  photographs  unfortunately  have  disappeared.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 Thanks  Guys
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 Yes  Dev  you  can.....  I  am  trying  to  get  some  from  Mumbai  if  possible,  however  they  would  be  seeds  if  I  get  them  your  always  well  come  to  take  a  few.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 This  is  what  I  got  after  some  research  I  hope  its  the  right  way  to  calculate  
 
 Calculate  the  ratio  of  full-strength  seawater  to  tap  water  that  will  provide  the  level  of  salinity  required  by  your  particular  fish.  For  example,  Rainbowfish  might  do  well  in  1/10  seawater.  The  ratio  would  therefore  be  9  parts  tap  water  to  1  part  full-strength  saltwater.
 
 Step  2Prepare  full-strength  saltwater.  Use  a  marine  mix  sea  salt  preparation  designed  specifically  for  aquarium  use.  Mix  the  preparation  with  tap  water,  according  to  the  manufacturer's  instructions.
 
 Step  3Fill  your  aquarium  with  tap  water  to  the  level  you  previously  calculator.  For  example,  to  create  brackish  water  that  is  1/10  seawater,  fill  the  aquarium  to  90  percent  of  its  capacity  as  defined  by  the  aquarium's  manufacturer.
 
 Step  4Add  full-strength  seawater  in  the  proportion  you  previously  calculated.  To  create  1/10  seawater,  add  10  percent  of  the  aquarium's  listed  capacity  to  the  tap  water  already  in  the  aquarium.
 
 Step  5  
    
 HydrometerIf  you  are  preparing  brackish  water  for  a  fish  that  requires  an  especially  precise  level  of  salinity,  use  a  floating  hydrometer  to  measure  the  water's  salinity.  Place  the  hydrometer  in  the  tank  and  wait  for  it  to  settle.  The  water  will  cover  the  hydrometer  to  the  level  of  the  specific  salinity  of  the  water  in  the  tank.  Add  or  remove  tap  water  and  salt  water  until  you  reach  the  required  level  of  salinity.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 I  am  looking  for  mangroves  for  my  Mudskipper  tank,  which  is  yet  to  be  setup.  I  have  the  entire  picture  in  mind,  so  if  I  can  get  a  few,  say  3  mangroves,  I  will  be  extremely  delighted.  BTW,  Sunderbans  are  a  treasure  trove  in  this  regards.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 Deav,
 Recently  came  back  from  Sunderbans.  The  plans  for  the  Sunderbans  biotope  has  been  there  for  quite  sometimes  now.  We  are  not  allowed  to  get  any  mangroves  from  there,  but  there  are  some  mangrove  species  that  are  grown.  I  will  try  and  get  them  soon.  The  driftwoods  and  other  roots  used  by  the  villagers  can  also  be  used...just  waiting  to  get  a  clarification  on  what  is  legal  and  illegal.  These  are  the  fauna  I  have  identifid  for  the  biotope  i  plan  to  set  up----mudskippers,  fiddler  crabs  (red  as  well  as  blue),  puffers.....
 
 The  thing  I  am  trying  to  figure  out  is  (1)  what  soil  to  use  (the  Sundbans  mud  bank  or  something  else  (2)  how  to  simulate  the  tide  with  fluctuating  salinity.....
 
 Have  been  working  with  WWF  for  the  last  one  year  and  trying  to  understand  the  sunderban  biotope.  In  fact,  have  talked  to  the  villagers  and  if  there  is  any  one  who  wants  to  stock  brackish  water  stuff...may  be  can  help  him/her  get  it  from  the  villagers  too.  The  commonly  available  faunas  are----fiddler  crabs,  mudskippers  (at  least  4-5  different  species0,  puffers,  archer  fishes,  scats,  sting  rays....
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Need Help set up Brackish tank Reply with quote

 Nice  info,  will  help  me  greatly  for  sure.
 
 I  am  surely  interested  in  Fiddler  crabs  as  they  stay  with  Mudskippers  in  their  natural  habitat  as  you  have  already  mentioned.  
 
 List  of  fauna  for  the  tank,  Mudskippers  and  Fiddler  crabs.
 
 I  know  Mudskippers  prefer  live  food  so  what  is  the  best  option  in  this  regard?  I  also  have  heard  that  they  prefer  to  eat  the  food  out  side  water,  so  that  is  something  that  needs  to  be  confirmed.
 
 I  am  confused  about  the  braksih  water  per  se.  How  do  I  create  it,  just  by  adding  rock  salt  to  the  water?  If  yes  the  say  for  10  gallons  of  water  how  much  salt  do  I  use?  A  rough  estimate  will  work  fine.  How  mant  times  do  I  need  to  add  salt  and  at  what  quantity?  How  often  it  is  needed  to  do  WC  for  say  4  mudskippers?  Do  I  dose  more  salt  after  WC  to  bring  the  parameteres  to  optimum?
 
 Tank  query,
 Is  a  3  feet  by  18  inches  tank  sufficient  to  hold  them?  
 
 Just  for  info,
 I  am  keeping  Puffers  for  some  time  now,  they  are  doing  well  in  water  added  with  rock  salt.  Eating  well  and  no  mortality  at  all.
 
 Present  keepers,  if  you  guys  share  your  knowledge  then  it  will  be  very  beneficial  for  us.
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