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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 Dear  All
 
 I  have  been  reading  a  little  about  the  sump  systems  and  its  list  of  endless  benefits.  It  seems  that  every  one  is  bent  on  proving  that  ther's  no  system  better  than  a  sump  for  various/multiple  levels  of  filteration.
 
 I  own  a  70  G  marine  tank  and  currently  have  a  hang  on  protein  skimmer,  a  canister  for  mechanical  filteration  and  Live  rocks  and  sand  in  the  display  tank  for  biological  flteration.  No  problems  so  far.
 
 Am  thinking  of  upgrading  my  tank  to  a  six  footer  in  some  time.  Was  concerned  regarding  the  following.  Please  advice:
 
 1)  Is  it  advisable  to  have  a  sump  system  at  a  place  plagued  by  frequent  powercuts  (frequent  means  daily  in  my  case)  ?
 
 2)  can  we  run  a  6'x2'x  2.5'  aquarium  without  a  sump  (would  manage  hiding   the  hang-ons  maybe)?
 
 
 
 My  greatest  worry  is  the  power  cuts  and  at  all  times  ,  would  be  away  at  work.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 1)  Its  ok  to  have  a  sump  in  an  area  with  power-cuts  provided  a)  you  drill  the  glass  so  that  there  is  no  overflow  once  the  return  pump  is  off
                                                                                                                                                      b)  and  if  your  using  a  overflow  box  you  have  a  method  to  restart  the  syphon  
 
 2)  Yes,  you  can  run  the  tank  without  a  sump  but  it  would  be  better  to  use  a  sump  if  you  have  the  space.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 Hi  Srinivas,
 
 Yes  no  problem  using  a  sump  in  regions  of  powercut,  just  get  a  hole  drilled  and  it  will  work  like  a  charm.
 
 For  6  X  2  tank,  what  you  can  do  is  partition  the  back  6"  of  the  tank  and  convert  that  to  your  sump  area.  No  need  to  worry  about  oveflow  or  powercuts  in  that.  But  this  way  you  loose  one  major  advantage  of  the  sump,  i.e.  the  additional  water  volume  it  supports.  But  otherwise  you  can  get  all  the  versitality  of  the  sump  at  the  back,  it  can  hide  all  your  equipment  and  still  be  very  effective  like  a  sump  in  filteration  and  being  a  refugium  /  DSB  area.  
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 Hi,
 Like  Nash  pointed  sump  not  only  increases  the  water  volume  but  also  helps  in  circulation  of  water.  When  the  water  flows  down  from  a  display  tank  and  hits  the  sump,  it  gets  good  gas  exchange.  ALso  you  will  be  able  to  use  better  skimmers.  If  you  are  going  to  get  a  6ft  tank  get  one  that  is  reef  ready  i.e.  drilled  with  internal  overflow  and  convert  your  current  tank  into  a  sump.  
 
 If  you  are  going  to  build  the  sump,  make  sure  to  get  the  skimmer  first  then  cut  the  baffles,  because  you  need  to  know  the  proper  height  your  skimmer  will  operate  also  you'll  need  the  footprint  of  the  skimmer  to  determine  the  partition.  If  you  need  help  in  building  the  sum  lmk,  I'll  post  some  pics  of  the  sump  i  just  built.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 Dear  Gremlin..
 Please  post  you  pics..
 I  saw  your  tank  and  was  amazed..  a  dream  one  you  have...
 Also  please  suggest  at  what  height  (from  the  base)  should  the  hole  be  drilled  (  for  nternal  overflow)  and  also  how  to  make  it  leak  free.
 
 My  new  tank  is  months  away  (  not  sure  when  I  would  finally  have).  But  if  am  not  transferred  by  april,  things  are  gonna  move  fast.  Hence  need  to  be  well  instructed  and  prepared  for  the  same.
 
 Thanks  Nirav,  Gremlin,  Justshan  for  your  support.  Would  need  a  lot  more  of  these  in  days  to  come..  Cheer Up
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 Where  to  drill  is  space  specific.  Most  would  drill  either  the  side  wall  or  bottom  glass  and  have  a  Dusro  stand  pipe  build  in  the  chamber.  Basically  if  possible,  drill  at  the  bottom  and  use  a  bulkhead.  Make  a  box  chamber  around  the  drill  so  that  water  drips  from  the  top.  The  chamber  height  should  be  aprox  an  1"  below  the  expected  water  level  you  wish  to  maintain  in  your  tank.  Now  take  a  bulkhead  and  attach  it  to  the  drilled  hole.  From  there  take  a  pipe  that  stands  tall  till  a  little  below  the  Chamber  height  and  you  can  fix  a  Foam  peice  there  to  stop  the  gargling  noise.  From  the  bottom  side  attach  your  plumbing  to  take  the  water  to  the  sump.  Simple  isnt  it   Thumb Up  
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 Dear  Nirav
 If  I  drill  the  side  wall  at  the  bottom,  I  would  have  to  have  a  box  chamber  aprox  an  1"  below  the  expected  water  level.
 
 Can  I  drill  the  hole  directly  at  that  level  and  have  a  bulk  head  fixed?
 Would  this  option  eliminate  the  role  of  the  box  chamber?
 Is  the  box  chamber  important  ?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 Yup  you  can  do  that,  if  you  cannot  drill  the  bottom  then  drill  the  side  little  below  to  the  water  level  you  want  to  maintain,  because  you  will  need  to  use  a  90  degree  elbow  and  attach  a  strainer  so  that  your  livestock  wont  get  sucked  into  the  drain.  This  will  also  help  you  prevent  the  gargling  noise  when  the  water  gets  sucked  in  the  drain.  Depending  on  the  return  pump  you  may  need  to  have  2  drains  to  1  return.  Always  drill  the  drain  bigger  than  the  return.  In  my  opinion  drilling  the  bottom  with  the  overflow  is  the  best  bet.  Cause  all  your  plumbing  will  be  under  the  tank  than  running  on  the  side.  
 
 Another  advantage  of  having  an  internal  over  flow  is,  it  will  skimm  large  amount  of  water  from  the  surface.  This  will  help  remove  all  the  oily  stuff  that  floats  on  the  water  surface.  make  sure  to  cut  teeth  on  the  overflow  box  so  that  your  fish  and  snails  wont  go  into  the  overflow  (they  still  find  a  way  to  do  it  sometimes).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Sump System- advice sought Reply with quote

 OK.  Feel  should  go  with  an  internal  overflow  drilling  the  side  gass.
 Would  need  to  study  more  on  the  plumbing  part.
 
 Two  holes  for  flow  into  the  sump  and  1  return.
 Please  suggest  at  what  level  should  the  return  pipe  be  placed.  Since  drain  would  be  on  top,  feel  the  middle  to  lower  segment  should  have  the  return  form  the  sump.
 
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 Let  me  get  some  pictures  of  my  overflow  with  drain  and  plumbing.  if  you  are  going  with  the  internal  overflow  then  the  drain  and  return  holes  should  be  drilled  in  the  bottom.  Get  the  holes  drilled  by  the  aquarium  manufacturer,  because  some  aquariums  have  tempered  glass  in  te  bottom  and  will  shatter  if  you  try  to  drill  it.  I  dont  know  if  they  sell  reef  ready  aquariums  in  India,  if  they  do  then  you'll  be  better  off  getting  one.  WIll  post  the  pics  as  soon  as  I  can.
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 Hi  gremlin
 We  do  get  readymade  aquariums  in  India.  Mostly  imported  ones  (chinese  make  i  guess..  Sun  Sun  brand  is  the  most  common  and  there  are  others  with  chinese  incription)
 
 Reef  ready??????..  hardly  anyone  at  my  place  would  know  a  reef  can  be  kept  at  home.
 
 The  extreme  temperatures  and  demography  keeps  us  away  form  these  royalties.
 Moreover  very  few  enthuasist  at  my  place   and  rarely  would  one  shell  so  much  for  an  hobby  (people  are  surprised  at  the  money  I  spent  on  my  small  tank)
 
 I'm  planning  to  make  an  all  glass  one.  Will  have  the  glass  (form  a  local  store  drilled  as  per  specification)  and  delivered  at  home  and  have  a  LFS  guy  assist  with  the  building  and  sealing.  Had  my  currrent  one  prepared  the  same  way.
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 Oh  ok  got  you,  I'll  post  the  pics  of  my  overflow  so  you'll  get  an  idea  on  how  to  do  it.
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 also  do  you  get  bulkheads?
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 Bulkheads......,  have  not   heard  of  them  at  any  LFS  at  Nagpur.
 But  feel  could  procure  it.
 
 I  know  the  hole  size  has  to  be  proportionate  to  the  bulkhead  size.  So  would  act  accordingly.
 
 Nirav  (our  fellow  IAHian)  once  assured  me  that  he  can  assist  with  any  hardware..He  has  a  wonderful  online  pet  store..  
 Also,  I  frequently  visit  Mumbai  ..have  relatives  at  Chennai.....  can  hunt  for  one  definitely...
 
 Lack  of  such  expertise  (even  with  the  best  LFS)  is  what  makes  my  job  a  double  challenge.
 Hence  have  a  very  very  cautious  approach  towards  such  decisions.
 Preparng  now  for  something  I  would  be  acting   on   post  3-4  months  .
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 Hey  Srinivas,
 
 Bulk  Heads  you  would  get  at  an  hardware  store.  They  would  be  more  like  Threadings  on  both  sides  and  one  side  will  have  a  Washer  and  a  Nut  threading  to  tighten  it  to  the  place  you  have  drilled.  Commonly  may  also  be  known  as  Nipple  or  Jointer.  They  use  these  in  Overhead  Plastic  Tanks  as  well  like  the  syntex.  If  you  dont  get  it  let  me  know,  i  can  send  it  to  you.  There  is  another  hobbyist  in  Nagpur  who  is  also  setting  up  a  marine  tank  8footer.  May  be  you  could  get  in  touch  with  him.  His  name  is  Vipul  Verma.
 
 If  you  are  interested  to  get  intouch  with  him  let  me  know,  he  is  also  building  a  sump  and  has  drilled  his  tank.  You  can  probably  take  tips  from  him  and  also  contact  the  person  who  is  making  the  tank  there  for  him  locally.  Would  be  of  a  lot  of  help  since  he  has  the  experience  on  where  to  drill  and  how  etc.
 
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