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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 Does  anyone  know  any  methods  to  maintain  the  PH  in  planted  tank,  I  am  looking  to  attain  a  PH  between  6  -  6.2  
 As  far  as  i  know  these  are  some  simple  methods:
 1.  "PH  -"  liquids.
 2.  Increase  the  co2.
 
 ADA  amazon  with  also  decrases  the  PH  to  some  level  but  i  want  it  ard  6-6.2
 
 Any  experiences/suggestions  would  help   Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 The  important  thing  is  to  maintain  the  pH  steady.  I  am  afraid,  pH  liquid  may  suddenly  fluctaute  things.  Some  of  the  more  stable  approaches  are
 1)  indeed,  CO2
 2)  soils  or  substrates  that  reduce  PH  gradually--say  ADA  or  Fertil  Peat  Plates  (PRODAC)
 3)  using  Peat  moss  or  Lava  rocks  in  filtration  media
 4)Driftwoods  that  would  gradually  tan
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 Why  do  you  want  maintain  that  ph  in  a  planted  tank?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 RO  water/  CO2/  ADA  or  any  commercial  substrate/  Peat
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:44 am Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 Co2  will  do.beware  of  ph  up  and  down  magic  thing.it  would  certainly  work  but  is  not  good  for  fishes  and  inverts,and  costly  too.peat  is  a  safe  and  cheap  method.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 @bmukh:
 Yes,  the  important  thing  is  to  maintain  the  PH  than  to  attain.
 I  have  two  tanks  currently,  one  just  has  a  sand  substrate  and  some  fert  substrate  mixed  with  it  ,  the  second  tank  will  be  made  soon  and  will  contain  ADA  soil.  
 Now  i  want  to  attain  a  low  PH  level  in  both  the  tanks,  so  for  the  sand  substrate  tank  i  was  planning  to  increase  the  co2  and  keep  it  on  24hours  a  day  ?
 As  i  think  Co2  is  the  most  stable  approach.
 
 @sandeepraghuvanshi:
 I  want  to  grow  certain  plants  that  require  low  PH  and  grow  very  well  than  in  neutral  water.
 
 @Aquaholic:
 RO  water  ,  but  i  don't  have  a  RO  system   Sad  
 
 @jaws:
 Yes,  thats  what  i  am  scared  of,  don't  want  my  shrimps  to  die  and  fishes  on  the  surface.
 
 
 Another  thing  is  that  i  am  not  able  to  understand  the  approach  towards  peat  as  said  by  all  ???
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 Kshitij,  peat  is  pickled  organic  matter.  It  is  formed  in  swamps  with  very  low  oxygen  containing  water  and  harvested  wet  and  marketed  dry.  It  contains  a  lot  of  organic  acids  which  will  leach  into  your  water  when  you  put  a  packet  of  it  in  your  filter.  It  one  way  of  reducing  the  Ph  but  control  over  this  method  is  limited  and  the  Ph  will  vary.  
 
 
 The  best  method  to  get  have  a  steady  low  Ph  water  in  an  aquarium  is  to  premix  your  water  to  the  desired  Ph  using  peat  and  then  doing  water  changes.  Don't  doctor  the  in-tank  water.  Adjust  your  CO2  to  the  tank  and  don't  try  to  reduce  PH  with  CO2.  You  don't  absolutely  need  RO-water  (unless  the  water  supply  that  you  have  is  liquid-rock)  but  if  you  have  it  then  your  peat  consumption  will  reduce.
 
 
 P.S.  Best  of  luck  with  your  Eriocaulon  Sp.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 Kshitij,
 I  do  not  know  the  fishes  you  plan  to  keep  and  the  PH  levels  you  therefore  want  to  maintain,  but  most  FW  fishes  we  get  are  tank  bred.  So  go  easy  before  you  aim  for  too  low  a  pH.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 @essabee:
 Thankyou  for  the  explaination   Very Happy   ,  now  i  do  understand  the  peat  method.
 
 The  premix  thing  will  again  will  be  like  a  cling-on  always  and  furthur  i  may  loose  interest  in  it  and  therefore  may  not  prove  to  be  a  permanant  method  for  the  future.Can  you  please  explain  me  the  reason  for  not  adjusting  the  PH  with  the  co2   ?  I  almost  decided  this  method  as  it  is  the  easiest  and  a  permanent  one.
 [P.S.  Lot  more  coming  up  other  than  Erios  Very Happy  ]
 
 @bmukh:
 Fishes  will  be  tetras  and  ottos  along  with  some  shrimps  ,  and  currently  in  my  sand  tank  i  have  50  black  neon  tetras  and  RCS.  PH  won't  be  very  low  just  between  6.2  -  6.3
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 RO  will  solve  your  problem.  BTW  What  plants  are  you  planning  to  grow?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 Kshitij,  whats  the  PH  and  KH  of  your  tap  water?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 I  read  that  RO  water  can  be  extremely  soft  as  well  as  hard  and  that  it  is  not  possible  to  measure  the  pH  of  Ro  water  correctly.   Sad  
 what  about  the  blackwater  extract  to  mimick  black  water  environs?  Might  be  more  accurate  than  other  methods  right?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

                                                   
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Kshitij,  whats  the  PH  and  KH  of  your  tap  water?                

 
 Do  you  really  need  to  measure  all  that  to  grow  plants?  I  find  that  watching  the  plants  is  the  best  way  to  grow  them.   Smile  
 
 @  Nat  box
 RO  water  is  almost  pure  water.  Should  have  negligible  reading  of  pH,  GH  and  KH.  You  need  to  mix  it  with  your  tap  water  to  get  the  desired  pH  etc.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Maintaining PH for planted tanks Reply with quote

 which  brings  me  to  another  question
 what  is  
 1)gH
 2)kH
 3)dH
 Are  these  related  to  each  other  ,  if  yes  then  how?
 between,  sorry  for  barging  in  on  your  thread  buddy  Smile
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Kshitij,  whats  the  PH  and  KH  of  your  tap  water?                

 
 Do  you  really  need  to  measure  all  that  to  grow  plants?  I  find  that  watching  the  plants  is  the  best  way  to  grow  them.   Smile  
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 Not  really.  But  when  someone  wants  a  PH  of  6.2  -  6.3  then  I  think  he  should  at  least  know  what  is  the  PH  and  KH  of  tap  water.  For  example,  my  tap  water  has  a  PH  of  8.2  and  KH  is  13  and  going  by  the  suggestions  given,  how  much  Co2  you  think  I  should  be  pumping  in  to  get  a  Ph  of  6.2?
 
 My  tank  water  has  a  Ph  of  6.8  after  using  Amazonia  II  and  keeping  Co2  at  50  ppm.  And  yes,  I  would  like  to  measure  the  PH  and  KH  if  I  want  to  grow  Tonina  and  Eriocaulon  species.  Smile
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