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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: DIY Sump, Disaster... Reply with quote

 Hi!,
 I  had  been  using  Hamburger  Matten  Filter  in  my  planted  tank  for  almost  2  years.
 Now  I  wanted  to  replace  it  for  two  reasons.
 1.  The  foam  of  the  filter  has  given  away  and  need  to  be  replaced.  Also  the  the  grips  that  hold  the  foam  are  all  worn  out  and  need  to  be  replaced  too.
 2.  The  filter  NOW  seems  to  be  an  eyesoar  in  the  planted  tank.
 
 For  the  reason  1  any  how  a  filter  was  to  be  made.  But  for  reason  2  I  decided  not  to  go  for  a  Matten  Filter.
 
 The  branded  filters  were  beyond  my  budget  and  since  I  have  had  an  experience  with  the  marvellous  working  of  a  matten  filter,  I  did  not  want  to  compromise  on  the  quality  of  filteration.
 
 So  I  decided  to  go  for  a  DIY  Sump.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump Reply with quote

 I  was  reluctant  to  make  a  hole  in  my  main  tank.  So  I  would  let  the  water  over  flow  from  the  sump  into  the  tank.
 This  means  that  the  sump  must  (a)  either  be  placed  at  a  higher  level  than  the  tank  or   (b)  is  higher  than  the  tank  height.
 I  has  no  space  above  the  tank  so  went  for  option  (b)
 
 I  decided  to  place  the  sump  in  the  narrow  space  behind  the  tank.  So  the  depth  of  sump  should  not  be  more  than  4"  (the  space  between  wall  and  tank  is  6")
 Since  my  tank  is  18"  high,  I  decided  the  height  of  the  sump  to  be  24"
 Due  to  space  constrain  I  restricted  the  length  of  sump  around  20".
 
   Since  I  have  not  yet  started  the  process,  your  comments  /  modifications  /  suggestions  are  necessary  for  me.  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump Reply with quote

 As  it  is  clear,  the  sump  would  have  four  chambers  A,  B,  C  and  D.
 A  could  house  heater,  air  stone  and  CO2  reactor.
 B  would  house  ceramic  rings
 C  would  house  plastic  scrubs
 D  could  either  house  nylon  wool  (used  to  make  stuff  toys)  or  Active  Carbon.
 
 Since  this  would  be  a  DIY  project,  I  decided  to  make  it  with  Acrylic  instead  of  glass  to  give  me  a  hands  on  experience  with  acrylic  tank.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump Reply with quote

 i  thought  that  a  sump  is  meant  to  be  located  below  the  tank  and  not  above  it.  how  do  you  plan  to  get  the  water  in  to  the  sump  if  it  is  above  the  tank?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump Reply with quote

 Kunal,
 Notice  the  first  pic,  there  you'd  see  a  pipe  for  the  inlet  of  water.
 This  sump  would  be  powered  by  two  power  heads,  pumping  water  into  the  sump  from  the  tank.  The  out  let  of  one  powerhead  would  directly  go  to  the  inlet  pipe  of  the  sump  while  of  the  other  one  would  go  into  the  diamax  CO2  reactor.
 The  sump  would  not  be  at  a  higher  level  than  the  tank,  but  at  the  same  level  as  the  tank,  just  the  height  of  sump  would  be  higher  than  the  tank.
 The  tank  itself  is  18"  in  height,  where  as  the  sump  is  going  to  be  24"  high.
 
 I'd  try  to  post  each  step  of  making  of  the  sump  with  the  help  of  pictures  in  this  thread.
 
   I'm  still  waiting  for  suggestions/modifications/alterations.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Suggestions Required. Reply with quote

 Sir,
 I'm  stuck  with  a  problem  out  here.
 I'm  supplying  water  to  the  sump  by  500  lph  x  2  =  1000  lph  power  heads  with  the  pipe  dia  of  1/2".
 I've  taken  the  o/p  pipe  dia  to  be  1".  Do  I  need  to  increase  it,  to  avoid  overflow.  Or  is  it  sufficient.
 
 I  think  would  be  a  pressure  difference  in  the  Input  and  Output  of  the  sump  or  would  the  water  flow  out  of  sump  with  the  same  rate  as  in  input.
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

 The  project  has  finally  started.
 I  bought  a  3mm  sheet  of  Acrylic  and  got  it  cut  by  machine  from  a  local  advertiser.  (The  ones  who  cut  sheets  for  Glow  signs  etc.)
 
 I  had  to  finish  the  pieces  with  sand  paper  to  give  a  smooth  edge  to  them.
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

 Good  plan..
 
 Use  the  1st  Compartment  for  filterfloss,  then  the  scrubbies,  ceramic  rings  and  then  the  carbon..
 
 And  put  the  ceramic  rings  in  net  bags  for  easy  cleaning..
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

 After  filing  the  edges,  feel  it  with  finger  to  judge  the  edges  are  smooth.
 
 
 After  smoothing  the  edges,  the  protective  paper  on  the  acrylic  was  peeled  off.  The  whole  paper  with  a  single  smooth  stretch.  This  was  for  the  inner  sides  of  the  sump.
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

                                                   
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Good  plan..
 
 Use  the  1st  Compartment  for  filterfloss,  then  the  scrubbies,  ceramic  rings  and  then  the  carbon..
 
 And  put  the  ceramic  rings  in  net  bags  for  easy  cleaning..                

 
 Its  late  GatorX,  the  sump  is  already  ready  and  working.  Would  shift  the  media  at  next  cleaning.   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

 Since  in  this  particular  sump,  the  base  was  mere  4",  whereas  the  height  was  24",  so  I  used  quite  an  unorthodox  approach  in  pasting  the  sheets.  
 Instead  of  pasting  sides  on  the  base,  I  laid  down  side  first  and  then  pasted  base  at  its  edge.
 To  get  a  perfect  right  angle  I  pasted  four  erasers  on  the  sheet  with  the  help  of  cello  tape  and  fixed  two  set  squares  on  it.
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

 What  did  you  use  to  Glue  the  acrylic  ?
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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

                                                   
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What  did  you  use  to  Glue  the  acrylic  ?                

 
 I  am  curious  too.  Also  at  3mm  thickness,  that  is  fairly  a  thin  sheet  of  acrylic.Will  it  hold?
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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

                                                   
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What  did  you  use  to  Glue  the  acrylic  ?                

 A  super  glue  called  'bond'  is  sold  in  the  market,  used  for  gluing  acrylic  and  flex  sheets.
 This  glue  is  not  water  proof,  this  was  used  just  to  hold  the  sheets  onto  the  base.
 
 Thats  me  applying  bond  to  the  joints.
 
 
 The  Acrylic  sheet  was  held  perpendicular  to  the  base  and  the  bond  applied  to  the  joint,  the  capillary  action  does  the  rest.
 
 
                                                 
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 I  am  curious  too.  Also  at  3mm  thickness,  that  is  fairly  a  thin  sheet  of  acrylic.Will  it  hold?                

 Yes  at  least  6mm  sheet  was  required  for  the  project.  But  I  used  3mm  keeping  in  mind  about  the  baffling,  which  provides  extra  support  to  the  tank.
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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Sump, Project Starts Reply with quote

 This  is  how  the  sump  looked  after  gluing  the  joints.
 
 
 After  this,  a  thick  layer  of  Araldiet  was  applied  to  all  the  joints.  One  or  more   joints  at  a  time  and  kept  to  dry  overnight  at  an  angle  of  45%.
 
 P.S.  Some  precautions  were  necessary  when  working  with  bond.
 Wear  specs,  use  gloves  and  preferably  wear  a  mask.  If  some  of  it  drops  on  skin,  rub  it  off  with  mustard  oil.
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