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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Hi
 
 I  think  what  we  need  here  is  this.  
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 hey  guys
 
 went  to  a  friend  of  mine  yesterday.  he  has  a  planted  tank.  but  i  never  knew  he  used  soda  maker  cylinders  too  :D
 
 he  does  not  use  it  now.  so  i  borrowed  it  from  him  for  a  few  days.  to  test  mainly.  
 
 will  post  some  pics  in  my  next  post  showing  its  different  parts  and  all.  
 
 that  will  help  many  like  me  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

                                                   
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hey  guys
 
 went  to  a  friend  of  mine  yesterday.  he  has  a  planted  tank.  but  i  never  knew  he  used  soda  maker  cylinders  too  :D
 
 he  does  not  use  it  now.  so  i  borrowed  it  from  him  for  a  few  days.  to  test  mainly.  
                 

 
 Did  you  find  out  why  he  does  not  use  it  now.  Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

                                                   
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hey  guys
 
 went  to  a  friend  of  mine  yesterday.  he  has  a  planted  tank.  but  i  never  knew  he  used  soda  maker  cylinders  too  :D
 
 he  does  not  use  it  now.  so  i  borrowed  it  from  him  for  a  few  days.  to  test  mainly.  
 
 will  post  some  pics  in  my  next  post  showing  its  different  parts  and  all.  
 
 that  will  help  many  like  me  Very Happy                

 
 
 It  will  be  very  helpfu  if  pictures  are  posted.  I  wanted  to  know  it  as  soon  as  possible!!!!..
 
 If  possible  can  the  parts  be  tagged?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

                                                   
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hey  guys
 
 went  to  a  friend  of  mine  yesterday.  he  has  a  planted  tank.  but  i  never  knew  he  used  soda  maker  cylinders  too  :D
 
 he  does  not  use  it  now.  so  i  borrowed  it  from  him  for  a  few  days.  to  test  mainly.  
                 

 
 Did  you  find  out  why  he  does  not  use  it  now.  Confused                
i  have  no  idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 the  pics  -
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 hope  it  helps.  can  i  get  the  proper  names  of  these  valves?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Super  cool!  I  have  2  cylinders  lying  idle  with  me!  Let  us  know  if  you  guys  are  able  to  get  this  done!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Hi  Polya,
 
 Thats  simply  awesome!!  one  can  easily  save  big  bucks  using  that  setup.  Wish  such  news  come  early.
 
 Doubt:  will  there  be  any  problem  while  re-filling  the  cylinder?  to  dis-assemble  the  setup  before  a  refill.
 
 BTW  total  setup  is  looking  awesomely  small  &  cute  Very Happy  sweet!!
 ...plant  list  looks  nice  too  Smile  
 
 Cheers!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Refilling  is  very  straightforward.  Just  unscrew  the  cylinder  part,  and  go  get  it  exchanged  for  a  full  cylinder.  All  these  dealers  have  refilled  cylinders  always.  So,  you  save  on  waiting  time  too.
 
 Of  course  this  is  for  a  small  tank,  and  yes,  we  will  have  to  make  frequent  trips  to  the  refiller!  But  pressurized  CO2  at  low  initial  cost!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 I  hope  it  works.  I  have  a  couple  of  soda  maker  cylinders  lying  around.  It  could  only  be  useful  for  a  Micro  panted  tank.
 
 Anyhow  if  it  does  not  work  you  could  make  a  soda  and  pour  it  in  the  tank  the  way  Takashi  Amano  did  way  back  in  the  70's.   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I  still  believe  regular  cylinders  are  the  right  way  to  go,  Safe  and  sound.  These  cylinders  can  sometimes  rocket  as  well.  I  have  had  a  first  hand  experience  of  it  myself.  Where  the  adapter  failed  and  the  cylinder  rocked  my  8"  Flowherhorn  and  that  was  the  last  time  i  saw  him  alive.  The  cylinder  broke  through  the  tank  wall  and  hit  the  Flowerhorn  making  a  4"  diameter  hole  in  him.
 
 Suneeshkachroo  was  present  at  the  time  the  incident  happened  and  he  was  running  helter  skelter  for  himself.  Since  the  cylinder  was  lying  in  my  balcony  and  he  had  stepped  out  to  take  a  look  at  the  flowerhorn  and  the  cylinder  gave  away  just  then,  hit  the  FH  first  and  then  hit  his  leg.  Luckly  his  leg  did  not  get  any  major  injuries  and  he  managed  to  jump  through.  Had  the  cylinder  flown  in  the  other  direction  it  would  have  jumed  out  of  my  balcony  and  probably  hit  someone  below  or  broken  a  car  windshield.
 
 I  think  its  good  for  those  who  dont  have  space  around  the  tanks,  Two  the  cylinders  are  quiet  cheap,  actually  these  are  known  as  cartridges,  a  lot  of  paintball  guns  /  Pressure  guns  use  similar  cylinders.  You  should  easily  get  them  at  Fire  extinguisher  vendors,  Cost  roughly  close  to  Rs  1XX  -  Rs  3XX  depending  on  capacity  300gms  to  500gms  and  quality  of  cylinder.  However  these  would  not  last  more  than  25  -  30  days  and  you  would  aprox  pay  the  amout  above  everytime  you  go  to  exchange  it.  Which  eventually  across  the  year  will  be  a  lot  more  expensive.  
 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  your  true  story  post,  Nirav.
 
 I  have  posted  several  times  about  the  dangers  of  pressurized  CO2.  
 
 But  nothing  beats  learning  from  actual  experience  I  suppose.  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Hi  Trevor,
 
 After  reading  this  post  it  just  reminds  me  of  an  episode  of  I  shouldnt  be  alive  on  Discovery,  where  a  team  of  best  friends  along  with  their  father's  hooked  on  a  small  plane  to  go  fishing,  The  friend  to  save  money  bought  Life  Jackets  costing  $4  thinking  what  the  heck  its  just  not  going  to  be  used  and  the  shop  offered  a  50%  refund  if  the  jackets  were  returned  unused.  So  he  bought  it,  the  plane  then  went  into  a  storm  on  mexico  sea  and  crashed  in  the  sea.  Well  the  sad  part,  the  fathers  couldnt  fit  inside  the  jacket  since  they  were  too  small  and  meant  for  Children  upto  the  age  of  12  only.
 
 I  guess  folks  are  trying  the  same  here  and  putting  the  life  of  their  fish  &  family  at  danger.  Since  that  incident  with  a  300gm  cylinder  i  have  swithced  to  a  regular  4Kg  Cylinder  and  never  had  any  trouble  with  it.  I  pay  Rs  6X  for  refilling  the  cylinder  and  it  last  for  nearly  6-7months!.  After  2  years  i  think  i  have  saved  more  than  a  few  hundreds  on  refilling  and  definitely  sleep  a  lot  peacefully.
 
 
 
 In  the  above  picture  the  area  between  the  cylinder  Pin  ball  valve,  right  upto  the  regulator  in  a  complete  stress  Zone.  Now  each  time  this  cylinder  is  being  refilled  the  Cylinder  pin  valve  and  the  regulator  adaptor  will  be  opened.  Everytime  its  reseater  some  wear  and  tear  of  the  threading  will  happen  and  someday  it  will  eventually  give  away.  Also  the  adaptor  can  only  handle  an  X  amount  of  pressure.  If  the  cylinder  is  filled  with  incorrect  pressure  which  will  happen  a  lot  of  times  given  the  premature  ways  cylinders  are  filled  in  our  country  you  are  putting  things  at  hughe  risk.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 To  check  out  how  the  soda  cylinder  looks  like,  I  have  been  to  a  shop.  I  asked  the  shop  keeper  to  show  me  the  soda  maker  (Mr  Butlers  Sode  Maker).  He  removed  the  cylinder  from  the  soda  maker  and  showed  me  how  the  cylinder  looks  like.
 
 The  area  where  the  cylinder  is  screwed  too,  is  made  up  of  plastic!!!!!!  Only  the  clyinder  is  made  of  metal.  All  other  parts  of  the  soda  maker  is  made  up  of  plastic!!!!
 
 Here  I  have  a  serious  doubt!!!!  How  the  plastic  is  able  to  hold  the  pressure  of  the  cylinder?  Its  totally  contradicting  with  the  information  provided  earlier.  Can  anyone  explain  this?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 Any  pressurized  cylinder  should  be  handled  with  care  especially  in  a  residential  environment.  Gas  escaping  at  a  very  high  speed  from  a  pressurized  container  will   cause  it  to  behave  as  a  rocket.
 
 Hence  any  cylinder  should  be  securely  anchored  and  restrained  to  something  solid  as  a  wall  and  preferable  kept  outdoors  (  ofcourse  out  of  direct  sun).
 
 JosyJames,  
 The  CO2  bottle  in  the  sodamaker  has  a  release  pin  that  has  to  be  depressed  so  that  the  gas  comes  out  (  Similar  to  the  pin  in  a  automobile  tyre  tube).  This  pin  is  pressed  during  the  soda  making  action.   The  reason  why  the  soda  maker  coupler  is  made  of  plastic  is  so  that  even  it  breaks  it  will  not  be  able  to  depress  the  pin  on  the  cylinder.   There  is  gas  coming  out  of  the  cylinder  only  when  you  press  the  lever  to  make  soda.
 
 Nirav  has  a  valid  point  regarding  the  potential  of  failure  of  threaded  joints  on  repeated  loosening  and  tightening.  While  this  is  there  in  case  of  large  cylinder  also,  it  is  assumed  that  due  to  the  volume  of  the  cylinder  you  have  to  do  lesser  number  of  refills.  Needless  to  say  that  the  danger  of  a  joint  failure  exists  there  also  but  another  assumption  is  that  you  are  using  quality  material  for  your  regulators  and  other  connections.
 
 Once  again  remember  you  are  working  with  a  pressurized  cylinder  and  you  have  to  take  precautions.  Do  not  put  yours  or  your  families  life  in  danger.
 
 Regards,
 
 jacob
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