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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:32 am Post subject: Beta's Julies Reply with quote

 Beta,  how  big  are  the  Julies  featured  in  the  photo  gallery?  and  how  old?
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 They  must  be  around  3  inches  and  about  6  months  old.
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 The  reason  for  my  asking  is  that  the  fish  in  the  picture  looks  to  me  more  like  J.ornatus  than  regani,  are  you  sure  of  the  ID?
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 I'm  very  sure.  J.  Ornatus  is  an  uncommon  variety,  its  rare  even  in  Singapore.  Regani  has  a  few  variants  which  must  be  why  your  mislead
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J.  Ornatus  is  an  uncommon  variety                

 Strange  u  should  say  that,  it  was  the  first  julie  in  aquaria  and  the  first  one  bred.  They  are  quite  common  the  the  US  and  there  is  even  an  albino  strain.
 All  the  regani  I  have  seen  have  had  vertical  striations  on  their  tail,  yours  don't  seem  to  have  any,  hence  the  doubt.
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 Rahul,  Beta  I  am  sure  was  refering  to  J.  ornatus  as  an  uncommon  variety  as  available  to  us  in  India.
 It  is  practically  impossible  for  us  here  to  get  any  Tanganyikan  cichlids.  Malawi  cichlids  are  available  and  Beta  and  Venkat  kind  of  pioneered  breeding  them.
 
 Tanganyikan  cichlids  are  another  matter  ....sigh....  and  when  available  are  prohibitively  expensive.


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 Madan,  you're  a  mind  reader  Very Happy
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 The  stripe  on  the  tail  is  not  a  distinguishing  factor  between  Ornatus  and  Regani,  Regani  Kipli  and  the  Gombi  var.  for  instance  does  not  have  a  stripe  on  its  tail.  
 I  think  ornatus  has  only  3  horizontal  stripes  on  its  body  and  has  a  richer  yellow  base.  But  after  all  this  i  could  be  wrong  as  i  have  never  seen  an  "Ornatus"  in  "flesh".
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 My  take  on  the  "uncommon"  bit  was  that  given  the  history  of  this  fish  it  should  be  the  variety  most  commonly  available  i.e.  if  J.regani  are  available,  then  why  not  J.ornatus,  which  is  afterall  the  smaller  and  easier  fish  to  maintain.
 Anyway  the  ID  will  be  confirmed  by  the  ultimate  size  of  the  fish..J.ornatus  will  not  grow  much  more,  regani  will  reach  4-5"
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 Well,
 
 These  Indian  wholesale  "breeders"  if  I  may  call  them  so....  more  exactly  ignoramusus......  do  not  know  their  a*.e  from  their  elbow  when  it  comes  to  maintaining  Strain  purity.
 
 These  julies  should  not  be  housed  together  as  they  will  interbreed.
 I  wouldn't  surprise  me  if  there  is  some  cross  breeding  involved  here.
 
 I  know  of  one  breeder  who  doses  an  excess  of  male  hormones  in  order  to  increase  the  testrosterone  (  fish  equivalent  of..)  levels  in  females  so  that  they  take  on  a  male  colouring  and  turn  sterile  too.  This  is  in  addition  to  pigment  injection  subcutaneous  or  orally  so  that  he  has  great  sales  and  no  one  else  can  breed  the  fish.
 
 Well,  I'll  let  Beta  elaborate  on  how  he  overcame  this.
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 Unfortunately,  this  is  a  problem  that  is  widespread  throughout  S.Asia.  I  have  seen  stock  lists  from  exporters  that  "proudly"  offer  dyed/juiced  up  fish..even  severums  Mad  
 On  other  forums  based  in  Europe  and  the  US,  the  most  common  complaint  seems  to  be  the  poor  quality  of  fish  mass  produced  in  Asia  and  the  most  common  advise  is  to  avoid  like  the  plague  any  fiah  from  Asia  if  u  want  to  breed  them.
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