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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new stand. Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 First:
 
 I  have  an  existing  metal  stand.  It  has  about  700  Kgs  of  tank  and  water  on  it.  I  need  to  drill  holes  in  the  stand  so  that  a  carpenter  can  fix  plywood  on  it  so  that  it  appears  to  be  a  cabinet.  Removing  the  tank  and  then  getting  the  holes  drilled(6-8mm  holes)  and  fixing  the  plywood  will  involve  too  much  effort,  if  there  is  no  way  to  get  this  done  with  out  removing  the  tank  then  i  wont  even  try.  If  its  possible  to  get  this  done  with  the  tank  as  is  then  im  happy.  (i  can  reduce  the  water  level  during  the  procedure,  but  do  not  see  the  point  in  doing  so.  The  middle  Legs  will  have  only  2  holes  each,  and  the  corner  legs  will  have  4  holes  each.  (2  on  each  side  of  the  angle).  My  cousin  who  made  the  stand  over  engineered  the  stand  so  that  it  can  support  about  2  tons  of  weight  normally.  I  dont  expect  the  stand  to  buccle  due  to  drilling  holes  in  them.  Just  need  to  know  if  this  can  be  done  safely,  and  any  precautions  i  need  to  take.
 
 Second:
 
 I  need  to  get  a  brand  new  stand  for  a  60X30X37  cm  tank.  I  need  the  stand  to  be  3.5  feet  tall  to  accomodate  a  rather  large  CO2  cylinder  inside.  I  need  this  to  look  as  good  as  possible,  as  its  going  to  be  for  a  hi  tech  setup  "with  all  bells  and  whistles".  The  tank  with  the  substrate  and  water  would  weigh  just  under  100Kg  (  assuming  a  higher  weight  to  be  on  the  safe  side).
 
 Stand  will  be  custom  made,  so  i  need  to  know  the  material  to  use.  I  spoke  to  a  carpenter  and  he  said  that  3/4"  plywood  can  be  used  and  it  will  take  the  weight.  I  on  the  other  hand  am  not  so  certain.  What  material  is  good  for  this  kind  of  a  stand?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 Here  is  a  link  to  an  earlier  thread  where  a  picture  of  the  stand  is:
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 Hi  Preeths,
 
 If  you  are  planning  to  cover  with  3/4"  plywood,  then  I  would  suggest  not  to  drill  hole  in  the  metal  stand.  You  can  screw  the  plywoods  together  as  the  thickenss  is  3/4".
 
 The  front  piece  plywood  should  be  on  the  top  of  the  side  piece.  Screw  the  plywoods  together.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 HI  Preeths,
 
 I  hope  you  understood  on  how  to  clamp...  :)
 
 Call  me  if  you  need  some  more  information.
 
 
 Regards'
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 Wow!!  man,  exactly  same  situation  here  with  a  smaller  500kg  tank.  Want  a  cabinet.
 
 So  James,
 
 I  suppose  that  will  leave  Preetham's  Plywood  saging  on  to  the  floor?If  thats  what  Preetam  wants  then  fine.
 Else  with  your  idea,  we  can  just  punch  in  a  hole  on  each  leg  to  hold  up  the  ply  over  the  ground?(just  like  we  wear  Lungi)  Very Happy  
 
 Preetam,
 I  am  planning  to  go  with  your  1st  option.
 With  this  position  of  holes,  and  with  just  4legs  to  spare.
 
 That  means  4holes  on  one  leg  totally  16  on  4  legs,  each  is  a  L  of  1inch.
 Will  probablly  go  for  5mm  drill,  so  that  I  dont  hurt  Strain  of  the  leg.
 5mm/25mm  shouldnt  be  an  issue  in  such  heavy  duty  metal.
 
 To  add  to  that  will  be  also  sandpapering  the  leg  to  remove  paint  and  apply  silicon  where  its  screwed,  to  firm  it  up.
 Also  will  be  adding  the  "L"  angles  to  hold  the  Plywood,  as  I  will  go  for  may  be  just  a  5mm/8mm  ply  with  decolum  on  it.
 Like  this.
 
 +  a  8mm  ply  as  the  bottom.
 
 Hope  that  helps  Preeths.
 I  am  a  super  lazy  guy,  to  do  mine  soon.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 The  first  option  is  for  an  existing  setup.  
 
 @josyjames  I  have  dismissed  that  option  for  the  simple  reason  it  wont  work  long  term  and  the  asthetics  part.  
 
 @Saikumar.  The  normal  silicone  wont  stick  to  metal  or  wood.
 
 
 
                                                 
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Wow!!  man,  exactly  same  situation  here  with  a  smaller  500kg  tank.  Want  a  cabinet.
 
 So  James,
 
 I  suppose  that  will  leave  Preetham's  Plywood  saging  on  to  the  floor?If  thats  what  Preetam  wants  then  fine.
 Else  with  your  idea,  we  can  just  punch  in  a  hole  on  each  leg  to  hold  up  the  ply  over  the  ground?(just  like  we  wear  Lungi)  Very Happy  
 
 
 Cheers!  Thumb Up                

 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 I  have  the  same  situation  with  a  4x1.5x1.5  tank.  Estimated  weight  (with  the  wooden  cover)  is  close  to  300-350  kgs.
 
 I  was  wondering  if  we  can  just  stick  the  plywood  (or  just  the  hinges)  to  the  metal  stand  with  some  industrial-strength  adhesive?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 A  Visit  to  the  local  hinges  market  will  help.  You  get  certain  Glass  Hinges  which  Fix  like  Clamps,  One  side  will  Clamp  on  the  Iron  Angle  and  the  other  side  on  your  wooden  Ply  /  Board.
 
 Other  alternate  is  to  get  to  your  local  stand  maker  and  ask  him  to  get  his  portable  welding  machine  home,  most  of  them  should  have  one,  especially  the  ones  that  make  window  grills,  then  get  regular  hinges  and  ask  him  to  weld  the  hinges  on  the  Stand.  Once  done  you  can  then  drill  holes  in  the  ply  /  board  and  fix  the  hinges  with  screws.
 
 I  have  used  both  the  above  methods  and  is  very  easy.  Both  may  cost  the  same  since  the  hinges  in  the  first  one  is  a  little  expensive  and  in  the  second  one  the  hinges  are  cheap  but  the  welder  will  charge.
 
 You  can  also  use  5mm  drills  directly  on  the  stand  legs,  if  your  angle  is  thick.  Just  get  two  holes  drill  and  fix  a  Hinge  using  Nut  Bolts.  However  this  will  compromise  a  wee  bit  on  the  strength  of  the  angle  if  your  angle  is  not  very  thick.  1.5mm  thickness  angle  should  have  no  issues  in  drilling.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 Be  careful  when  drilling  the  frame  as  vibrations  could  damage  the  tank
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 The  angles  are  6mm  thick,  30mm  each  side  and  pretty  sturdy.  I  dont  expect  the  stand  to  collapse  due  to  drilling.  Welding  on  the  other  hand  might  be  a  bit  dangerous  due  to  the  metal  heating  up.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 Very Happy  
 
 Preets,
 
 Did  some  progress  man  Thumbs Up  
 Thanks  to  Nirav  for  his  facts.  Thumb Up  
 
 Few  pics  to  do  the  talk.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Good  luck  bro...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 OK,
 
 I  decided  to  do  it  in  a  simpler  way.  Paste  Ply  on  three  sides  using  industrial  strength  glue.  Make  the  front  as  two  drawers.  No  moving  of  stand  or  drilling  required.  Got  some  suggestions  for  the  glue  need  to  test  out  the  concept.  either  way  this  will  be  done  with  some  professional  help  to  get  a  good  finish.
 
 Got  the  hood  and  seperate  cabinet  like  stand  for  a  2  feet  tank.,  all  i  am  lacking  now  is  time  to  set  up  the  tank.  Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

                                                   
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OK,
 
 I  decided  to  do  it  in  a  simpler  way.  Paste  Ply  on  three  sides  using  industrial  strength  glue.  Make  the  front  as  two  drawers.  No  moving  of  stand  or  drilling  required.  Got  some  suggestions  for  the  glue  need  to  test  out  the  concept.  either  way  this  will  be  done  with  some  professional  help  to  get  a  good  finish.
 
 Got  the  hood  and  seperate  cabinet  like  stand  for  a  2  feet  tank.,  all  i  am  lacking  now  is  time  to  set  up  the  tank.  Sad                

 
 Yes,  using  industrial  strength  adhesive  was  always  the  easiest  (maybe  even  the  cheapest)  option.
 
 About  the  idea  to  go  for  drawers  in  the  front  face  of  the  stand:  From  the  weight  you  mentioned  (700kg),  I  assume  your  tank  is  about  5  to  6  ft  long.  So  you're  drawers  will  be  around  2.5-3  feet.
 
 I  don't  know  if  you  can  have  drawers  that  big  (and  heavy  as  they  will  be  of  plywood)  just  resting  on  the  stand.  You  will  have  problems  opening  and  closing  these  drawers.  In  my  opinion,  you  will  need  that  "roller"  assembly  similar  to  one  used  for  kitchen  drawers.
 
 This  too  is  usually  attached  to  the  surfaced  with  a  screw.  However,  you  can  considering  using  the  same  industrial  strength  adhesive  to  stick  these  roller  assemblies  to  your  stand.
 
 If  you  do  a  bit  of  research  and  get  the  right  adhesive,  you  won't  have  to  worry  about  the  strength  of  this  build.  They  build  cars  using  adhesives  instead  of  welds,  bolts  or  rivets  to  keep  weight  and/or  costs  down.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

 Its  a  5  feet  tank,  have  it  for  around  two  years  now.  The  stand  is  super  strong.   I  am  more  worried  about  the  looks  rather  than  function  of  the  drawers.  Thats  the  reason  i  wanted  to  cover  it  up.  I  dont  mind  2.5  feet  drawers,  so  much  more  easier  to  dump  all  my  aquarium  related  stuff  inside.  The  whole  thing  does  not  have  to  be  strong,  as  long  as  it  looks  good  im  happy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st Reply with quote

                                                   
Preeths  wrote  (View  Post):                
Its  a  5  feet  tank,  have  it  for  around  two  years  now.  The  stand  is  super  strong.   I  am  more  worried  about  the  looks  rather  than  function  of  the  drawers.  Thats  the  reason  i  wanted  to  cover  it  up.  I  dont  mind  2.5  feet  drawers,  so  much  more  easier  to  dump  all  my  aquarium  related  stuff  inside.  The  whole  thing  does  not  have  to  be  strong,  as  long  as  it  looks  good  im  happy.                

 
 Actually,  I  was  referring  to  the  strength  of  the  bits  you  stick  to  the  existing  stand  and  not  the  stand  itself.
 
 But,  if  you  don't  care  about  the  drawers  being  convenient  to  use  (i.e.  if  they  are  not  going  to  be  used  very  often),   then,  yes,  your  idea  should  work.
 
 Post  pictures  of  this  project  and  also  mention  the  specific  brand  (and  type)  of  adhesive  you  use.
 
 Good  luck,
 
 Sid
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