Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
Well the thread is about skimmer advice, so why would one talk about chillers here. I am certain and srinivas is well aware of that fact and has received advice on the same. If he had questions about a chiller, i am sure he will ask when the right time comes. Also for all the live stock for which may require you to have a chiller may require more to have pristine water conditions along with the right temperature. So i think both equipments go hand in hand unless you are willing to do a turf screen of sorts.
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
I agree with each one and greatly appreciate the onus with which the advice are flowing.
Yes, I realise that I need a chiller too.The entire base for my thread is based on the following:
I am recuperting for a disaster caused due to heat recently. I know what it means and realise the need for the chiller. I owe this disaster to my absence for a complete day. Post the disaster, had made immediate temperory arrangements to control the temperature. Have succeeed in maintaining the tank level below 29 Degrees. No corals/invertibrates and as such no serious problem currently.
Monsoon has arrived and the temperatures going forward would be on the better sides for atleast 8 months.The worst has gone, the bad is going out fast and the monsoon would soon bring the desirable temperatures. Hence no Urgency for the chiller but the importance stays in its place.
Post the disaster, have managed the temperature but the water chemistry is a bit of concern. A couple of WC had led to Ammonia and Nitrites level at 0 but the nitrates is still bugging me. Hence feel the need to have a good filteration too to avoid any further mishap.
Owing to the above reasons, a skimmer comes first on the priority list than the chiller.
I know I would be running my existing set-up for a considerable time (6-8 months atleast) before I plunge to my bigger project. But somewhere I know, it is round the corner.
I need to perfect my existing tank AND on the other side, Am pretty sure that I cannot afford to upgrade the equipments twice in a year or two.
Hence this post of capacity compatibility on skimmers.
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
If you are confident in your ability to keep temperatures down, then that is fine. I must admit, I do not know much about temperatures in Nagpur. But if humidity is low, it should be possible to bring them it down a lot using fans. It really is upto you and your experience.
It seems that your intention behind purchasing a skimmer is for nitrate control, there are many ways to accomplish that. Some methods use a skimmer, some don't. Since you are on a budget, a good decision here is vital. You could use a DSB, go probiotic, go barebottom, have a refugium etc.
Do I use a skimmer? Yep, I have a dual skimmer setup on my 1200l tank, including a Deltec APF600. I have a heavy bioload. You have no idea how much this hobby can cost .
If you would like suggestions on nitrate reduction, I'd be more than happy to help.
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
Nagpur does not have too much Humidity problems.
The summers are Extreme and would require a chiller and would aquire one before the next season.
Post the disaster, I realised that the existing skimmer is not too good.
Since that is the only filteration (apart form LR), thought a effective one would stand better in maintaining the water conditions.
I know the cost involved and had saved for this day for the past so many years.
I wanted to check the feaseability so experimented on a smaller scale. But post joinng this forum, have gained a lot of knowledge, confidence and realised a few mistakes I committed in the early days of membership.
Each thing form the current set up can be used by me if I were to upgrade to a larger specimen. Even the existing tank (can be converted to a sump). HOwever the equipments capacity would not match. Hence was asking regarding the skimmer so that it too can be used if the upgrade were to happen in near future.
I have read a bit about Nitrate reduction on net. But your advise would be highly appreciated.
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
Well I don't want to hijack this thread, but hopefully Gulls can use some information posted,
On my 1200l, I'm still experimenting with bacterial filtration, hopefully I will have good results in a couple months.
I do have a smaller tank, about 60g, total volume. Its ridiculously stable, with a DSB, 4 small fish, refugium with caulerpa and halimeda (24x7 lighting), skimmer, carbon & phosphate reactors, chiller . That's pretty much it. I feel this is the easiest way to achieve a low maintainance tank, where you can pretty much keep anything. Haven't tried the turf scrubber. Also I use RO/DI water for the silicates. There isn't much phosphate in municipal water.
Sid, anymore updates on yours? You've got a pretty good setup already.
Gulls, I do hope that you can use this information
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
Think we posted at about the same time there. I've mentioned my setup on the previous post.
We've all made a ton of mistakes, most don't wanna mention theirs
I'm pretty confident that you can skip the reactors and skimmer mentioned and still do ok, PROVIDED,
1. You maintain a healthy DSB (others here can mention cheaper alternatives than using aragonite)
2. Keep a minimal bioload, as in smaller and fewer fish with careful feeding. Keeping one 12" Grouper would probably not qualify
e.g. In my 60gal, i have a pseudochromis fridmani, royal gramma, 1 inch wrasse and 1.5 inch sailfin tang.
3. 10% water change each week. (Depending on your bioload)
Hope this helps!! Research some more, there is plenty of info online.
This hobby is confusing, and there are a lot of people who give advice. Everyone has different ideas on what they want and how they go about it. Before a new method is even implemented, there are others who scorn at them and come up with reasons why they will fail. It's upto you to observe and make your decision.
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
WoW 3 pages of skimmer advice....
I have a nano and don't have a skimmer and my nitrates are under 10ppm, I don't run the algae turf scrubber or any other filtration methods..
I do water changes once in 2-3months..and still no problems.. My bioload has increased a lot, I have about 7 fish and about 8 shrimps and tons of snails, sea cucumber and some anemones..but i don't feed my fish much, just once a week and are nice and healthy.
I don't bother much with the setup and everything gets taken care by itself..
This just shows you can get away without a using a skimmer...
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
I don't bother much with the setup and everything gets taken care by itself..
Exactly the point i have been trying to stress upon !! ... We just try to much with our tanks , try too many tweaks and modifications, all of these alter water chemistry and eventually leads to an unstable tank. In most cases this is the cause of disasters.
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice
Alistair if you have the right flow and some LR rubble in your sump, most of the nitrates will be taken care of deep within the pores of the LR itself.
Feeding once a week is fine, but if you want good growth not the best practice. However for corals it should be fine. Fish will usually nibble on the live rock.
if you can go to a local sanitary shop and see if they have those cheap ceramic tiles costing 5 to 10 Rs. They have extremely tiny pores and work great in controlling Nitrates. I have tried this experiment personally and just sharing. I have about 20 tiles stacked up in my sump with small suction cups at the 4 corners just to provide some water movement space between them and after about 8 weeks of their introduction my nitrates have dropped to 10ppm from 70ppm
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