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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 gulls  thats  progress.....  Chuckle   
 
 good  luck  buddy....  Thumb Up   
 
 even  im  plannin  of  settin  up  a  marine  in  my  empty  55  gal....but  its  put  on  hold  for  the  temperature  reason(31  deg)..  Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 Hey  Gulls,
 
 This  thread  has  been  all  about  skimmers  and  such  ....
 
 Given  the  fact  that  your  wallet  is  sorta  empty  right  now  Very Happy,  think  you'd  be  better  off  concentrating  on  getting  a  good  chiller.
 
 On  another  thread  you've  mentioned  a  loss  due  to  high  temperatures.  You  can  always  run  your  new  tank  with  what  skimmer  you've  got,  by  keeping  a  low  bio-load  and  moving  slowly.
 
 People  run  tanks  without  skimmers,  it  isn't  "must-have".
 
 Good  luck!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 Finally  some  sense.  i  totally  agree  with  Nonza.  Save  the  money  and  buy  yourself  a  good  chiller.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 im  doin  the  same  thing.......!!!!
 
 savin  loads  of  money  to  get  a  good  chiller.....  Drinking  
 
 gulls  hope  u  hav  an  idea  of  gettin  a  chiller..  No Way
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 Well  the  thread  is  about  skimmer  advice,  so  why  would  one  talk  about  chillers  here.  I  am  certain  and  srinivas  is  well  aware  of  that  fact  and  has  received  advice  on  the  same.  If  he  had  questions  about  a  chiller,  i  am  sure  he  will  ask  when  the  right  time  comes.  Also  for  all  the  live  stock  for  which  may  require  you  to  have  a  chiller  may  require  more  to  have  pristine  water  conditions  along  with  the  right  temperature.  So  i  think  both  equipments  go  hand  in  hand  unless  you  are  willing  to  do  a  turf  screen  of  sorts.
 
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 Dear  Friends
 
 I  agree  with  each  one  and  greatly  appreciate  the  onus  with  which  the  advice  are  flowing.
 
 Yes,  I  realise  that  I  need  a  chiller  too.The  entire  base  for  my  thread  is  based  on  the  following:
 
 I  am  recuperting  for  a  disaster  caused  due  to  heat  recently.  I  know  what  it  means  and  realise  the  need  for  the  chiller.  I  owe  this  disaster  to  my  absence  for  a  complete  day.  Post  the  disaster,  had  made  immediate  temperory  arrangements  to  control  the  temperature.  Have  succeeed  in  maintaining  the  tank  level  below  29  Degrees.  No  corals/invertibrates  and  as  such  no  serious  problem  currently.
 
 Monsoon  has  arrived  and  the  temperatures  going  forward  would  be  on  the  better  sides  for  atleast  8  months.The  worst  has  gone,  the  bad  is  going  out  fast  and  the  monsoon  would  soon  bring  the  desirable  temperatures.  Hence  no  Urgency  for  the  chiller  but  the  importance  stays  in  its  place.
 
 Post  the  disaster,  have  managed  the  temperature  but  the  water  chemistry  is  a  bit  of  concern.  A  couple  of  WC  had  led  to  Ammonia  and  Nitrites  level  at  0  but  the  nitrates  is  still  bugging  me.  Hence  feel  the  need  to  have  a  good  filteration  too  to  avoid  any  further  mishap.
 
 Owing  to  the  above  reasons,  a  skimmer  comes  first  on  the  priority  list  than  the  chiller.  
 
 I  know  I  would  be  running  my  existing  set-up  for  a  considerable  time  (6-8  months  atleast)  before  I  plunge  to  my  bigger  project.  But  somewhere  I  know,  it  is  round  the  corner.  
 I  need  to  perfect  my  existing  tank  AND  on  the  other  side,  Am  pretty  sure  that  I  cannot  afford  to  upgrade  the  equipments  twice  in  a  year  or  two.  
 Hence  this  post  of  capacity  compatibility  on  skimmers.  
 
 Hope  you  understand  my  dilemma.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 Hi  Gulls,
 
 If  you  are  confident  in  your  ability  to  keep  temperatures  down,  then  that  is  fine.  I  must  admit,  I  do  not  know  much  about  temperatures  in  Nagpur.  But  if  humidity  is  low,  it  should  be  possible  to  bring  them  it  down  a  lot  using  fans.  It  really  is  upto  you  and  your  experience.  
 
 It  seems  that  your  intention  behind  purchasing  a  skimmer  is  for  nitrate  control,  there  are  many  ways  to  accomplish  that.  Some  methods  use  a  skimmer,  some  don't.  Since  you  are  on  a  budget,  a  good  decision  here  is  vital.  You  could  use  a  DSB,  go  probiotic,  go  barebottom,  have  a  refugium  etc.  
 
 Do  I  use  a  skimmer?  Yep,  I  have  a  dual  skimmer  setup  on  my  1200l  tank,  including  a  Deltec  APF600.  I  have  a  heavy  bioload.  You  have  no  idea  how  much  this  hobby  can  cost   Very Happy  .
 
 If  you  would  like  suggestions  on  nitrate  reduction,  I'd  be  more  than  happy  to  help.
 
 Good  luck!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 Hey  Nonza,  how  about  some  pictures  and  gen  info  of  your  setup?
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 HI  Nonza..
 Nagpur  does  not  have  too  much  Humidity  problems.
 The  summers  are  Extreme  and  would  require  a  chiller  and  would  aquire  one  before  the  next  season.
 
 Post  the  disaster,  I  realised  that  the  existing  skimmer  is  not  too  good.  
 Since  that  is  the  only  filteration  (apart  form  LR),  thought  a  effective  one  would  stand  better  in  maintaining  the  water  conditions.
 
 I  know  the  cost  involved  and  had  saved  for  this  day  for  the  past  so  many  years.
 
 I  wanted  to  check  the  feaseability  so  experimented  on  a  smaller  scale.  But  post  joinng  this  forum,  have  gained  a  lot  of  knowledge,  confidence  and  realised  a  few  mistakes  I  committed  in  the  early  days  of  membership.
 
 Each  thing  form  the  current  set  up  can  be  used  by  me  if  I  were  to  upgrade  to  a  larger  specimen.  Even  the  existing  tank  (can  be  converted  to  a  sump).  HOwever  the  equipments  capacity  would  not  match.  Hence  was  asking  regarding  the  skimmer  so  that  it  too  can  be  used  if  the  upgrade  were  to  happen  in  near  future.
 
 I  have  read  a  bit  about  Nitrate  reduction  on  net.  But  your  advise  would  be  highly  appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 Hey  Sid,
 
 Well  I  don't  want  to  hijack  this  thread,  but  hopefully  Gulls  can  use  some  information  posted,
 
 On  my  1200l,  I'm  still  experimenting  with  bacterial  filtration,  hopefully  I  will  have  good  results  in  a  couple  months.  
 
 I  do  have  a  smaller  tank,  about  60g,  total  volume.  Its  ridiculously  stable,  with  a  DSB,  4  small  fish,  refugium  with  caulerpa  and  halimeda  (24x7  lighting),  skimmer,  carbon  &  phosphate  reactors,  chiller  .  That's  pretty  much  it.  I  feel  this  is  the  easiest  way  to  achieve  a  low  maintainance  tank,  where  you  can  pretty  much  keep  anything.  Haven't  tried  the  turf  scrubber.  Also  I  use  RO/DI  water  for  the  silicates.  There  isn't  much  phosphate  in  municipal  water.
 
 Sid,  anymore  updates  on  yours?  You've  got  a  pretty  good  setup  already.
 
 Gulls,  I  do  hope  that  you  can  use  this  information
 
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 Hi  Gulls,
 
 Think  we  posted  at  about  the  same  time  there.  I've  mentioned  my  setup  on  the  previous  post.
 
 We've  all  made  a  ton  of  mistakes,  most  don't  wanna  mention  theirs   Very Happy  
 
 I'm  pretty  confident  that  you  can  skip  the  reactors  and  skimmer  mentioned  and  still  do  ok,  PROVIDED,
 
 1.  You  maintain  a  healthy  DSB  (others  here  can  mention  cheaper  alternatives  than  using  aragonite)
 2.  Keep  a  minimal  bioload,  as  in  smaller  and  fewer  fish  with  careful  feeding.  Keeping  one  12"  Grouper  would  probably  not  qualify   ROFL
 e.g.  In  my  60gal,  i  have  a  pseudochromis  fridmani,  royal  gramma,  1  inch  wrasse  and  1.5  inch  sailfin  tang.  
 3.  10%  water  change  each  week.  (Depending  on  your  bioload)
 
 
 Hope  this  helps!!  Research  some  more,  there  is  plenty  of  info  online.  
 
 This  hobby  is  confusing,  and  there  are  a  lot  of  people  who  give  advice.  Everyone  has  different  ideas  on  what  they  want  and  how  they  go  about  it.  Before  a  new  method  is  even  implemented,  there  are  others  who  scorn  at  them  and  come  up  with  reasons  why  they  will  fail.  It's  upto  you  to  observe  and  make  your  decision.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 WoW  3  pages  of  skimmer  advice....
 
 I  have  a  nano  and  don't  have  a  skimmer  and  my  nitrates  are  under  10ppm,  I  don't  run  the  algae  turf  scrubber  or  any  other  filtration  methods..  
 
 I  do  water  changes  once  in  2-3months..and  still  no  problems..  My  bioload  has  increased  a  lot,  I  have  about  7  fish  and  about  8  shrimps  and  tons  of  snails,  sea  cucumber  and  some  anemones..but  i  don't  feed  my  fish  much,  just  once  a  week  and  are  nice  and  healthy.
 
 I  don't  bother  much  with  the  setup  and  everything  gets  taken  care  by  itself..
 
 
 This  just  shows  you  can  get  away  without  a  using  a  skimmer...
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 Exactly  the  point  i  have  been  trying  to  stress  upon  !!  ...  We  just  try  to  much  with  our  tanks  ,  try  too  many  tweaks  and  modifications,  all  of  these  alter  water  chemistry  and  eventually  leads  to  an  unstable  tank.  In  most  cases  this  is  the  cause  of  disasters.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 Weylin,  how  come  your  nitrates  are  so  low?  Do  you  have  a  DSB.  There  has  to  be  some  sort  of  filteration  that  is  converting  your  nitrates  to  Nitrogen.  
 Is  feeding  once  a  week  a  healthy  practice?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer advice Reply with quote

 Alistair  if  you  have  the  right  flow  and  some  LR  rubble  in  your  sump,  most  of  the  nitrates  will  be  taken  care  of  deep  within  the  pores  of  the  LR  itself.
 
 Feeding  once  a  week  is  fine,  but  if  you  want  good  growth  not  the  best  practice.  However  for  corals  it  should  be  fine.  Fish  will  usually  nibble  on  the  live  rock.
 
 if  you  can  go  to  a  local  sanitary  shop  and  see  if  they  have  those  cheap  ceramic  tiles  costing  5  to  10  Rs.  They  have  extremely  tiny  pores  and  work  great  in  controlling  Nitrates.  I  have  tried  this  experiment  personally  and  just  sharing.  I  have  about  20  tiles  stacked  up  in  my  sump  with  small  suction  cups  at  the  4  corners  just  to  provide  some  water  movement  space  between  them  and  after  about  8  weeks  of  their  introduction  my  nitrates  have  dropped  to  10ppm  from  70ppm
 
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