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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:54 am Post subject: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

 Hi,
      I'm  converting  my  2ft  tank  into  a  planted  tank,  and  planning  to  use  Red  Soil  as  the  base  layer,  with  Laterite  gravel  on  top  of  it.  Thought  of  mixing  Peat  Moss  along  with  the  Red  soil.
      But  unfortunately  Peat  Moss  is  not  commonly  available,  but  Coca  Peat   (  from  coconut  )  is  available.  Would  Coca  Peat  suffice  instead  of  Peat  Moss  ?!
      
      Where  could  I  buy  Peat  moss  ?!  Is  Lalbhag  Nursery  the  only  place  ?!  Also,  what  quantity  of  Peat  moss  should  I  mix  with  the  red  soil  for  a  2  x  1.5  ft  tank  base  ?!
 
 I  plant  to  have  1.5  inch  red  soil  base,  topped  with  1.5  inch  Laterite  gravel.
 Plants  would  be  some  stem  plants  and  crypts.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

 I  have  used  cocopeat  in  my  current  setup(1part  peat  to  5  parts  laterite),  been  running  for  3-4  months  and  am  quite  contented  with  results,  no  algae/pollution/rotting  issues,  each  and  every  plant  added  to  tank  did  good....BUT...I  cant  say  what  was  the  role  of  peat  there,  maybe  increased  CEC  or  softened  water,  I  dint  even  test  it.
 
 I  wouldnt  recommend  that  though,  as  I  dont  know  how  will  it  do  for  a  longer  period  of  time,  experts(or  the  experienced  people)  usually  turn  down  to  cocopeat  for  some  reason,  dont  exactly  know  why.  You  better  wait  to  know  their  feedbacks.
 
 On  the  other  hand  sphagnum  peat  has  been  used  by  Madan  Sir  and  a  couple  of  other  senior  hobbyists  here  and  it  is  recommended  by  many,  so  you  have  a  green  signal  to  go  for  this  peat.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

 Hello  Prabhu
 
 I  got  peat  moss  from  the  nursery  near  wilson  garden  10th  cross.
 
 Take  a  left  at  wilson  garden  10th  cross  junction  (Signal)  right  after  the  brand  factory  and  keep  heading  straight  till  u  find  some  nursery.........
 They  have  loads  of  them  that  they  use  for  there  everyday  work.  (Plantation)
 
 I  shall  check  if  i  have  any  left  from  my  old  setup.  
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

 U  can  check  out  with  pet  planet  (Near  ISKON).  last  time  i  sawed  they  had  azoo  peat  moss
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

 Azoo  peat  moss  is  too  costly.you  might  get  ordinary  ones  available  at  nursery  gardens.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

                                                   
Hamza  wrote  (View  Post):                
I  have  used  cocopeat  in  my  current  setup(1part  peat  to  5  parts  laterite),  been  running  for  3-4  months  and  am  quite  contented  with  results,  no  algae/pollution/rotting  issues,  each  and  every  plant  added  to  tank  did  good....BUT...I  cant  say  what  was  the  role  of  peat  there,  maybe  increased  CEC  or  softened  water,  I  dint  even  test  it.
 
 I  wouldnt  recommend  that  though,  as  I  dont  know  how  will  it  do  for  a  longer  period  of  time,  experts(or  the  experienced  people)  usually  turn  down  to  cocopeat  for  some  reason,  dont  exactly  know  why.  You  better  wait  to  know  their  feedbacks.
 
 On  the  other  hand  sphagnum  peat  has  been  used  by  Madan  Sir  and  a  couple  of  other  senior  hobbyists  here  and  it  is  recommended  by  many,  so  you  have  a  green  signal  to  go  for  this  peat.                

 
 True,  I  have  used  cocopeat  in  a  2'x1'x1'  and  had  good  results.  The  tank  was  at  its  peak  after  a  year  and  3  months  and  then  developed  a  leak  and  had  to  be  dismantled.  I  used  50-50  mix  of  cocopeat  and  rich  clay  from  lake  bottom  and  topped  it  off  with  kappi.  The  plants  in  there  were  easy  to  grow  stems  and  crypts.  No  CO2  occassional  dosing  of  micros.  Had  algae  issues  (typical  in  this  sort  of  setup)  but  innumerable  MTS  and  scraping  kept  it  under  control.  
 
 I  used  the  cocopeat  without  boiling.  Didn't  leach  at  all.  Read  somewhere  it  has  something  that  helps  root  development  and  boiling  would  destroy  that.  Also,  higher  percentage  of  cocopeat  along  with  MTS,  may  help  avoid  dead  spots  in  the  gravel.
 
 IMO,  after  going  through  lots  of  posts  by  planted  gurus  here,  just  clay  or  laterite  topped  with  river  sand  adn  appropriate  lighting  will  grow  anything  with  patience.
 
 As  observed  by  Hamza,  there  was  no  sign  of  rotting  when  I  dismantled  my  2'.  No  stink  either!
 
 Have  started  a  similar  setup  with  some  delicate  plants.  Hoping  for  the  best.
 
 Cocopeat  is  cheap  and  relatively  easy  to  get.  Experiment  buddy  and  rest  assured,  cocopeat  definitely  doesn't  have  any  detrimental  effect.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

 Checked  out  the  Lalbhag  Nursery  and  the  adjacent  Siddapura  Nursery/Store.  Non  of  them  have  Peat  Moss  in  Stock.........   Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

 When  you  use  garden  soil,  you  should  remember  that  there  is  always  some  organic  matter  in  them.  Adding  some  peat  will  prevent  anaerobic  activity  at  spots  where  plant  root  has  not  penetrated  (Plant  roots  pump  oxygen  into  the  soil  to  make  it  aerobic).  What  the  peat  does  is  that  it  makes  its  surroundings  too  acid  for  bacterial  activity  by  leaching  the  tannic  acids  that  it  contains.
 
 Cocopeat  I  believe  is  a  very  variable  material.  Essentially  it  is  decomposed  waste  from  the  coconut  fiber  industries  and  is  used  by  nurseries  for  seedling  trays  or  to  condition  the  beds  of  terrestrial  plants  for  water  retention.  Still  if  you  get  a  well  rotten  cocopeat  you  can  use  it  in  the  same  way  as  you  could  peat-moss  (yes  cocopeat  price  makes  it  desirable).  
 
 If  you  are  using  mineralised  substrates  with  hardly  any  organic  content  -  or  very  shallow  substrate  (about  than  an  inch  or  inch-and-a-half)  you  can  dispense  with  the  peat  addition  altogether  as  it  will  give  you  no  advantage.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Peat Moss for Substrate Reply with quote

 Thanks  essabee  for  sharing  the  info  with  all  of  us  
 I  am  using  a  thin  layer  of  clay  topped  with  a  mix  of  river  sand  and  silica  and  a  bit  of  golden  sand
 but  surprisingly  for  the  first  time  i  have  observed  that  the  plants  though  growing  very  well,  suddenly  rot  from  the  stem  (  the  part  touching  the  surface  of  the  soil)
 i  have  also  seen  that  the  plants  develop  spots  on  the  older  leaves  of  the  plants.  then  they  suddenly  break  free  of  the  plant.  can  u  help  ?  any  one?
 i  am  also  dosing  co2  DIY  and  using  a  very  low  doze  of  fertilizer  macro  /micro
 
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