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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Puntius Assimilis Reply with quote

 @Andy:  Thanks  a  lot  for  the  explanation.  You  are  right,  it  is  quite  confusing.  So  I  guess  all  of  the  ones  I  have  are  filamentosus.  
 
 One  more  thing  though,  what  time  will  they  start  to  grow  the  filaments?  Mine  are  about  8cm  now  and  do  not  show  any  of  the  fin  extensions.
 
 By  the  way,  if  I  have  to  chose  my  number  one  vegetarian  piranha,  this  would  be  it.  You  should  see  them  attacking  blanched  spinach  or  coriander.  And  the  way  they  attack  duckweed  is  without  similar  :-)
 
 Other  than  that,  they  are  very  very  peaceful,  had  them  with  pretty  tiny  fish,  and  they  did  not  even  show  interest,  when  those  were  in  reach  ;-)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius Assimilis Reply with quote

 Nice  specimens  you  have  there  ,  I  agree  with  Ben  on  the  vege  diet  ,  they  finished  up  the  entire  jungle  of  Native  Crypts  a  day  after  they  where  introduced  to  the  tank.  Have  posted  a  couple  of  pics  of  both  Filamentous  and  Assimillis  in  the  same  tank  under  similar  lighting  to  show  the  difference  in  colour  ,  pics  are  not  upto  it  but  the  best  I  could  manage  in  a  hurry.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius Assimilis Reply with quote

 manoj,  
 
 thanks  for  posting  the  pictures.  I  think  I  have  the  filamentosus  and  the  assimilis  are  with  Sid.  I  think  Sid's  camera  discoloured  them,  because  when  I  had  them  in  my  tank,  they  looked  exactly  like  your  assimilis.  
 
 But  then  there  are  all  the  points  Andy  mentioned.  Shall  take  some  proper  pictures  (if  I  can  manage)  at  Sid's  place  and  then  post  it  here  for  final  identification.
 
 BTW:  Your  filamentosus  look  awesome,  how  big  are  those?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius Assimilis Reply with quote

 @  Ben'
       I  have  a  pair  of  them  ,  they  are  about  5  inches  in  length  ,  the  female  does  not  have  any  filaments   but  the  male  has  them  and  they  are  about  a  cm  long.
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 A  few  years  back  I  had  a  male  Filament  barb  that  was  about  5  to  6  inches  long  and  not  only  did  the  dorsal  have  the  filaments  but  the  ventrall  fins  also  !  :thumbup:
 
 Nice  pics  Mnarvekar   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius Assimilis Reply with quote

 @Manoj:  Guess  have  to  wait  an  inch  more  to  see  the  filaments,  Do  not  guess  that  in  all  5  there  is  no  male.  I  hope  they'll  colour  up  like  yours
 
 @Andy:  Wow,  even  better.  Did  you  manage  to  breed  them?  Or  did  anybody  else  manage  yet?
 
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 Hi  Gachua  1  ,  never  tried  to  breed  them  ,  I  dont  think  they  are  difficult  but  they  are  quite  prolific  and  I  bet  it  could  be  a  struggle  finding  space  for  the  youngsters  ?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Puntius Assimilis Reply with quote

 Andy,  
 
 agree,  they  would  be  quite  prolific  and  considering  their  appetite  for  vegetables  and  plants,  and  the  final  size,  i  guess  you  wouldn't  find  too  many  takers  ;-)
 
 However,  I  think  I  heard  somewhere  that  the  youngsters  are  striped  and  that  sounds  interesting  ;-)
 
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 To  me  the  most  obvious  difference  between  P.  filamentosus  and  P.  assimilis  is  the  position  of  the  mouth.
 You  can  read  about  it  in  this  pdf:
 
 http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/rbz/biblio/s12/s12rbz127-144.pdf
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Andy,  
 
 agree,  they  would  be  quite  prolific  and  considering  their  appetite  for  vegetables  and  plants,  and  the  final  size,  i  guess  you  wouldn't  find  too  many  takers  ;-)
 
 However,  I  think  I  heard  somewhere  that  the  youngsters  are  striped  and  that  sounds  interesting  ;-)
 
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 The  Juvie  filamentosus  complex  from  Sharavathi.
 
 
 
 The  Juvie  filamentosus  complex  from  Bhadra...
 
 
 
 The  Juvie  from  Tunga....
 
 
   But  as  of  now  my  fish  room  is  teeming  with  filamentosus  complex  from  Sharavathi,  Nethravathi,  Tunga,  Bhadra,  Sita,  Kumaradhara   and  one  pair  from  Valaparai.  This  has  put  paid  to  my  cherished  ambition  of  setting  up  a  planted  tank  in  my  fishroom.  These  Goats  have  eaten  even  my  Hydrilla  Crying or Very sad  
 
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 Hi  Risakanayak  ,  I  could  be  well  off  the  mark  ,but  that  young  Tunga  fish  looks  like  an  Assimilis  ?
 
 Just  out  of  interest  my  local  shop  [Pier  Aquatics]  got  some  Filamentosus  that  had  a  beautiful  red  sheen  on  the  sides  ,they  were  absolutely  gorgeous  !  and  I  never  picked  any  up   Crying or Very sad  have  you  come  across  this  variety  ?
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Hi  Risakanayak  ,  I  could  be  well  off  the  mark  ,but  that  young  Tunga  fish  looks  like  an  Assimilis  ?
 
 Just  out  of  interest  my  local  shop  [Pier  Aquatics]  got  some  Filamentosus  that  had  a  beautiful  red  sheen  on  the  sides  ,they  were  absolutely  gorgeous  !  and  I  never  picked  any  up   Crying or Very sad  have  you  come  across  this  variety  ?                

 
 Yes,  I  think  so  too.  The  mouth  is  definitely  inferior,  But  reading  your  earlier  post  of  the  assimilis  having  the  first  dorsal  ray  longest,  has  put  me  in  doubt  again.  I  still  have  these  fishes,  and  will  post  new  pictures  soon.
 
 To  compound  the  doubts  it  seems  that  Juveniles  of  the  filamentosus  complex  appear  different  in  various  type  localities.  Enough  confusion  to  drive  one  up  the  tree.  Crying or Very sad
   All  the  juvies  we  had  caught  were  3/4th  of  an  Inch  and  you  can  see  the  difference  in  the  above  pictures.
 
 Yes,  I  have  the  fishes  you  are  refering  to.  In  fact  instead  of  Blue,  Green  or  Blue  green  sheen,  it   definitely  has  a  pinkish  or  red  sheen.  Do  not  know  whether  I  will  be  able  to  capture  it  on  a  camera.  Caught  it  in  Sita.  Just  for  reference.....Will  post  a  better  picture  soon.
 
 
 
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 Hi  Nayak  ,  having  seen  these  new  pics  I'd  be  surprised  if  they  weren't  Assimilis   Surprised   Smile
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 hahaha,  this  really  is  confusing.  
 
 Nayak,  do  you  keep  them  all  in  separate  tanks?  or  would  you  be  able  to  tell  them  apart  after  some  time  in  the  same  tank.  
 
 They  are  definitly  beautiful  and  interesting  fish.  Are  they  also  found  in  Cauvery  near  Mysore?  Or  do  I  have  to  travel  further  to  catch  them  :-)
 
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 Yes,  Andy.  The  last  pictures  are  P.assimilis.  The  first  stripped  one  is  P.filamentosus.  The  others  are  confusing  Smile  
 
 Yes,  Ben.  They  are  in  seperate  tanks  accept  for  the  bigger  ones  from  Sharavathi,  Kumaradhara  and  Valliparai.  And  yes,  You  can  tell  them  apart  since  there  are  type  locality  variations.
 
 Now  that  you  mention  it,  I  do  not  have  any  P.filamentous  family  from  Cauvery.  Have  to  check   that  out.  Chuckle  
 
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