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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:41 pm Post subject: Substrate Query Reply with quote

 Hi  Experts,
 I  have  few  queries  regarding  plantation  soil  as  below,
 
 1)  What  is  substrate?
 2)  What  is  laterite?
 3)  Can  I  use  garden  soil  for  planted  tank  ?  (red  or  black)
 4)  Can  I  use  compost  for  plated  tank?
 5)  What  is  "Mourum"  does  it  substrate  or  laterite?  Can  we  use  it  in  plated  tank?   (Sorry  "Mourum"  is  called  in  Marathi.  It  is  red  in  color)
 6)  Can  we  use  earthworm  compost  for  planted  tank?
 7)  If  we  use  garden  soil  or  red  soil  or  black  soil  or  any  compost  for  platation  then  will  it  cloud  water?  If  yes  how  to  get  rid  of  it?
 
 I  know  these  are  very  basic  questions  but  I  am  very  new  to  plantation  world   Crying or Very sad  
 
 Please  add  if  any  other  additional  note  or  informative  thing  if  you  have.  
 
 Thanks  in  advance
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate Query Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Experts,
 I  have  few  queries  regarding  plantation  soil  as  below,
                 

 
                                                 
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 1)  What  is  substrate?                

 The  bottom  of  the  tank  is  covered  with  this.  Some  keep  bare  bottom  tanks.
 
                                                 
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2)  What  is  laterite?                

 Rich  in  iron.  Used  in  powdered  form.
 
                                                 
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3)  Can  I  use  garden  soil  for  planted  tank  ?  (red  or  black)                

 As  long  as  it  does  not  contain  fertilizers  or  other  chemicals  yes,  not  in  large  quantities.
 
                                                 
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4)  Can  I  use  compost  for  plated  tank?                

 Nope.
 
                                                 
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5)  What  is  "Mourum"  does  it  substrate  or  laterite?  Can  we  use  it  in  plated  tank?   (Sorry  "Mourum"  is  called  in  Marathi.  It  is  red  in  color)                

 Marathi  is  not  my  strong  point  Very Happy
 
                                                 
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6)  Can  we  use  earthworm  compost  for  planted  tank?                

 Nope
 
                                                 
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7)  If  we  use  garden  soil  or  red  soil  or  black  soil  or  any  compost  for  platation  then  will  it  cloud  water?  If  yes  how  to  get  rid  of  it?                

 Dont  use  it  unless  otherwise  it  is  totally  free  of  chemicals  and  fertilizers.  Cloudy  water  is  the  least  of  the  problems,  you  would  have  algae  issues  too.
 
 
                                                 
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I  know  these  are  very  basic  questions  but  I  am  very  new  to  plantation  world   Crying or Very sad  
 
 Please  add  if  any  other  additional  note  or  informative  thing  if  you  have.  
 
 Thanks  in  advance                

 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Substrate Query Reply with quote

 Thanks  Vignesh  for  your  valuable  inputs.  
 In  addition  to  this  
 
 1)  What  is  peat  ?
 2)  Where  can  we  get  peat?
 3)  How  we  can  use  peat  for  planted  aquarium?
 4)  Many  of  people  use  vermicompost  for  planted  aquarium.  Can  you  please  put  some  light  on  the  same  or  what  exactly  vermicompost?
 5)  Does  plants  grow  very  good  in  normal  river  sand  (which  we  use  for  construction  and  whichi  blank  in  color)?  if  yes  does  it  affect  the  water  chemistry?
 6)  Whats  sachem  flourite  ?  Can  we  make  our  own  at  home?
 7)  What  things  can  be  used  from  plants  nursery?
 Cool  What  is  the  other  alternative  for  laterite  ?  which  is  easily  available  and  my  constraint  is  budjet.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Substrate Query Reply with quote

 if  budget  is  a  constraint  for  you  use  potting  soil  as  bottom  layer  and  top  it  with  some  coarse  garvel..just  make  sure  you  wash  the  soil  properly  so  that  its  free  from  any  chemicals..
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Substrate Query Reply with quote

 What  is  potting  soil  exactly?
 Where  can  I  get  it?
 Can  I  use  fine  white  sand  as  top  layer?
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 potting  soil  is  the  soil  in  which  terrestial  plants  grow..you  can  get  them  anywhere..they  are  black  in  colour..the  most  important  advantage..they  are  free  Very Happy
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potting  soil  is  the  soil  in  which  terrestial  plants  grow..you  can  get  them  anywhere..they  are  black  in  colour..the  most  important  advantage..they  are  free  Very Happy                

 
 Can  I  get  it  from  nursery?
 What  shall  I  ask  to  nursery  guy?
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 tell  him  that  you  want  garden  soil..just  make  sure  any  chemicals  are  not  mixed  with  it,as  i  already  said..
 and  use  it  as  a  bottom  layer  only  or  else  it  might  cloud  the  water..
 i  have  seen  an  awesome  glosso  tank  with  just  potting  soil  as  the  bottom  layer  and  coarse  gravel..
 i  am  planning  to  make  a  similar  tank  with  just  potting  soil  and  glossostigma  in  it   Cheering  
 but  dude,i  havent  tried  potting  soil  myself..its  sure  to  give  you  results  though,as  it  is  rich  in  minerals  and  nutreints..
 what  plants  are  you  planning  to  grow?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Substrate Query Reply with quote

 ^^  i  would  not  buy  any  kind  of  soil  from  a  nursery.  had  a  real  bad  experience  with  soil  bought  from  nursery.
 
 you  can  go  for  laterite  at  the  base  and  river  sand  bought  from  LFS  on  top  of  it.
 
 and  if  you  live  in  pune,  you  will  find  laterite  easily  that  too  for  free.  :D
 
 just  go  out  of  the  city  where  there  are  a  few  hills.  the  red  soil  that  you  see  on  the  sides  of  the  road  is  laterite  Smile
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 i  was  advising  him  to  go  for  potting  soil  since  he  has  a  budget  constraint..if  you  can  find  laterite  for  free  in  pune,might  as  well  go  for  laterite  then..its  a  better  option..get  in  touch  with  some  local  lfs  guys  who  can  help  you  out..
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hrishi007  wrote  (View  Post):                
tell  him  that  you  want  garden  soil..just  make  sure  any  chemicals  are  not  mixed  with  it,as  i  already  said..
 and  use  it  as  a  bottom  layer  only  or  else  it  might  cloud  the  water..
 i  have  seen  an  awesome  glosso  tank  with  just  potting  soil  as  the  bottom  layer  and  coarse  gravel..
 i  am  planning  to  make  a  similar  tank  with  just  potting  soil  and  glossostigma  in  it   Cheering  
 but  dude,i  havent  tried  potting  soil  myself..its  sure  to  give  you  results  though,as  it  is  rich  in  minerals  and  nutreints..
 what  plants  are  you  planning  to  grow?                

 
 I  am  planning  to  have  carpet  plants  only  may  Glosso  or  Marsilea  hirsuta.  What  do  you  think?  Please  suggest  some  thing  by  considering  low  budget.
 
 My  tank  is  3x1.5x1.5.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Substrate Query Reply with quote

 if  you  are  not  using  potting  soil  as  substrate,another  option  is  as  i  told  you,use  laterite  as  bottom  layer  and  top  it  up  with  some  coarse  gravel..since  you  are  planning  to  grow  a  tough  plant  like  glosso,give  it  ample  light  ..a  3wpg  is  good..fertilizers  i  am  not  an  expert..use  a  pressurised  co2  if  you  want  your  glosso's  to  form  a  carpet  fast..or  else  diy  co2  is  also  good..but  i  haven't  heard  anyone  making  a  glosso  carpet  with  diy  co2   Sad  
 however,that  being  said,i  am  going  to  use  some  peat  plates  in  the  bottom,then  laterite,humus  plus,fondo  vivo  and  finally  ada  amzonia  2  as  the  top  most  layer  in  my  tank..i  have  been  saving  for  months  to  make  this  substrate..  Cheering
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate Query Reply with quote

                                                   
hrishi007  wrote  (View  Post):                
 
 however,that  being  said,i  am  going  to  use  some  peat  plates  in  the  bottom,then  laterite,humus  plus,fondo  vivo  and  finally  ada  amzonia  2  as  the  top  most  layer  in  my  tank..i  have  been  saving  for  months  to  make  this  substrate..  Cheering                

 
 why  do  you  need  all  that  with  ADA  ?  :O
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: Substrate Query Reply with quote

                                                   
hrishi007  wrote  (View  Post):                
if  you  are  not  using  potting  soil  as  substrate,another  option  is  as  i  told  you,use  laterite  as  bottom  layer  and  top  it  up  with  some  coarse  gravel..since  you  are  planning  to  grow  a  tough  plant  like  glosso,give  it  ample  light  ..a  3wpg  is  good..fertilizers  i  am  not  an  expert..use  a  pressurised  co2  if  you  want  your  glosso's  to  form  a  carpet  fast..or  else  diy  co2  is  also  good..but  i  haven't  heard  anyone  making  a  glosso  carpet  with  diy  co2   Sad  
 however,that  being  said,i  am  going  to  use  some  peat  plates  in  the  bottom,then  laterite,humus  plus,fondo  vivo  and  finally  ada  amzonia  2  as  the  top  most  layer  in  my  tank..i  have  been  saving  for  months  to  make  this  substrate..  Cheering                

 
 Can  you  explain  what  are  peat  plates?
 What  is  laterite  exactly  does  it  diffrent  than  garden  soil?
 what  is  Humus  plus?
 what  is  fondo  vivo?
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