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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

 Hi  guys,
 
 Below  are  some  pictures  of  a  couple  of  SA  Cichlids  which  I  think  are  Green  Terrors  (Aequidens  sp.  "Goldsaum"  or  Aequidens  rivulatus)  .  They  are  about  3-3.5  inches  in  the  pictures  below.
 
 Questions:
 
 1.  The  LFS  guy  selling  these  called  them  Blue  Acara,  but  I  am  pretty  sure  these  are  not  pure  Blue  Acara.  Are  there  Green  Terror  (Aequidens  sp.  "Goldsaum"  or  Aequidens  rivulatus)  X  Blue  Acara  (Aequidens  pulcher)  hybrids?
 
 2.  Is  there  a  way  to  identify  the  gender  as  of  now  (~3.4  inches)  as  I  think  they  may  be  a  bit  young  for  the  nuchal  hump  ("kok")  on  their  head?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 PS:  Related  Profiles:
 
 Aequidens  sp.  "Goldsaum":  http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=502  
 Aequidens  rivulatus:  http://www.aquariumslife.com/freshwater-fish/american-cichlid/green-terror-aequidens-rivulatus/
 Aequidens  pulcher:  http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=171
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

 they  are  definately  green  terrors..not  blue  acaras.i  think  the  females  dont  have  such  pointed  fins..they  could  be  males  and  i  too  could  be  wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

 true  green  terrors  aren't  available  anywhere,  unless  they  are  being  caught  from  their  origin
 
 else  they  are  all  gold  saums
 
 other  than  that  they  are  sexually  dimorphic,  hence  u  migth  have  to  wait  till  it  grows  big  and  then  vent  it  to  sex  it  properly
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

 i  think  males  brighter  colours  than  females(not  sure)
 
 PS:  what  the  fish  it  first  picture  with  bluish  body  and  red  eyes...is  it  a  thai  silk  FH!!!  Dancing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

                                                   
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i  think  males  brighter  colours  than  females(not  sure)                

 where  in  the  gods  green  world  did  you  get  that   Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

 BTW  sid  
 u  need  to  grow  out  your  FH  separate,  if  u  want  the  fish  to  look  great  as  it  grows
 
 most  FHs  although  of  good  quality  loose  body  shape  and  other  characteristics  bad  fishkeeping  when  they  are  small
 
 FHs  when  small  need  to  be  kept  in  separate  tanks,  with  the  right  decor  color  too,  and  bright  lights,  else  the  other  colors  creep  in
 
 this  is  true  not  only  for  FHs  but  for  many  types  of  naturally  occurring  fish  as  well
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

                                                   
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i  think  males  brighter  colours  than  females(not  sure)                

 where  in  the  gods  green  world  did  you  get  that   Surprised                

 
   thats  what  a  guy  told  me(on  IAH)  ...when  i  asked  the  same  question
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

                                                   
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 thats  what  a  guy  told  me(on  IAH)  ...when  i  asked  the  same  question                

 
 Edit:  suyash,  keep  reading  on  and  learn  more  and  more,  the  more  u  learn  the  more  u  will  like  the  hobby,  i  am  sorry  if  i  have  sounded  harsh  :D
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

                                                   
headbanger_jib  wrote  (View  Post):                
BTW  sid  
 u  need  to  grow  out  your  FH  separate,  if  u  want  the  fish  to  look  great  as  it  grows
 
 most  FHs  although  of  good  quality  loose  body  shape  and  other  characteristics  bad  fishkeeping  when  they  are  small
 
 FHs  when  small  need  to  be  kept  in  separate  tanks,  with  the  right  decor  color  too,  and  bright  lights,  else  the  other  colors  creep  in
 
 this  is  true  not  only  for  FHs  but  for  many  types  of  naturally  occurring  fish  as  well                

 
 That  FH  is  actually  one  of  two  survivors  from  a  batch  of  feeders..  I  like  the  "personality"  of  these  little  guys  and  how  they  follow  my  finger  when  I  move  it  across  the  front  glass.  I  have  not  really  thought  about  growing  them  out..esp.  because  I  don't  like  man-made  hybrids.)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

                                                   
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true  green  terrors  aren't  available  anywhere,  unless  they  are  being  caught  from  their  origin
 
 else  they  are  all  gold  saums
 
 other  than  that  they  are  sexually  dimorphic,  hence  u  migth  have  to  wait  till  it  grows  big  and  then  vent  it  to  sex  it  properly                

 
 Yes,  that  topic  is  very  tiring..  especially  as  "True"  Green  Terrors  (Andinoacara  stalsbergi  or  Aequidens  sp.  "silbersaum")  are  not  really  available  in  the  hobby  anymore.
 
 From  what  I  read,   Aequidens  sp.  "Goldsaum"  (or  Aequidens  rivulatus)  are  now  being  called  "Green  Terror"  and  when  we  do  come  across  an  Andinoacara  stalsbergi  (or  Aequidens  sp.  "silbersaum")  let's  call  that  the  "True  Green  Terror"
 
 As  long  as  this  is  Aequidens  rivulatus  or  Aequidens  sp.  "Goldsaum"  and  NOT  a  Aequidens  pulcher  (Acara),  I  am  happy..
 
 Thanks,
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 PS:  As  far  the  other  question  regarding  gender..  As  you  mentioned,  it  might  be  a  bit  early  to  ID  that  with  confidence.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

 References:
 
 1.  "True"  Green  Terror  V.  "False"  Green  Terror
 
 2.  Which  fish  do  I  have?  Green  Terror  ("Aequidens"  sp.  goldsaum)  vs.Blue  Acara  (Aequidens  pulcher)   (The  tear-mark  under  the  eye  in  one  of  my  fish  was  throwing  me  off..)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

                                                   
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 PS:  what  the  fish  it  first  picture  with  bluish  body  and  red  eyes...is  it  a  thai  silk  FH!!!  Dancing                

 
 That's  one  of  the  two  "feeder"  Flower  horns  I  was  talking  about  earlier.
 
 Hey,  can  you  post  a  picture  of  your  Green  Terror  as  well?  I  think  it's  going  to  be  male  too,  but  the  experts  here  can  confirm  one  way  or  another.
 
 Cheers,
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 PS:  You  have  not  been  posting  nearly  enough  pictures  of  your  fish  using  your  Birthday  present!!  Too  busy  with  the  Wii???  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

 they  are  gold  saum  green  terrors  not  blue  ocara
 
 can  tell  abt  the  sex
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: Re: IDing Green Terror Gender? Reply with quote

                                                   
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 PS:  what  the  fish  it  first  picture  with  bluish  body  and  red  eyes...is  it  a  thai  silk  FH!!!  Dancing                

 
 That's  one  of  the  two  "feeder"  Flower  horns  I  was  talking  about  earlier.
 
 
   You  have  not  been  posting  nearly  enough  pictures  of  your  fish  using  your  Birthday  present!!  Too  busy  with  the  Wii???  Chuckle                

 
 FH  as  feeders?!?!...heard  first  time
 
 about  the  picture.....yeah....exams  on  head...just  wait  till  vacation(1  nov)
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i  think  males  brighter  colours  than  females(not  sure)                

 where  in  the  gods  green  world  did  you  get  that   Surprised                

 
 I  have  1  male  and  3  females  at  the  moment  that  absolutely  fit  that  description.
 
 The  male  is  brightly  coloured  with  fluorescent  scale  borders.   The  females  are  much  darker,  without  the  variegated  pattern  of  the  male.
 
 I  plan  to  take  some  pics  when  I  have  the  time,  and  since  my  breeding  GTs  are  the  pride  of  my  tank  at  the  moment,  I  suppose  there  will  be  plenty  of  images  to  reinforce  the  above.
 
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