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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 I  have  Java  moss  tied  down  to  2  dritwoods  in  my  tank  for  the  last  1  month.  Have  DIY  CO2  and  2.5W/g  lighting.  Its  a  2  ft  long  tank  and  15"  deep.  The  moss  is  dull  green  and  turning  brown.  I  also  dose  2  ml  regularly  with  Plant  Magic  liquid  fertiliser.  Have  an  internal  power  filter  and  a  sponge  filter.  My  Amazon  Swords  and  African  Tiger  Lotus  are  doing  exceedingly  well,  not  sure  why  the  Moss  is  not  thriving.  Any  suggestions?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 Hi,
 The  basic  reason  i  think  is  because  of  the  temp  ,  what  is  your  tank  temp  ?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 Its  30*C  constant.  I  have  a  metal  sheet  hood.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 Thats  it   Chuckle  
 As  soon  as  the  temp  comes  down  to  27  C  ,  the  moss  grows   Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 atlleast  27  i  meant
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 I  tried  once  last  year  and  I  was  unsuccessful..  my  tank  temp  is  usually  25  C  (round  the  year).
 
 I  will  watch  this  thread  for  expert  comments.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 how  in  the  world  do  i  get  the  temp  down  to  <=27*C  unless  I  change  the  hood?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 Hi  Yogesh,
 I  second  Kshitij  on  the  temp.  I  used  to  have  the  same  problem  and  did  not  know  why  the  Moss  would  neither  grow  or  turn  brown,  until  I  realised  and  was  advised  to  try  and  lower  the  tempreture  as  well  as  (if  possible)  keep  the  water  clean(with  multiple  water  changes).
 
 This  has  changed  most  of  the  moss  I  have  to  lush  green  with  a  fantastic  growth.
 
 I  know  its  a  challenge  to  regulate  tempreture  in  Mumbai  to  less  than  27.  I  use  multiple  methods  though  I  would  not  say  that  it  would  work  for  you  nor  recommend  the  same.
 
 1.  Ice  Cubes
 2.  Keep  small  Water  Bottles(Ones  you  get  on  flight)  in  the  Deep-Freezer  and  then  once  then  dump  them  in  the  tank.
 3.  Keep  the  Hood  open  with  the  Aircon  on
 
 All  the  best.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 As  Royston  mentions  for  any  aquatic  moss  to  grow  well,  it  needs  mildly  clean  acidic  water  between  21  and  24  C  ideally.  Nutrient  contents  need  be  moderate,  as  mosses  uptake  isnt  as  rapid  as  more  complex  flowering  plants.  In  my  experience  I've  also  seen  it  needs  moderate  light.  IMO,  it's  not  really  suitable  for  low  light  tanks.  It'll  survive,  even  grow  a  bit;  but  you  will  not  get  that  beautiful   green  scaffolded  growth.
 
 IMO,  moss  in  Mumbai  without  a  chiller  is  quite  a  challenge.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 One  more  important  thing  to  consider  with  mosses  is  clean  water  and  the  moss  should  itself  be  dirt  free.
 
 Let  me  explain  this  in  detail.
 
 Efficient  filtration  with  as  much  media  as  possible  is  best  for  a  planted  tank,  usually  internal  filters  arent  adequate  in  terms  of  media(sponge/filetr  wool)  w.r.t  tank  capacity.  The  sponge  clogs  up  quite  soon(and  needs  frequent  cleaning)  else  it  become  inefficient.  And  once  it  clogs  the  particulate  matter  doesnt  gets  trap  in  there  and  hence  afloat  and  is  constantly  rotated  by  flow  from  the  powerhead.  These  dirt  particles  make  way  into  the  fine  leaved  plants  and  especially  mosses  and  get  settled  there.  Added  to  this  either  excess  of  fish  population  or  overfeeding  or  both  contribute  to  excess  of  detruitus.  Once  this  waste  particles  starts  covering  moss  surface,  it  get  deprived  of  lights  and  other  nutrients  it  takes  in  from  water  and  this  part  of  moss  slowly  browns  and  dies  out  and  the  further  strands  from  this  loose  connection  and  the  whole  structure  becomes  weaker  and  weaker.  If  anyone  is  not  sure  about  simple  structure  of  moss,  pleas  do  a  little  reading,  the  resources  explain  better  than  I  can.
 
 Same  holds  for  delicate  delicate  and  small  structured  plants,  for  example  HC,  hairgrass,  glosso,  etc.
 
 To  overcome  this,  firstly  you  need  a  good  filtration  with  lots  and  lots  of  media,  a  canister  filter  is  the  best  choice,  you  can  load  in  various  mediums  like  bioballs,  ceramic  rings,  etc  for  max  performance.  
 
 Second,  regular  maintenance.  Siphon  as  much  detritus  as  possible  from  the  base(gravel)  on  regular  basis.  
 
 Dust  the  mosses  off  dirt,  you  can  do  this  by  gently  waving  your  hand  close  to  the  moss  clump,  this  generates  a  brisk  flow  that  pushes  out  the  trapped  dirt,  siphon  his  from  the  other  end.  
 
 Keep  the  mosses  trimmed  and  under  control.  Same  applies  for  compact  FG  plants.
 
 Another  important  aspect  is  how  you  tie  the  moss.  Place  a  thin,  tight  and  uniform  layer  over  surfaces(wood,  rocks,  etc)  and  tie  it  firmly.  This  not  only  conserves  moss  for  your  further  tanks  but  also  helps  moss  to  hold  on  surfaces  well.  Heres  how  you  do  it.
 
 Mosses  grow  in  all  ranges  of  lights  from  low  to  very  high.  The  structure  and  growth  form  varies.  In  high  light  you  have  more  desirable  compact,  tight  and  thick  growth  while  low  light  gives  lean  stringy  growth.
 
 high  light  might  be  tempting  hence...I  would  like  to  moify  an  well-known  quote  and  present  it  here,  "With  high  light  comes  high  responsibility'  as  you  have  to  maintain  consistent  levels  of  nutrients(inc  CO2).
 
 Last  but  not  the  least  temperature,  a  known  fact  nowadays.
 Keep  it  below  29  for  all  planted  tanks,  though  29  the  extreme(in  uncontrollble  situations,  like  in  midst  of  Indian  summer),  best  range  is  around  24-26,  safe  for  all  kinds  of  plants  and  fishes.  ┬áSome  methods  for  cooling  down  mentioned  above.
 
 Bottom  line,  keep  it  clean,  keep  it  balanced(interms  of  light,  nutrients  and  temperature)  and  you  should  have  a  moss  growing  lush.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 i  had  bought  some  java  moss  about  3  months  back..kept  some  in  the  tank  and  some  in  a  bowl  outside..both  of  them  grew  very  slow,with  some  leaves  turning  brown  as  well..i  even  had  a  diy  co2  running  in  my  10  gallon  24/7..still  the  moss  did  not  show  any  signs  of  growth..until  it  was  the  moss  which  was  outside  which  is  finally  showing  astonishing  growth  of  late   Very Happy  
 the  rains  have  also  come  down  hard,which  might  have  helped  as  well   Cheering  i  guess  the  moss  intially  is  a  slow  starter..
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 All,
 
 Thanks  for  the  advice.  Really  helpful.  Currently,  am  more  or  less  resigned  to  see  the  moss  die  slowly  as  I  am  in  ofice  more  than  10hrs  per  day  and  so  cannot  keep  regulating  the  temp.  Most  methods  above  require  regular  intervention.  The  only  thing  I  can  think  of  is  to  take  the  metal  hood,  get  sojme  slits  cut  into  it  for  the  air  to  circulate  and  the  heat  from  tube  to  escape.
 
 I  am  toying  with  the  idea  of  upgrading  to  a  3ft  or  so  tank,  am  on  lookout  for  same  in  WTB/WTS/WTG  forum  and  the  moss  was  basically  being  grown  for  that  tank.  Many  experienced  people  (including  Mr.  Carey  from  whom  I  just  bought  a  bag  of  ADA  Amazonia  II)  recommend  cannister  filter,  but  the  cost  becomes  a  deterrent.  Can  anyone  advise  via  PM  where  I  can  get  a  good  deal  on  a  good  cannister,  I  was  thinking  of  a  overhead  filter  as  an  alternative.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Java Moss may be dying Reply with quote

 Well,  I'm  quite  surprise  nobody  recommend  using  fan  to  cool  down  the  temperature  Sad
 Since  you  are  thinkin  of  making  some  slits  on  the  hood...then  might  as  well  make  a  hole  for  PC  or  AC  fans.  If  you  can  get  AC  fans  that  would  be  great,  as  you  can  directly  plug  in  to  the  power  supply,  otherwise  you  will  need  an  adapter  for  the  PC  fans.  With  fans,  you  can  bring  down  the  temperature  to  2-3  degrees....that  would  be  good  enough  for  Java  moss  :D
 
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