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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 Hi  Experts,
 
 Pls.  tell  me  what  type  of  Disease  it  is  !!   and  what's  the  solution  !!
 
 I  already  lost  2  5.5"  with  in  3  days  ....nothing  work...Salt,  Antibiotic  .....
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Experts  Please  ...........
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 never  seen  anytthing  like  that  ..looks  like  fungus  to  me  
 
 add  some  external  parasite  medicins,,,salt  ,,,,increase  temp  and  few  drops  of  methyle  blue  
 
 if  any  other  discus  are  suffering  from  it  u  can  use  d  above  thing  ....I  AM  JUST  GSSING  DONT  KNOW  EXACTLY  ........
 
 I  AM  ALSO  DOUBTING  A  HEATER  BURN  OR  SOMTHING
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:14 am Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 To  me  it  looks  like  a  hexamita  infection  that  has  further  deteriorated  with  bacterial  infection  also.
 
 I  don't  know  the  medication/dosage  for  hexamita,  google  for  answers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 Hi  Abhi  ,
 
 At  present  ,  how  many  discus  is  having  this  problem  .
 Is  this  problem  for  discus  in  only  one  tank  or  in  other  tank  also  .
 Is  there  any   plecos  in  this  tank  ?
 Have  you  given  Formalin  bath  for  this  discus  ?
 Is  there  any  pointed  object  inside  the  tank  or  to  the  tank  cover  .  
 Are  they  eating  well  and  moving  in  the  tank  ?
 Pl  try  to  recollect  what  all  action  you  have  done  before  such  things  happen  ?
 If  I  am  not  mistaken  one  of  your  discus  had  already  recovered  by  using  Antibiotics  ,  is  this  correct  ?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:43 am Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 Well  here  it  is...
 
 
 At  present  ,  how  many  discus  is  having  this  problem  .  
 >  Right  now  no....the  above  one  died  today  morning.....
 
 
 Is  this  problem  for  discus  in  only  one  tank  or  in  other  tank  also  .  
 >  Only  one  tank
 
 Is  there  any  ┬áplecos  in  this  tank  ?
 >  No
   
 Have  you  given  Formalin  bath  for  this  discus  ?  
 >  No
 
 Is  there  any  pointed  object  inside  the  tank  or  to  the  tank  cover  .  
 >  No  
 
 Are  they  eating  well  and  moving  in  the  tank  ?  
 >  Existin  3  are  doing  ok
 
 Pl  try  to  recollect  what  all  action  you  have  done  before  such  things  happen  ?  
 >  Due  to  bellow  one  I  continue  12  days  Antibiotic  Course...1st  one  Female  Blue  Turq.  Died...same  thing  happen  with  him
 but  it  was  in  his  head....Others  was  ok....the  above  one  effected  Wednesday  moning  ...till  I  continue  the  Antibiotic  course  
 as  we  discussed...
 But  the  newly  effeted  one  spreade  rapidly  and  today  he  is  died  ....
 
 If  I  am  not  mistaken  one  of  your  discus  had  already  recovered  by  using  Antibiotics  ,  is  this  correct  
 >Right...he  is  ok  now
 
 
 
 I  always  change  with  warm  water  as  per  ank  Temp.  No  other  fish  with  them....Last  13  days  Antibiotic  treatment  was  going  
 on  and  do  the  WC  as  per  Shiva's  advice.  He  was  perfectly  on  till  last  Twesday....Suddenly  he  was  attacked  with  this...
 
 I  am  afraid  that  I  don't  know  how  to  cure  this  particular  Disease  if  it  happen  again...........  Crying or Very sad  Anybody  Pls.  .....................
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  am  afraid  that  I  don't  know  how  to  cure  this  particular  Disease  if  it  happen  again                

 
 Such  wound  never  happens  suddenly  in  discus,  it  may  be  started  with  minor  wound  and  due  to  poor  water  quality  it  must  have  spread.  Iam   still  unable  to  understand  how  this  might  have  happen  .  Again  be  careful  while  keeping  normal  plecos  with  discus  .  
 
 Good  to  know  that   presently  all  your  discus  are  doing  well  .  
 
 Next  time  if  you  find  such  bigger  size  wound  ,  remove  discus  from  the  tank  and   hold  on  the  discus  in  wet   towel  and  apply  antibiotic  paste  on  the  wound  and  after  5  seconds  put  him  back  in  to  the  tank  .  Same  time  also  put  Antibiotics  in  water.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 Thank  u  shiva  ........
 
 What  be  the  dose  of  antibiotic  paste  and  how  I  will  make  it  !!  Just  small  qty  water  and  antibiotic  powder  ?
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 Abhi  Da  few  questions
 1.  How  do  you  drain  the  water  for  WC?  Using  pipe  or  bucket?
 2.  Do  you  have  heater  in  your  tank?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:26 am Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 This  could  be  caused  primarily  by  parasites......and  one  of  them  may  be  costia.  Costia  can  dislodge  the  scales  when  they  are  in  uncontrollable  proportion(but  this  may  not  be  the  only  cause).
 
 After  the  scales  are  dislodged...it  naturally  leads  to  damage  of  the  epidermis  too.
 
 Then  comes  to  secondary  infection  by  bacteria.  And  the  main  bacterium  that  can  cause  ucler-like  wounds  is  Aeromona  Hydrophilla  which  is  an  opportunist  and  pathogenic  when  triggered  and  the  attack  is  rapid.
 
 As  the  wound  gets  larger,  more  blood  and  salt  leached  out  leading  to  insufficient  blood  supply  to  that  area  hence  less  immune  soldiers  to  fight  the  invaders.....and  the  wound  gets  worse.  Further  to  that,  loss  of  salt  leads  to  dehydration.
 
 Therefore  it  is  expected  that  when  a  discus  is  at  this  stage,  the  whole  body  is  stiff  and  the  death  is  generally  caused  by  dehydration  and  loss  of  blood.
 
 Just  to  bear  in  mind:  Not  just  any  antibiotic  will  work.....as  Aeromonas  are  resistant  to  many  antibiotics.
 
 Treatment:  Appropriate  antibiotic(s)  plus  200gms  of  common  salt  per  100  litres  of  water  for  a  period  of  2  weeks  or  till  it  recovers.
 
 ***But  at  chronic  stage,  it  is  extremely  hard  to  save.
 
 Take  care,
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 Thanks  a  lot  Mr.  Andrew..........
 
 Just  one  question  :  What  should  be  the  Appropriate  antibiotic(s)  for  this  !!
 
 
 Thanks  again..........
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 Abhi  Da,
 
 The  Discus  died,  did  i  seen  her????????
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 Yes....my  drwaing  room  tank...........
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Abhi  Da  few  questions
 1.  How  do  you  drain  the  water  for  WC?  Using  pipe  or  bucket?
 2.  Do  you  have  heater  in  your  tank?                

 
 1>  Using  Pipe
 2>  Sure  200  W  Rena  Thermostat........
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:03 am Post subject: Re: What type of Disease it is !! Reply with quote

 Andrew  ,
 
 Many  thanks  for  your  quick  reply  to  this  post  and  your  detailed  explanation  to  this   case  .  
 
 So  the  bacteria  that  cause   ulcer  like  wound  is  "  Aeromonas  Hydrophila  "   and  the  treatment  is  Antibiotics  and  Salt  .
 
 The  main  point  to  note  here  is  the  selection  of  antibiotics  ,  since  this  bacterium  has  resistance  to  certain  antibiotics
 
 Abhi  ,  Dosage  for  each  antibiotics  differs  from   antibiotics  to  antibiotics  .  
 
 
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 Never  seen  such  a  thing,  I  feel  sorry  looking  at  the  condition  of  your  discus.  Hope  the  others  are  safe  and  may  this  not  happen  in  future.
 All  the  best.
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