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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject: Mesnoemacheilus spp. Reply with quote

 Hi  all  can  anyone  shed  any  light  as  to  why  some  species  of  Mesonoemacheilus  e.g.  M.  triangularis  are  listed  under  Nemacheilus  by  the  CAS  Catalog  of  Fishes.  Thanks  in  advance!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Mesnoemacheilus spp. Reply with quote

 Matt,  I  wonder  how  this  thread  went  unnoticed!
 
 Someone  should  pitch  in  with  reply  for  your  query.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Mesnoemacheilus spp. Reply with quote

 Hey  Shankar  do  you  know  I'm  on  here   right  now  searching  for  info  on  this  genus!  Had  left  it  behind  as  no-one  I  asked  could  answer  the  question  but  returning  now.  :-)  
 
 Reading  some  threads  on  here  I  notice  most  of  you  guys  refer  to  them  as  Mesonoemacheilus  spp.  whereas  different  authors  have  listed  the  genus  as  both  Mesonemchaileus  and  Noemacheilus  (correctly,  Nemacheilus)  in  the  last  10  years.  Does  anyone  know  what  the  generally-accepted  convention  and  why  it  is  so?
 
 Thanks  a  lot
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Mesnoemacheilus spp. Reply with quote

 Matt,
 Even  today  you  can  see  Checklist  papers  with  the  old  convention  Noemacheilus  (or  Nemacheilus).   K.C.Jayaram's  book  places  all  Indian  Cobitidae  under  Noemacheilus  except  Aborichthys  &  Oreonectes  (Indoreonectes).   Even  Acanthocobitis,  Nemachilichtys  &  Schisturas  were  considered  Subgenera.   Until  now  I  haven't  come  across  any  paper  which  distingushes  between  Indian  Nemacheilus  &  Mesosnemacheilus.   Long  back  me  and  Rahul  had  a  conversation  about  the  same  and  he  was  in  the  opinion  all  Indian  "Nemacheilus"  should  be  placed  under  Mesonemacheilus.   But  on  a  general  note,  Nemacheilus  (anguilla,  monilis,  stigmofasciata)  have  a  thinner  streamline  body  which  has  a  "carrot  shape"  (the  head  falling  steeply  down  towards  the  snout  from  the  orbit)  when  compared  to  Mesonemacheilus  (triangularis,  petrubanarescuii,  ramadevii,  guntherii,  herreii)  which  have  a  comparably  stocky  body  and  a  "torpedo  shape"  (the  head  falling  smoothly  towards  the  snout).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Mesnoemacheilus spp. Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  very  useful  input  Madhu.  :-)  I  think  Banarescu  &  Nalbant  1995  might  have  some  further  info  and  have  just  received  a  hard  copy  so  will  check  and  post  up  here  if  there's  anything  worthwhile.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Mesnoemacheilus spp. Reply with quote

                                                   
madhu_ulysses  wrote  (View  Post):                
 Long  back  me  and  Rahul  had  a  conversation  about  the  same  and  he  was  in  the  opinion  all  Indian  "Nemacheilus"  should  be  placed  under  Mesonemacheilus.   But  on  a  general  note,  Nemacheilus  (anguilla,  monilis,  stigmofasciata)  have  a  thinner  streamline  body  which  has  a  "carrot  shape"  (the  head  falling  steeply  down  towards  the  snout  from  the  orbit)  when  compared  to  Mesonemacheilus  (triangularis,  petrubanarescuii,  ramadevii,  guntherii,  herreii)  which  have  a  comparably  stocky  body  and  a  "torpedo  shape"  (the  head  falling  smoothly  towards  the  snout).                

 
 Nemacheilus  stigmofasciata
 
 
 Mesonemacheilus  cf.  petrubanarescuii
 
 Check  the  head  shape  of  both  fishes.
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Mesnoemacheilus spp. Reply with quote

 Thank  you  Nayak,  the  head  shape  is  indeed  quite  distinct.  Very  useful  photos!
 
 According  to  Banarescu  and  Nalbant  in  that  paper  I  mentioned  earlier  another  difference  between  these  and  Nemacheilus  spp.  is  that  the  pair  of  rostral  barbels  on  each  side  of  the  mouth  are  confluent  at  their  bases.
 
 I'm  now  on  the  hunt  for  the  following  if  any  kindly  soul  is  able  to  help:
 
 Shaji,  C.  P.  2002.  Mesonoemacheilus  remadevii  (Pisces:  Balitoridae.  Nemeacheilinae)  from  Silent  Valley  National  Park,  Kerala.  Indian  Journal  of  Fisheries  v.  49  (no.  2):  217-221.
 
 Madhusoodana  Kurup,  B.  and  K.  V.  Radhakrishnan.  2005.  Fishes  of  the  genus  Nemacheilus  (Bleeker  1863)  in  Kerala  with  description  of  a  new  species,  Nemacheilus  periyarensis.  Journal  of  the  Bombay  Natural  History  Society  v.  102  (pt  1):  75-78.
 
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