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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: What is more toxic ? Reply with quote

 Hi  guys
 
 Going  by  the  fact  that  uneaten  food  and  the  waste  produced  by  fish  both  produce  Ammonia.  Which  one  of  the  two  is  more  toxic  in  an  unplanted  setup  ?  
 
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 uneaten  food  is  produces  more  ammonia.
 
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 Ammonia  itself  is  toxic  whether  it  is  from  the  fish  or  from  the  uneaten  food.  
 
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Re: What is more toxic ? Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  guys
 
 Going  by  the  fact  that  uneaten  food  and  the  waste  produced  by  fish  both  produce  Ammonia.  Which  one  of  the  two  is  more  toxic  in  an  unplanted  setup  ?  
 
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 Suby                

 Hi  Suby,  Just  could  not  resist  this,
 How  do  you  differenciate  between  the  two  when  you  clean  the  tank,  do  you  want  to  put  one  of  them  back  Chuckle
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 IMO,  In  some  cases  (Discus  Tanks)  uneaten  food  are  more  toxic  than  waste  produced  by  fish...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:48 am Post subject: Re: What is more toxic ? Reply with quote

                                                   
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Suby7272  wrote:                
Hi  guys
 
 Going  by  the  fact  that  uneaten  food  and  the  waste  produced  by  fish  both  produce  Ammonia.  Which  one  of  the  two  is  more  toxic  in  an  unplanted  setup  ?  
 
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 Suby                

 Hi  Suby,  Just  could  not  resist  this,
 How  do  you  differenciate  between  the  two  when  you  clean  the  tank,  do  you  want  to  put  one  of  them  back  Chuckle                

 
   Chuckle    Not  really  !!
 What  I  had  in  mind  was  a  comparison  between  two  tanks  -  one  in  which  there  is  uneaten  food,  and  the  other  which  has  fish  waste.  Was  wondering  if  the  amount  ammonia  produced  by  these  two  factors  would  be  dissimilar  or  what.  The  whole  idea  is  to  determine  how  effective  adding  bottom  feeders  to  an  unplanted  tank  is.  Hope  you  get  my  point  now    Smile  
 
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 Okay  Suby
 I  don't  think  there  is  any  easy  way  to  differenciate  between  the  two.
 What  type  of  substrate  do  you  have,  if  it  is  a  bb  tank  bottom  feeders  might  have  problems.
 Bottom  feeders  like  pleco,  cories,  loaches  sift  through  substrate  for  food.
 I  have  a  small  pleco  in  all  my  tanks.  However  if  you  have  bottom  feeders  you  have  to  ensure  that  they  get  enough  to  eat  otherwise  problems  will  occur.
 The  decision  to  keep  bottom  feeders  would  also  depend  on  what  fishes  you  have.
 BTW  if  have  not  kept  loaches,  try  &  have  some,  they  are  delightful  to  have.
 Only  yesterday  I  thought  I  had  lost  one.  After  20  minutesof  intense  scrutiny  I  found  it  inside  the  outlet  of  power  filter.  Mercisully  it  was  not  running  Very Happy  
 Hope  it  helps.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

                                                   
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Okay  Suby
 if  it  is  a  bb  tank  bottom  feeders  might  have  problems.                

 
 Tell  me  why??
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 well  suby,
 IMUO  fish  waste  is  a  bi-product  which  is  excreated  by  fish  after  digesting  most  of  the  proteins  so  is  less  harmful  than  uneaten  food  which  has  raw  proteins.
 This  really  is  an  interesting  topic  to  consider  when  transporting  fish!
 -  Remember,  a  reputed  fish  dealer  will  never  sell  you  fish  after  feeding  it  for  the  simple  reason  that  fish  vomit  out  a  fresh  feeding  in  the  bag  which  will  pollute  the  small  quantity  of  water  in  the  bag  very  fast.
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Okay  Suby
 if  it  is  a  bb  tank  bottom  feeders  might  have  problems.                

 
 Tell  me  why??                

 
 Bottom  feeders  like  cories  &  loaches  have  soft  feelers  for  sifting  substrate.
 A  hard  glass  bottom  will  either  hurt  them  or  it  not  be  appropiate  to  deny  them  their  usual  behaviour.
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 Bottom  feeders  like  cories  &  loaches  have  soft  feelers  for  sifting  substrate.
 A  hard  glass  bottom  will  either  hurt  them  or  it  not  be  appropiate  to  deny  them  their  usual  behaviour.                

 
 Very  true.  Plus  sometimes  bottom  feeders  if  do  not  get  enough  to  eat,  go  after  the  tails  of  slow  moving  fish.  
 
 I  have  seen  lots  of  loaches  run  after  bettas,  or  even  barbs,  cutting  their  tails  like  as  if  they  are  running  with  a  pair  of  scissors!!    Whip  
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I  have  seen  lots  of  loaches  run  after  bettas,  or  even  barbs,  cutting  their  tails  like  as  if  they  are  running  with  a  pair  of  scissors!!                  

 ever  tried  catching  them  in  your  hand?      Wink
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I  have  seen  lots  of  loaches  run  after  bettas,  or  even  barbs,  cutting  their  tails  like  as  if  they  are  running  with  a  pair  of  scissors!!                  

 ever  tried  catching  them  in  your  hand?      Wink                

 
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   Chuckle  I  believe  you  -  but,  it  does  need  skill  to  catch  a  loach  with  bare  hands    Thumb Up  
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I  have  seen  lots  of  loaches  run  after  bettas,  or  even  barbs,  cutting  their  tails  like  as  if  they  are  running  with  a  pair  of  scissors!!                  

 ever  tried  catching  them  in  your  hand?      Wink                

 
 Yes  Wink                

 
 Did  you  manage  to  catch  it??  Very Happy
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