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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 11:54 am Post subject: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 Dear  fellow  hobbiest,
 
    Can  anyone  tell  that  new  "Via  aqua  sk388  needle  wheel  skimmer"  has  any  good?  Will  that  model  sufficient  for  120gallon  fowlr  system?
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 Seven  viewers,  but  not  a  single  reply  Shocked  !!!
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 Reef  Octopus  DNWB-150  6"  Recirculating  Protein  Skimmer
 
 Or  a  bigger  version  if  you  can  afford  it..
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 Hello  arnab,
 
    Dont  have  any  experince  about  sk388  needle  wheel  skimmer  but  it  may  be  better  than  previous  version.
 
    As  gatrox  said  DNWB  150  is  great  skimmer,  even  Reef  Octopus  NWB  150  or  NWB  200  may  be  a  good  option  for  you.
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 Hello,
 
   @Gatorx,  Thanks  for  the  suggetion,  Actually  first  i  planned  for  NWB150.  But  due  to  some  accidental  case  some  money  was  spend.  Now  due  to  low  budget  i  cant  afford  that  skimmer  right  now.  Advice  me  some  cheaper  version.
 
   @Jit,  right  now  i  am  not  in  a  position  to  afford  1xxxx  -  15xxx  for  skimmer.  i  am  looking  for  some  economical  skimmer  now,  i  will  upgrade  it  after  a  year  or  so.
 
                      
    Is  it  possible  to  go  for  skimmerless  right  now  with  keeping  bio-load  low  &  increase  water  change  schedule?
 
   System  details:
   Tank-48"*24"*24"  ,  120gallon
   Sump+Refugiem-  36*18*18  50gallon  
   LR-40kgs
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 When  you  buy  a  skimmer,  buy  the  one  you  want.  Buying  a  cheap  one  (and  in  this  case...unproven)  is  a  waste  of  money.
 
 Reef  octopus  is  a  good  brand,  used  all  over  the  world.
 
 You  could  go  skimmerless  now,  as  long  you're  running  a  FO  or  FOWLR  only  tank.
 
 Maybe  even  a  softie  reef  would  be  doable,  with  regular  water  changes.  Keep  the  bioload  low.
 
 When  you  do  buy  a  skimmer,  get  one  rated  for  minimum  300g.  You'll  thank  me  later   Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 Thanks  Nonza  for  your  inputs,  I  planned  for  Reef  octopus  NWB  200  after  a  year  or  so.
    If  Via  aqua  sk  388  needle  wheel  skimmer(rated  for  250gallon)  or  other  cheap  skimmer     are  waste  of  money  then  i  would  like  to  go  skimmerless  now.  
 
    Regarding  low  bio  loads,  total  of  30"  fish  length  is  ok?  or,  should  i  keep  less?
 
    WC  schedule  -  15%  every  two  week?   or,  more?
   Advice  needed.
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 Just  remember  the  concept  of  nutrient  import  vs  export.  Basically,  whatever  nutrients  you  put  in,  you  should  be  able  to  take  it  out.
 
 Skimmers,  water  changes  etc  help  in  export.  15%  every  two  weeks  sounds  good.  I  do  10%,  for  the  record.
 
 What  are  your  plans  for  this  tank  long-term?  I'm  sure  you'll  end  up  with  at  least  a  softie  reef,  which  is  why  I'm  harping  on  saving  for  the  skimmer.
 
 Since  you'll  be  running  skimmerless  for  a  while,  go  for  small  fish.  It  may  be  fun  to  post  your  stocking  plans  on  IAH,  so  everyone  can  see.
 
 The  rule  of  30"  inch  isn't  really  accurate.  For  example,  a  30"  grouper  is  gonna  create  far  more  waste  than  30x1"  damsels.
 
 Which  is  why  I  recommend  small  fish,  and  maybe  one  show  specimen.
 
 Hope  this  helps
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 There  is  another  good  option  -  Chaeto  ;  it  definitely  did  wonders  to  my  reef  tank  as  well  as  few  other  reefers.  
 
 I  battled  nitrates  and  phosphates  for  months  by  water  changes,  vodka,  seachem  purigen  etc,  but  now  the  only  thing  i  do  is  dosing  for  alk  and  calcium.  Entire  system  is  stable  now.
 
 I  have  a  normal  Boyu  skimmer  for  a  120  gallon  but  nitrates  and  phosphates  are  always  zero  after  chaeto  addition,  with  a  bio  load  of  10  good  sized  fishes  (3-4"  each).
 
 I  no  longer  worry  about  spending  money  on  a  expensive  skimmer;  just  a  36  watt  pll  lit  8  -  10  hours  a  day.  Weekly  trim  a  large  chunk  of  chaeto.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 Hey  anilime,
 
 How  about  passing  on  some  chaeto  which  you  trimmed?  Drinking  
 
 Or  any  place,  where  we  can  get  chaeto?
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 @Nonza,  Yes,  you  are  right.  i  had  a  plan  for  softies  &  LPS  tank  in  future.  I  yet  not  decided  about  the  stocking  list.  but  had  a  plan  for  1  or  2  clowns,  goby,  blenny  ,gramma,  banana,   wrasse,  regal  tang  &  possibly  a  wimple  fish.  Any  new  idea  about  stocking  list  would  be  also  welcome.  Smile  
 
   @anilme,  i  build  my  refugium  for  nutrient  export  &  pod  production.  So,  cheato  is  my  1st  choice.  Will  one  36watt  pll  enough  for  cheato  growth?  Which  boyu  skimmer  model  you  are  using  in  your  system?  Are  you  satisfied  with  that  skimmer?  Tell  us  about  your  stocking  list.  so  that  i  can  get  some  idea.  Smile  
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 @  Arnab:  Your  stocking  plan  is  quite  good.  However,  I'm  not  sure  I'd  go  with  the  banana  and  the  wimple  (may  not  be  reef  safe,  but  I've  never  kept  either).  You  could  substitute  the  banana  for  a  flasher/fairy  wrasse/leopard  wrasse.  You  could  also  add  maybe  chromis,  cardinals  etc.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 This  is  my  skimmer  -  
 http://www.shopatsimba.com/product_info.php?cPath=350&products_id=5375  
 
 It  does  not  work  like  a  10K+  skimmer,  but  I  am  happy  with  it.  It  takes  almost  one  month  to  fill  the  collection  cup  with  skimmate  (wet  skimming);  nutrients  are  less  for  skimming,  seen  by  the  growth  of  chaeto.
 
 I  was  initially  using  a  20W  6500K  CFL  and  it  too  worked  fine;  the  chaeto  growth  was  nice.
 My  livestock  is  -  1  yellow  tang,  1  fox  face,  1  maroon  clown,  2  sebae  clowns,  2  chromis,  1  mandarin,2  anthias  ,  2  cleaner  shrimps.
 
 Turn  the  chaeto  everyday  so  that  all  the  sides  get  enough  light.  
 
 One  of  my  friend  has  a  reef  with  a  small  weipro  skimmer  just  for  name  sake,  but  got  almost  90  kgs  of  LR's  with  no  sump.  All  parms  are  always  in  check;  he  has  got  a  monti  almost  2  feet  in  diameter  and  growing.  The  matured  LR's  take  care  of  nitrates.  
 
 It's  not  always  necessary  to  go  with  a  very  expensive  skimmer  if  you  have  enough  LR's  or  macro's.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Skimmer choice Reply with quote

 @anilme
 
 I  don't  mean  to  be  rude,  but  as  you've  said  yourself,  it  doesn't  work  like  a  10k+  skimmer.  That's  precisely  why  arnab  would  be  better  off  going  skimmerless,  until  he  can  purchase  a  good  skimmer.  No  point  wasting  money.  The  rest  of  your  explanation  in  going  skimmerless  is  perfectly  accurate  and  informative.  Arnab  would  do  well  to  follow  your  advice.
 
 @arnab
 I've  owned  about  6  skimmers  on  different  tanks,  excluding  the  local  rubbish  available.  It  makes  a  difference.  
 
 Why  would  one  even  require  a  skimmer?  You  don't.  However,  having  a  skimmer  increases  your  capacity  for  nutrient  export,  thereby  allowing  you  keep  more  fish,  feed  to  a  larger  extent,  less  algae  trouble  etc.
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 Hi,
 
    @anilme,  you  have  some  nice  fish  collection  there.  Please  post  some  snaps  of  your  tank.  so  that  we  can  see  those  beauties.Very Happy  
       Regarding  skimmer:  If  a  skimmer  cup  filled(wet  skimmate  not  dry)  once  in  a  month  with  that  much  of  bio-load  then  spending  4xxx-5xxx  is  just   waste  of  hard  earned  money.  May  be  every  people  have  different  plan  &  thoughts,  but  i  feel  personally  to  go  without  a  skimmer  rather  then  spending  5xxx  for  skimmer  and  not  geting  desired  result.
    
    @Nonza,  I  know  banana  wrasse  &  wimple  fish  are  not  reef  safe,  but  my  tank  become  a  FOWLR.  so  i  have  decide  to  go  with  those  fish  now  &  later  will  be  replace  with  some  reef  compatiable  fish.
 
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