Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: albino guppy siting to bottem of th tank & die
hi, my albino guppy siting to bottem of th tank & ater few day die, their fins & tails is shrink or contract i am not able to id. this disease? pls. any buddy tell me which diseases is this & how to treat this
Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: albino guppy siting to bottem of th tank & die
sorry to hear that, can u post a few close up pics , thn i can help u diagnose
Sitting at the bottom - this symptom can mean a lot of things basically its unwell, but if a few more symptoms are added it can mean something,
tail & fins shrinking i guess u mean are being shortened or eaten away- straight off it looks like fin rot but fin rot is general term , we need to see what bacteria is causing it then i can recommend a treatment.
would help is you can write down detail symptoms from when u saw it being unwell
Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: albino guppy siting to bottem of th tank & die
tank size, filtration, feeding ,tank temperature, water change regime etc..
my tank size is 4'X1.5'X1.5', i use 2 sponge filter in tank, tank temperature is around 26 to 28, i change half water in every 3/4 days
Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: Re: albino guppy siting to bottem of th tank & die
OK, you have mentioned that your guppies are fairly new, also that they are not Shimming as mentioned by Pradeep. Also that their tail is frayed (u said cut i m assuming u meant - looks torn & shredded look), with bloody tip.
U have also mentioned you have a 100 guppies - thats a lot even though as per your specs your tank works up to 254ltr tank. I would recommend 4-5 nos per 50 ltrs, so u could keep abt 50 -60.
But if u r changing abt 50% water twice a week like u mentioned, i think u can manage with these nos. (recommended not to)
Now assessing from what u have told, i think your guppies have a gram negative bacterial infection , most likely "Pseudomonas septicemia" leading to fin rot .
Now to tell u why i feel your fish has this disease i will explain a bit more for your knowledge & so that in future u can diagnose better.
firstly the information is limited, fish display similar symptoms when sick or are infected. For example- not eating food, staying aloof, fin damage, color change, change in their feces,etc. In india few places have proper veterinary facility to examine fishes & treat them. so no X-ray, blood sample, tissue analysis,etc.
So when we are relying only on external symptoms, it is important to have sequence of events or clear combination of symptoms. Also different bacteria effect different fishes differently.
eg- if fish has blood shot eyes, bleeding veins, ulcers, blood hemorrhages at base of its fins it will mostly be a Aeromonas Hydrophila bacterial infection. If the same symptoms are present with fin or tail damage it will be Pseudomonas Bacteria strain. so a subtle change can tell u more, this is important cause then we can use the correct antibiotic, effective towards that bacteria, rather than using a broad spectrum antibiotics & save more fishes.
Now as you have mentioned severe fin shortening with bloody stains on fins I believe your guppies are dieing of
pseudomonas infection. Cause of the disease is mainly poor water quality that enables this bacteria to bloom & which results in fish immunity dropping & these bacteria are opportunistic & will start infecting the fish.
I think since u said u maintain your water well with water changes (incl. siphoning all the dirt from the bottom) every 2 to 3 days, most probably the LFS from where u bought the guppies would have kept them in poor conditions & would have carried the infection to your tank.
The best course of action is a antibiotic bath treatment. u can also prepare a medicated food & feed them, but for guppies i think the bath treatment is easier & works well. I will give u three options in receding order of preference:
1> u can buy off the counter medication from LFS, most are imported & all costly with a price range of 10$ to 30$. They come with instructions of use. The best in that for this disease is Seachem's -kanaplex ; followed by API's -FURAN-2 (not Furan-1)or API's -Triple sulpha or Mardel- Maracyn Plus . U can use which ever u get.
if u dont prefer allopathic medicine, u can use herbal remedies, most effective in this case will be API's- Melafix.
2> You can use a antibiotic available in India in medical stores that keep veterinary medications called ENROCIN 15 ml Injection vial bottle. (Rs.49/bottle). This is the most effective against this bacteria. i would recommend this.
Dosage & usage:-
u will need to use 500mg to 600mg for your tank size. So abt 5ml to 6ml per dose. Change the water 60% after 6 hours of adding the antibiotic.(recommended not to exceed beyond 10hr exposure). Repeat the dosage every 24 hrs (ie: every day) & follow the process for 5 days, so 5 doses will have to be done. If required up to 8 days , so 8 doses of the same.
3> if you cant find Enrocin or its difficult, then you can use this medicine - BACTRIM DS, available at all medical stores, since its still used in human medication. Though less effective than the above one, but works pretty well. also is cheaper.
Dosage & usage:
Bactrim DS is available as a tablet of 10 tabs per strip. each tab is 800mg. u will have to buy 3 strips, each costing abt 12RS. U will have to use 3 tabs per dose. powder 3 tabs properly as fine as possible then mix well in a mug of warm water & pour into the tank. mix it well into the tank my stirring it in the tank . after 24 hrs change 50% water & repeat the dosage. U will have to do this for 10 days, so 10 doses.
Other points to remember - pl. raise temperature to 28C or 29C. (when running antibiotics u need to raise the temp. to increase efficacy of the drug, & help the fish to metabolize the drug better). Increase the aeration in the tank by increasing the bubble flow of your sponge filters, this is important since in warmer water solubility of oxygen is poor. Also u can buy a bottle of acriflavine & add it to the tank it will help in disinfecting the damaged fins.
Most General aid medications available at aquarium shops is acriflavine. Just ask for general aid medication at your LFS & a thumb rule to check if its that; is that acriflavine will be a yellowish in color or greenish yellow in color. Add this after every water change everyday with the medication as per instructions on the bottle.
Remember to follow the dosage & process for the full course for effectiveness.
Guppies that are in the secondary stage of the disease might not respond to the medication since the infection would hav become systemic & fatal. But it will save the others & prevent the infection from spreading to others & becoming virulent, & heal the ones in primary stage of symptoms. Also if u dont want to run the medication in the main tank & have a smaller treatment tank, u can net the sick guppies & do the same treatment. calculate the volume & follow the same dilutions.
Recommended in the main tank since guppies being small u cant notice the primary symptoms, also if abt 8 to 10 guppies u feel are infected then the bacteria has become virulent & will be in high nos & the risk of them spreading to other fishes is high.
also if u notice any other symptoms like whitish patch around the mouth or on the dorsal fin, if the damaged fin has a whitish edge to it or the gills of the fish are opened up, spots on the skin,etc. do post or pm, since it means the infection is different or more severe & i can recommend additional steps to take.
In my experience this was effective for this infection & worked for my friends too. So hope this helps u, any doubts do reply.
Remember the best way is to prevent rather than treat.
So keep your water quality good, frequent water changes, keep the source of your water good. Many people who use bore-well water or from a well will see a rise in infections especially after the rains.
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: albino guppy siting to bottem of th tank & die
Got your PM Thanks for the feedback, hope it works, do reply on their developments.
Also for your ease in identifying & buying the medicines, I am attaching their pics. Wanna see them survive & you succeeding.
Thank you Abis9 & parthapratim22, hope to write more information when other queries come, its a sad need in India & many loose a lot to diseases; & most of the off -shelf meds are imported & expensive & out of reach for many.
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