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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: A planted bowl - FEASIBLE ?? Reply with quote

 Hiya  fellas  ,
 
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 I  happen  to  have  a  bowl  in  my  attic  that  i  plan  to  make  use  of   Idea  .  So  ,  here  s  my  question  :  Is  it  possible  to  make  a  planted  setup  in  the  bowl  ??     
 
 The  bowl  should  hold  about  1.5  gallons
 
 I  plan  to  grow  a  Betta  fish  in  the  bowl  ,  no  CO2  stuff  whatsoever  .  
 
 If  i  am  good  to  go  ,  what  substrate  should  i  use  and  what  plants  should  i  consider  ??
 
 Thanks  guys  ...
 
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 You  can  do  it  Thumb Up  
 This  should  help  you:
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You  can  do  it  Thumb Up  
 This  should  help  you:
 Video:  Jungle  Bubble                

 
 I  came  across  that  video  some  time  back  .  At  that  time  my  first  impression  was  it  was  just  setup  for  the  contest  that  the  dude  was  on  .  I  thought  it  was  set  the  prior  day  or  the  day  before  that  .
 
 But  after  reading  the  preface  its  good  to  know  the  dude's  been  maintaining  it  for  nearly  6  months  .  But  i  think  its  a  larger  bowl  and  its  got  CO2  system  .
 
 So  is  it  feasible  without  CO2  setup  ?
 
 Can  i  introduce  Betta  splendens  in  it  ?   Any  alternate  choice  of  fishes  other  than  betta  fish  ??
 
 Thanks  mate  ..
 
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 i  had  a  bowl  with  gravels  and  cabomba  caroliana  kept  near  the  window  and  fitted  with  a  night  bulb.  the  plant  blossomed,  i  had  4  guppies  in  it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: A planted bowl - FEASIBLE ?? Reply with quote

 Yes  definitely  possible  ,  algae  might  be  a  problem  after  some  time  ,  I  find  algae  is  much  easier  to  control  with  co2  .
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 I  still  stick  to  my  first  comment.  Yes  You  Can  Very Happy  
 This  can  be  a  great  opportunity  to  test  those  LEDs  that  came  up  in  the  forum  some  time  back.  Those  cheap  ones...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:07 am Post subject: Re: A planted bowl - FEASIBLE ?? Reply with quote

 @mudjawd   @bijay   @ashwin1224
 
 Thanks  guys  .  As  mudjawd  suggested  i've  set  my  sight  on  Cabomba  .  Are  there  any  other  hardy  plants  that  could  be  grown  in  a  bowl  ?  Preferably  carpet  plants  that  are  are  easily  available  ;)
 
 Substrate  :  Can  i  use  the  inert  medium  sized  gravel  that  are  available  in  the  LFS  or  should  i  go  for  any  special  kinda  substrate  ?
 
 Lighting  :  Can  sunlight  do  the  trick  or  should  i  go  for  a  DIY  light  assembly  ??
 
 Thanks  guys  .  Man  ,  this  forum  is  awesome   Clapping  
 
 Will  post  on  further  developments  .
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:13 am Post subject: Re: A planted bowl - FEASIBLE ?? Reply with quote

 I'm  not  sure  if  any  of  the  carpet  plants  will  survive  under  the  above  mentioned  conditions.  Unless  it  is  done  using  Dry  Start  Method  (DSM).  All  you  need  is  a  decent  substrate  like  ADA  aquasoil,  you  could  use  diffused  sunlight.  Maintenance  is  minimal.  Only  drawback  is  no  fishes  Thumb Down   Do  read  up  on  DSM.
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 You  can  try  going  for  dwarf  vals.  Or,  you  could  go  for  a  Moss  setup.  I  have  grown  vals  without  a  standard  substrate,  I  had  big  1-2"  pebbles  to  call  substrate.  You  just  need  good  light.  Same  with  the  moss,  they  grow  stuck  to  something  so  they  dont  depend  on  substrate.  But,  a  good  substrate  could  really  help  you  if  you  plan  to  go  with  a  bit  demanding  plants  and  it  can  help  in  maintaining  water  parameters.
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 Go  for  an  inert  substrate  with  light  liquid  fert  and  excel  dosing  and  have  a  small  sponge  filter  in  the  middle  for  flow  as  well  as  filteration  obviously.  For  foreground/carpet  go  with  moss  tied  to  flat  pieces  of  rock  and  for  larger  plants  go  with  rotala  or  Java  fern
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I'm  not  sure  if  any  of  the  carpet  plants  will  survive  under  the  above  mentioned  conditions.  Unless  it  is  done  using  Dry  Start  Method  (DSM).  All  you  need  is  a  decent  substrate  like  ADA  aquasoil,  you  could  use  diffused  sunlight.  Maintenance  is  minimal.  Only  drawback  is  no  fishes  Thumb Down   Do  read  up  on  DSM.                

 
 DSM  method  -  Looks  like  its  quite  tricky  mate  .  As  far  as  i  grasped  ,carpeting  plants  would  do  fine  as  long  as  they  are  exposed  to  atmospheric  CO2  .  Once  we  start  filling  the  tank/bowl  with  water  the  CO2  is  cutoff  and  the  plants  are  devoid  of  CO2  and  they  start  melting  in  a  coupla  days  .  This  method  is  only  suitable  for  tanks  with  CO2  setups  
 
 No  fishes  -  That  would  be  sick  !!!
 
 Thanks  for  the  suggestion  mate  ,  ill  post  on  any  further  development  Wink
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You  can  try  going  for  dwarf  vals.  Or,  you  could  go  for  a  Moss  setup.  I  have  grown  vals  without  a  standard  substrate,  I  had  big  1-2"  pebbles  to  call  substrate.  You  just  need  good  light.  Same  with  the  moss,  they  grow  stuck  to  something  so  they  dont  depend  on  substrate.  But,  a  good  substrate  could  really  help  you  if  you  plan  to  go  with  a  bit  demanding  plants  and  it  can  help  in  maintaining  water  parameters.                

 
 Vallisneria  looks  cool  .  I  have  to  ask  my  LFS  guy  for  its  availability  .
 
 Moss  -  Man  ,  that  is  what  i  call  an  eye  candy  stuff  !!!  Its  seems  we  need  real  cool  water  to  grow  it  .  Its  looks  like  it  is  not  picky  about  CO2  .  That  s  an  encouraging  factor   Thumb Up  
 
 Good  substrate  _  ADA  ??   Could  you  please  PM  the  price  of  this  stuff  ??  Thanks  man  ,  appreciate  your  help   Smile  
 
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Go  for  an  inert  substrate  with  light  liquid  fert  and  excel  dosing  and  have  a  small  sponge  filter  in  the  middle  for  flow  as  well  as  filteration  obviously.  For  foreground/carpet  go  with  moss  tied  to  flat  pieces  of  rock  and  for  larger  plants  go  with  rotala  or  Java  fern                

 
 Thanks  for  the  suggestion  mate  ...  Smile  
 
 It  looks  like  a  moss  setup  is  my  only  option  as  far  as  carpeting  plants  are  concerned  .
 
 What  do  you  reckon  about  the  availability  of  Mosses  and  Java  fern  in  India  ?  
 Finding  those  plants  in  my  hometown  would  be  real  bonussss     Very Happy  
 
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I'm  not  sure  if  any  of  the  carpet  plants  will  survive  under  the  above  mentioned  conditions.  Unless  it  is  done  using  Dry  Start  Method  (DSM).  All  you  need  is  a  decent  substrate  like  ADA  aquasoil,  you  could  use  diffused  sunlight.  Maintenance  is  minimal.  Only  drawback  is  no  fishes  Thumb Down   Do  read  up  on  DSM.                

 
 DSM  method  -  Looks  like  its  quite  tricky  mate  .  As  far  as  i  grasped  ,carpeting  plants  would  do  fine  as  long  as  they  are  exposed  to  atmospheric  CO2  .  Once  we  start  filling  the  tank/bowl  with  water  the  CO2  is  cutoff  and  the  plants  are  devoid  of  CO2  and  they  start  melting  in  a  coupla  days  .  This  method  is  only  suitable  for  tanks  with  CO2  setups  
 
 No  fishes  -  That  would  be  sick  !!!
 
 Thanks  for  the  suggestion  mate  ,  ill  post  on  any  further  development  Wink                

 
 Thats  exactly  the  point.  Not  going  for  the  phase  where  you  fill  water.  You  could  grow  most  of  the  plants  this  way.  Enjoy  the  scape  as  long  as  it  lasts  then  rip  it  apart.
 
 Mosses  and  java  fern  should  be  available  at  your  home  town  itself.  But  honestly  they  do  not  do  too  well  without  co2  and  nutrients.  In  an  small  space  as  in  a  bowl  its  hard  to  keep  the  mosses  clean  from  debris  and  fish  waste  hence  inviting  algae.  Vals  get  too  big  even  for  a  regular  size  tank.  I'm  not  being  negative  here  its  just  my  opinion.
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 One  of  the  best  plants  for  such  a  setup  would  be   Anubias  nana.
 It  stays  small,  does  not  need  substrate,  grows  on  very  little  light.
 Simply  tie  it  to  a  small  rock  or  a  piece  of  driftwood
 A  simple  table  lamp  would  do  the  trick.
 Do  not  go  in  for  fancy  substrates  or  Co2  injection,  it  has  a  very  small  volume  and  there  will  be  very  rapid  changes  in  water  parameter.
 Cabomba  is  a  high  light  plant  and  with  out  light  the  strands  will  start  to  break  up.
 A  betta  would  do  fine  in  such  a  setup.
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