Joined: Jan 06, 2006 Posts: 2053 Location: Bangalore
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject:
That's pretty bad for the seals but on the other hand, thousands of families will survive on the money.
Plus its sustainable as well as strictly regulated so its better than wiping out the seals illegally.
Before you start berating me think of the millions of chickens, goats, sheep, pigs, cows slaughtered every day.
Joined: Jun 29, 2003 Posts: 7084 Location: Bengaluru, India
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject:
I agree killing seals is grusome.
But no one seems to be suggesting an alternative. Is someone willing to take care of the seals and house them?
Last month I was watching birds - chicken, turkey etc., from countries afflicted by bird flu, being killed by suffocation in plastic bags. It's as grusome, but none of the environmentalists were any where near the bird farms, with an alternative. Too scared of bird flu perhaps?
Joined: Aug 19, 2005 Posts: 4895 Location: Mathura, UP
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject:
I don't think that these are artifically raised seals. They seem to be issuing licences for a annual hunt type of thing.
If they are left as usual in wild, I don't think it would be a bad idea.
Joined: Jun 29, 2003 Posts: 7084 Location: Bengaluru, India
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:47 am Post subject:
What I have garnered so far is that this annual hunt is to control the seal population, and is strictly regulated.
Banging them on the head is the cheapest way of doing it.
It's cruel. I agree.
People protesting the killing are not contesting the fact that the seals need culling, only the method of execution.
Well, I don't see them suggesting an alternative, a more "seal" friendly method, if that were ever possible, and help in raising resources either for their upkeep in case culling is stopped or their termination.
My only grouse with many of these environmentalist protesters is they just about protest everything, but talk to them about helping with alternatives, then they come out with "we have done our job exposing and raising a stink" it's not our problem finding alternatives, you do the rest.
I prefer they carry on their protest a bit further and come out with viable alternatives.
Joined: Oct 28, 2004 Posts: 2450 Location: Salem, TN
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:40 am Post subject:
One more thing i dont get with environmental activists is Why are they always concerned about bigger life forms? If ACAP can make Amitabh Bachan, Tendulkar & Jackie Chan talk for tiger conservation, why aren't they able to get someone to speak about Canarensis conservation or concervation of Madagascar cichlids? As the same we've seen hundreds going around Turtle & Shark conservation but until now i haven't found a single conservation program on Coral Reef Bleaching which is even more worse than the extinction of sharks. IMHO, raising an issue doesn't mean much until a solution is brought about.
The problem is that it's very easy to protest against some thing rather than finding the proper solution.
Controlling some species required when there is some serious problem in the eco system they are living in. For eg, seals are growing in numbers astronomically because the factors controlling it's numbers are getting vanished day by day. Natural hunter for the seals are polar bears and whales. but Polar bears are now in the verge of extintion because of global warming and whales are haunted by human in huge numbers. So there is no natural control on the population of seals.
Same thing is happening with Deers in some part of the world, there also annual huntings event are beeing organised to control it's number.
While one has posted an article on the myth, the truth remains that these seals are culled for their commercial benefits. Seal products are a big rage in Norway and they are exported out of Canada. The environmental reason being given for the hunting is to save CODs that are other cold water fish for human consumption
Anyway, IMO, environmentalists do need to take this forward, but the local authorities are also accountable. I am of the opinion that environmental issues or other issues of importance do not always need to be pointed out, sometimes govts need to be proactive.
Either way, I dont mean to make this is a geo-political discussion but this thread is only to point out how callous we as humans can be with precious life
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One more thing i dont get with environmental activists is Why are they always concerned about bigger life forms? If ACAP can make Amitabh Bachan, Tendulkar & Jackie Chan talk for tiger conservation, why aren't they able to get someone to speak about Canarensis conservation or concervation of Madagascar cichlids?
Because nobody would listen. Lets face it - less than 1% of people watching the ACAP ads would be concerned about a small non-descript fish.
The conservation of the apex predators would enforce the protection of their habitat which would include rivers, forests etc which would include the habitats of fish as well. Every movement requires a mascot - IF the ACAP ads sensitise people towards nature, they have made a mark.
We need glamorous creatures to get the average person to look up and take notice.
Blaming environment activists is like blaming the corrupt systems of government. We are part of the problem.
Why don't we take up the cause of Canarensis?
Why don't we raise the issue in the appropriate forums(Legal etc.)?
Some of us keep banned or endangered species...
Do we take umbrage at the destruction of the habitat of the Great Indian Bustard? why then should we take offence at people not chapioning the cause of Fish?
Why are WE not activists doing this? because it is easier to just buy or catch the fish and enjoy them in our tanks...
I of course am totally against any form of hunting - whether it is called culling or any other name. I agree with the sentiment that we as a species are losing respect for life(human and otherwise)
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