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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Don't  keep  ON  lighting  more  than  8  hours  per  day  otherwise  you  will  have  a  algae  bloom.                

 
 Yes,  I  have  already  started  this.
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 As  is  visible  from  the  picture  the  plant  density  was  low,  I  was  hoping  that  glosso  would  grow  and  cover  the  substrate.
 However  the  condition  of  glosso  after  shipping  was  very  bad,  out  of  200  plants  only  4  survived.
 This  tank  also  had  some  plants  gifted  by  Saurabh  Mathur(lko).
 Hence  I  was  not  surprised  when  I  started  seeing  algae,  I  changed  the  lighting  routine  after  advice  from  Seethram,  and  the  algae  has  gone  down.
 Anubias  was  badly  covered  with  algae,  however  bleach  treatment  worked  and  they  are  now  recovering.
 I  have  ordered  some  more  plants  which  I  hope  to  receive  in  this  week.
 I  did  not  want  to  introduce  new  plants  to  algae  infested  tank,  hence  I  have  taken  all  plants  out.
 Removed  all  algae  from  the  tank  and  just  fiiled  it  with  water,  daily  100%  changes  till  plants  arrive.
 Now  I  would  be  again  planting  with  lots  of  plants  and  hope  that  tank  would  be  full.
 Now  the  plant  list  would  be  as  follows.
 Hygrophilla  C.
 Hygrophilla??
 Ammania  Senegalensis
 Glossostigma
 Dwarf  Saggitaira
 Crypts
 Anubias  nana
 Lights  are  32*2  CFL.
 The  light  /water  change  regime  as  advised  by  Seethram  would  be  as  follows:
 Week  1:  70%  Water  Change  every  alternate  day  and  4  Hrs  Light
 Week  2:  70%  Water  Change  every  3  days  and  5  Hrs  Light
 Week  3:  50%  Water  Change  every  3  days  and  6  Hrs  Light
 Week  4:  30%  Water  Change  once  a  week  and  8  Hrs  Light
 
 Co2  would  be  3-4  bps.
 After  30  days  I  would  start  dosing  Seachem  K  &  trace.
 
 Let  me  know   if  I  am  missing  something.
 I  can  increase  lighting  by  another  20  w  or  so,  the  lighting  period  will  remain  as  above,  let  me  know  if  it  is  a  good  idea  or  should  I  drop  it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

 Hi  Sandeep
 
 Chain  or  Dwarf  Amazon  are  very  fast  growers  and  can  be  used  for  foreground.  Apart  from  this  ,  they  are  great  consumers  of  algae  .  This  would  help  you  to  get  rid  of  any  excess  nutrients  in  tank.
 
 I  am  presently  using  25%  glut  .  It  has  been  amazingly  efficient  in  removal  of  very  persistent  algae  from  my  tank.
 
 If  you  get  glut  in  Mathura  or  Agra  or  Delhi,  I  would  surely  recommend  it  for  algae  control.
 
 
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 I  will  be  straight  and  not  mince  my  words.  Hope  you  will  appreciate  the  effort  from  my  side  to  criticize  the  tank.
 
 Firstly,  is  this  a  ADA  tank?  I  think  not  as  the  tank  has  a  super  lousy  finish.  What  you  have  is  ADA  substrate,  so  it  is  better  to  change  the  heading?
 
 Now  for  the  scape,  I  think  you  should  do  more  justice  to  the  tank.  I  mean  that  you  should  plan  your  scape  well  before  you  start.  Also  it  is  not  advisable  to  plonk  in  random  plants  randomly  all  over  the  tank.  From  your  last  pic,  I  think  that  the  layout  has  not  been  thought  of  at  all.  It  gives  a  very  strong  impression  that,  after  getting  the  plants,  what  ever  you  could  lay  your  hands  on,  have  been  plonked  all  over  the  place.
 
 The  driftwoods  are  lame  and  does  not  do  anything  to  make  the  tank  look  good.  Plant  choice  once  again  is  of  stone  age.  The  Anubias  is  too  big  for  a  tank  of  that  size  unless  you  have  proper  supporting  plants  for  it.  Please  read  up  more  on  planted  tanks,  see  more  scapes,  and  try  to  understand  plant  options  and  arrangement  of  plants.
 Forget  glosso  for  the  time  being,  start  with  Tennelus  and  dwarf  sagiteria.  These  are  beginner  foreground  options.  You  can  tie  moss  on  some  better  looking  wood  and  get  some  decent  mid  and  background  plants.
 
 Regarding  maintenance,  its  ¬†another  ball  game  altogether.  Many  people  can  make  planted  tanks,  more  can  make  tanks  filled  with  plants  but  only  a  handful  can  maintain  them  properly.  ¬†Chuckle  
 It  takes  time  and  we  have  all  gone  through  our  trials  and  errors.
 
 Further,  would  request  you  not  to  take  advice  from  every  Tom,  Dick  and  Harry.  A  person  is  in  a  position  to  advice  only  when  he  has  achieved  at  least  a  tank  full  of  healthy  plants.  
 
 Hope  this  helps.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Further,  would  request  you  not  to  take  advice  from  every  Tom,  Dick  and  Harry.  A  person  is  in  a  position  to  advice  only  when  he  has  achieved  at  least  a  tank  full  of  healthy  plants.  
 Hope  this  helps.                

 
 I  agree  with  you,  therefore  I  am  ignoring  your  total  post  Very Happy   Very Happy  .
 Nothing  worthwhile  in  your  post  except  rantings.
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 All  the  very  best  to  you  dude   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Sandeep
 
 Chain  or  Dwarf  Amazon  are  very  fast  growers  and  can  be  used  for  foreground.  Apart  from  this  ,  they  are  great  consumers  of  algae  .  This  would  help  you  to  get  rid  of  any  excess  nutrients  in  tank.
 
 I  am  presently  using  25%  glut  .  It  has  been  amazingly  efficient  in  removal  of  very  persistent  algae  from  my  tank.
 
 If  you  get  glut  in  Mathura  or  Agra  or  Delhi,  I  would  surely  recommend  it  for  algae  control.
 
 
 Regards
 
 Sanjay  Dubey                

 
 I  will  start  using  glut  if  algae  again  makes  an  appearance,  I  still  have  a  bottle  from  last  time.
 Thanks  for  the  tip  on  chain  amazon.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

 I  will  quickly  correct  myself  before  Rasik  takes  me  to  the  task  for  not  reading  the  post  before  posting  Smile'
 
 Chain  and  dwarf  amazon  are  great  consumers  of  nutrients  and  not  algae  as  stated  above  :)
 
 Sorry  for  mistake.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

 Hi  Sandeep,
 
 What  algae  did  you  observe?
 A  picture  might  have  helped,  because  unless  it  was  BBA/clado  kind,  you  wouldnt  have  needed  a  bleach.
 The  thing  is  you  should  restart,  and  plants  which  were  settled  will  take  time  again.  Floating  few  stem  plants  across  the  open  area  will  help  you  avoid  algae  to  an  extent.
 
 I  like  the  option  of  chain  grass  or  such  mini  swords,  comfortable  to  kick  start  a  tank.  Once  tank  settles,  even  4  stems  of  glosso  can  do  wonders  Smile  
 
 I  am  not  sure  of  ADA  WCs,  but  doing  frequent  WC  will  delay  to  mature  a  filter  and  parameters  will  not  be  apt  till  then,  so  go  slow  on  fragile  plants  investment.
 
 BTW  missed  your  tank  temperature-  being  in  tropics  we  should  include  this  special  parameter.
 And  I  hope  the  CO2  PPM  is  up  to  mark,  would  say  2bps  atleast  for  the  plant  count  and  tank  size.
 
 Might  be  its  the  first  time  for  you  to  handle  ADA,  so  can  take  a  scape  or  two  to  perfect  it.
 
 Good  luck.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:51 am Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Sandeep,
 
 What  algae  did  you  observe?
 A  picture  might  have  helped,  because  unless  it  was  BBA/clado  kind,  you  wouldnt  have  needed  a  bleach.
 The  thing  is  you  should  restart,  and  plants  which  were  settled  will  take  time  again.  Floating  few  stem  plants  across  the  open  area  will  help  you  avoid  algae  to  an  extent.
 
 I  like  the  option  of  chain  grass  or  such  mini  swords,  comfortable  to  kick  start  a  tank.  Once  tank  settles,  even  4  stems  of  glosso  can  do  wonders  Smile  
 
 I  am  not  sure  of  ADA  WCs,  but  doing  frequent  WC  will  delay  to  mature  a  filter  and  parameters  will  not  be  apt  till  then,  so  go  slow  on  fragile  plants  investment.
 
 BTW  missed  your  tank  temperature-  being  in  tropics  we  should  include  this  special  parameter.
 And  I  hope  the  CO2  PPM  is  up  to  mark,  would  say  2bps  atleast  for  the  plant  count  and  tank  size.
 
 Might  be  its  the  first  time  for  you  to  handle  ADA,  so  can  take  a  scape  or  two  to  perfect  it.
 
 Good  luck.                

 Algae  was  mainly  BBA  on  anubias  leaves,  it  has  gone  after  using  bleach  treatment.
 Received  plants  yesterday,  they  were  in  a  much  better  shape  this  time  as  the  packing  done  was  very  good.
 I  have  taken  out  all  plants,  rescaped  the  tank,  planted  everything.
 This  time  the  planting  is  heavy,  hope  everything  turns  out  fine.
 As  if  the  current  complications  were  not  enough,  the  Co2  cylinder  has  gone  empty.  Very Happy
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 Tank  after  being  reset.
 One  week  after  planting.
 Suggestions  &  comments  welcome.
 
 
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 Hi  Sandeep
 
 Plants  look  healthy  and  algae  free  .  Atlast  you  conquered  first  hurdle  Smile  .  IMO  ,  big  plant  on  left  is  looking  bit  out  of  place.  Also  when  the  grass  grows  ,  it  will  hide  driftwood.
 
 So  if  you  have  taller  wood  which  can  resemble  a  tree  with  lots  of  Java  moss  on  it  and  if  kept  it  in  any  corner  of  tank,  then  the  tree  effect  with  grass  on  foreground  would  make  an  interesting  visual
 
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apcmge  wrote  (View  Post):                
Hi  Sandeep
 
 Plants  look  healthy  and  algae  free  .  Atlast  you  conquered  first  hurdle  Smile  .  IMO  ,  big  plant  on  left  is  looking  bit  out  of  place.  Also  when  the  grass  grows  ,  it  will  hide  driftwood.
 
 So  if  you  have  taller  wood  which  can  resemble  a  tree  with  lots  of  Java  moss  on  it  and  if  kept  it  in  any  corner  of  tank,  then  the  tree  effect  with  grass  on  foreground  would  make  an  interesting  visual
 
 Regards
 
 Sanjay  Dubey                

 
 Well,  yes  algae  is  not  able  to  get  hold  this  time.(touchwood).
 Large  water  changes  &  smaller  light  periods  have  helped.
 Also  as  my  water  was  very  hard  I  have  started  mixing  50%  Ro  water  at  each  water  change.
 Aquascaping  leaves  a  lot  to  be  done  in  this  tank.
 You  are  right  about  hygrophylla  on  left  side,  it  has  been  trimmed  down  now,  and  the  top  has  been  replanted.
 Getting  driftwood  in  mathura  is  a  get  headache,  even  this  piece  was  obtained  from  lucknow,  the  original  piece  was  not  to  my  liking,  I  have  cut  down  this  into  smaller  pieces.
 My  previous  experiences  with  moss  have  not  been  happy,  high  temp  seem  to  burn  it  down,  i  will  try  it  after  some  time  with  cooling  fans  this  time.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

 Surely  an  improved  version  Thumb Up  Sandeep.
 
 All  the  best  with  the  glosso.
 
 Just  a  few  pointers
 >  Your  background  needs  a  change,  gives  a  drab  feeling  to  the  tank.
 >  Anubias  bang  in  middle  of  tank  is  a  algae  magnet.  Also  better  to  cut  out  its  black  old  leaves.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: New ADA tank Reply with quote

                                                   
saikumar  wrote  (View  Post):                
Surely  an  improved  version  Thumb Up  Sandeep.                

 
 Thanks,  let  us  see  how  this  tank  progresses.
 
 
                                                 
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 All  the  best  with  the  glosso.                

 As  of  now  it  seems  to  be  dead,  maybe  it  is  converting  to  submerged  growth.
 I  am  seeing  some  new  leaves.
 
                                                 
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 Just  a  few  pointers
 >  Your  background  needs  a  change,  gives  a  drab  feeling  to  the  tank.                

 You  are  right,  just  trying  to  get  something  appropriate.
 
                                                 
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 >  Anubias  bang  in  middle  of  tank  is  a  algae  magnet.  Also  better  to  cut  out  its  black  old  leaves.                

 I  also  don't  like  anubais  in  this  setup,  might  take  them  out,  also  I  will  trim  older  leaves   once  the  new  leaves(not  visible  in  pic)  grow  up  a  bit.
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