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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

                                                   
cokeamod  wrote:                
While  deworming  you  are  doing  90%  water  change  every  day.
 
 So  how  much  ammonia  would  spike  in  one  day?  IMHO,  no  need  to  stop  feedings  on  deworming  days.                

 
 I  agree!
 
 I  have  to  go  through  Andrew's  book  again.  As  I  am  not  around  long  enough  to  keep  discus,  I  cannot  answer  this  with  any  degree  of  assertion.  I  have  been  through  his  book  a  lot  many  times,  but  never  could  "mug"  all  my  student  life.  Sad  
 
 Wish  Andrew  would  throw  some  light!  Very Happy
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 Hi  Guys  and  good  morning,
 
 I  believe  what  you  all  are  referring  is  'De-flagellate'  and  not  'De-worming'.  This  is  for  the  very  simple  reason  that  the  medication  you  use...metronidazole...is  to  eliminate  flagellates  like  spiro  or  hexamita  Thumbs Up    and  certain  bacteria  and  has  totally  no  effect  on  worms  (nematodes  or  anchor  worms)  Thumb Down  .
 
 The  reason  why  this  term  is  commonly  used  may  be  related  to  dog  keepers.....which  are  constantly  adviced  to  de-worm  their  dog(s)....and  the  most  common  infestation  is  round  worms.  Therefore  this  phrase  has  been  so  conveniently  used  and  the  sound  flows  smoothly  out  of  our  mouth....D  e  -  w  o  r  m  m..m...m......y  o  u  r.....
 
 If  you  are  de-worming  your  discus  (round  worm  or  anchor  worm  or  capillaria),  the  drug  that  you  use  is  usually  piperazine  sulphate  or  piperazine  citrate.  These  are  used  for  deworming.
 
 When  we  de-flagellate  discus,  the  duration  is  12  days  @  a  dose  of  1.2  to  1.5gm  in  100  litre  of  water  (dissolve  in  lukewarm  water  and  shake  well  before  pouring  into  tank).  Overdosing  is  not  so  much  of  a  problem  as  I  have  personally  tried  putting  much  more  than  the  recommended  dose  and  has  no  adverse  effect  (but  you  don't  have  to  do  that..he!he!).  And  in  feed,  add  1gm  or  1.2  gm  to  100gm  of  fish  feed.
 
 Do  not  feed  for  2  to  3  days  after  introducing  metro  in  water.  The  reason  being  that  discus  being  not  hungry,  do  not  accept  medicated  food  especially  metronidazole,  so  you  will  only  be  fouling  the  water.  
 
 After  the  3rd  day,  they  are  starved  and  at  the  same  time,  as  they  have  adapted  to  the  bitter  taste  of  metro  in  the  water,  it  would  not  be  hard  for  these  hungry  souls  to  rush  for  food...thus  med.  efficiency  is  attained.
 
 If  you  can,  WC  every  three  days  and  redose  to  strength.  During  the  treatment,  raise  temperature  to  30c.
 
 Just  my  suggestion,
 Andrew  Halo
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:25 am Post subject:  Reply with quote

 Thanks  Andrew  for  your  answer.
 
 Now,  we  also  know  anchor  worm  can  be  got  rid  off  using  piperazine  sulphate  or  piperazine  citrate.
 
 This  will  be  helpful  to  a  lot  of  people.
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 Madan  and  gang  Smile  ,
 
 You  all  are  welcome.  But  I  wish  to  state  that  though  these  worms  are  nuisances,  they  are  not  directly  harmful  to  fishes.  They  do  not  attack  the  discus  or  other  fishes  but  only  co-exist  in  the  intestinal  tract.  Problem  arises  when  they  over-propagate  and  choke  up  the  tract  system...slowing  down  or  restricting  peristalsis.  This  will  lead  to  rotting  ingested  food  and  finally  bacteria  proliferation.  The  final  causes  of  mortality  in  such  cases  are  bacteria  infection  and/or  toxicity.
 
 Instead  of  trying  to  treat  or  get  rid  of  them  through  medication  (deworm),  a  balance  diet  with  garlic  as  suggested  on  page  140,  fibre,  regular  WC  and  maintain  minimum  stress  through  good  management  will  reduce  worms  to  an  insignificant  level.  
 
 Take  care,
 Andrew  Halo
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Wish  Andrew  would  throw  some  light!  Very Happy                

 
 Thanks  Madanji  for  bringing  Andrew  to  this  post  Smile
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 Thanks  a  lot  for  your  replies  Andrew.
 
 
                                                 
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I  believe  what  you  all  are  referring  is  'De-flagellate'  and  not  'De-worming'.                

 Thanks  for  correcting  us...
 
 
                                                 
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If  you  are  de-worming  your  discus  (round  worm  or  anchor  worm  or  capillaria),  the  drug  that  you  use  is  usually  piperazine  sulphate  or  piperazine  citrate.  These  are  used  for  deworming.                

 
                                                 
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Now,  we  also  know  anchor  worm  can  be  got  rid  off  using  piperazine  sulphate  or  piperazine  citrate.  This  will  be  helpful  to  a  lot  of  people.                

 Definitely...  An  inexpensive  way  of  treating...  Hope  this  is  common  for  all  fishes?
 
 
                                                 
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Do  not  feed  for  2  to  3  days  after  introducing  metro  in  water.  The  reason  being  that  discus  being  not  hungry,  do  not  accept  medicated  food  especially  metronidazole,  so  you  will  only  be  fouling  the  water.                

 Valid  reason...  What  if  the  Discus  are  raised  with  medicated  food  (Metro  and  garlic  added  on  BHM)  right  from  the  1st  day?
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 Is  deworming  with  piperazine  sulphate  or  piperazine  citrate  applicable  to  all  the  fishes??  
 
 and  what  is  the  dosage  amount??
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 Sorry  guys  for  a  typo  mistake  in  my  reply....old  man...always  thinking  one,  typing  another.....maybe  is  my  genetic  defect....  Chuckle  
 
 I  was  trying  to  say  that  both  the  dewormimg  medication  can  eliminate  nematodes,  hookworms  (not  Anchor  worm)  and  capillarias.
 
 Dosage:  10mg  piperazine  sulfate  /kg  of  body  weight  for  3  days.  It  should  be  for  all  fishes  but  have  not  tried  should  cannot  affirm.  For  piperazine  citrate,  it  is  recommended  600mg  to  100gm  of  feed  and  feed  once  day  and  night  on  days  one  and  eight.
 
 Anchor  worms  can  easily  be  treated  with  masoten  or  dipterex  or  dylox  or  neguvon.  They  are  all  brand  names  of  organophosphate.  Dose  is  150mg  to  100litre  of  water.  Only  fresh  compound  should  be  used.
 
 Chennai,  what  do  you  think  a  baby  will  turn  out  if  he  is  to  be  fed  with  medication  from  the  day  he  is  born...all  the  way...till  judgement  day?  Thumb Down  
 
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AndrewSoh  wrote:                
Chennai,  what  do  you  think  a  baby  will  turn  out  if  he  is  to  be  fed  with  medication  from  the  day  he  is  born...all  the  way...till  judgement  day?  Thumb Down                

 
 Sorry  Andrew...  What  I  meant  was  normally  we  add  small  amount  of  garlic  and  metro  along  with  BHM  (a  precautionary  action  Smile).  This  recipe  has  been  feed  to  Discus  after  we  buy  the  them.  Like  you  said  they  refuse  to  take  them  at  beginning  but  after  starving  them  for  3  days  they  start  accepting.  (Probably  same  genetic  defect  here.)
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 Madan,  Anchor  worms  are  not  affected  by  any  anti-helmenthics-be  it  piperazine  citrate,  praziquantel  or  levamizile  or  mebendazole.  They  are  copepods  and  only  a  chitin  gyrase  inhibitor  like  Dimilin,  or  KMNO4  will  get  rid  of  them.  The  only  problem  is  KMNO4  will  trash  your  biological  filter  and  Dimilin  will  not.  Smile
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 Oh  Aja,
 
 Now  I  understand......at  first...I  thought  you  are  making  a  joke.
 
 It  is  alright  but  better  feed  medicated  food  after  they  have  stabilised  or  acclimatised  and  you  have  see  they  take  food.
 
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AndrewSoh  wrote:                
It  is  alright  but  better  feed  medicated  food  after  they  have  stabilised  or  acclimatised  and  you  have  see  they  take  food.                

 
 Sure...  Thanks  Andrew.
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