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It's A Jungle Out There (NonCO2 Planted Shrimp) *Jan'16*
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

                                                   
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Thanks  for  sharing  chetan.   Thumb Up  We  need  more  such  examples  of  lush  green  jungles  that  don't  beed  4k  worth  of  CO2  powerstations.
 apart  from  your  outstanding  tank,  what  i  liked  is  how  you  enjoy  wrapping  your  head  around  a  problem  before  you  solve  it!  Fantastic  approach,  very  painstakingly  displayed  too.  dunno  what  deserves  more  praise,  the  plants,  the  endlers  (god,  neon-quality),  or  the  shrimp  (sakura  quality)!                

 
 thanks  a  lot  bro!  it's  nice  of  you  to  appreciate  the  effort  and  motivate  me  to  continue.
 
 You  are  correct  about  CO2  system  exaggeration.  Most  people  run  away  from  aquatic  gardening  thinking  that  it's  not  possible  without  a  CO2  kit.  Nothing  is  further  from  the  truth.  The  kit  is  mainly  to  boost  growth  for  most  plants,  something  like  using  steroids  at  the  gym.  Plants  grow  with  the  natural  CO2  in  the  environment  as  well.  Without  CO2  you  just  need  to  be  patient.  I  enjoy  looking  at  the  plants  growing  slowly  and  steadily,  it's  very  relaxing  in  it's  own  way.  It's  got  a  subtle  rush  of  it's  own.  I  hope  more  people  start  venturing  into  aquatic  gardening  after  seeing  this  tank.
 
 
                                                 
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Nice  growth  of  pellia..  Thumb Up  
 They  grow  pretty  fast  provided  the  environment  is  good..                

 
 Thanks!  I  agree  with  you.  Apart  from  the  moss  tied  to  the  stone,  I  had  taken  some  stray  pellia  moss  and  stuck  it  wherever  I  could  on  top  of  the  driftwood.  Now  the  top  of  the  wood  is  completely  covered  by  it.  You  can  make  it  out  in  the  last  pic  I  posted  of  the  entire  aquascape.
 
 From  my  experience  with  them  I  gather  that  they  will  be  a  excellent  choice  for  someone  trying  to  make  the  iconic  tree  aquascape.  And  incidentally  I  found  a  pic  of  it  been  done.  The  pelia  moss  gives  a  very  fluffy  pillow-like  texture...  quite  unique.
 Maybe  someone  in  IAH  should  try  this.
 
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Good  setup  Chetan,  would  like  to  come  &  see  your  tank  personally.  Thumbs Up                  

 
 thanks  and  your  welcome!
 
 
 
                                                 
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Wow  beautiful,  without  CO2  how  did  you  manage!!                

 
 thanks  and  I'm  glad  you  like  it.  I  managed  it  quite  easily  in  fact.   Chuckle
 and  so  can  you.   Chuckle   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Tree  is  beautiful.
 I  have  seen  trees  with  christmas  moss..  Even  they  look  beautiful..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Tank  Diary:  Feeding  Ginseng  to  Shrimp  to  boost  their  color  and  sex  drive
 
 Being  a  nutritionist  by  profession,  I  sometimes  like  to  apply  my  knowledge  on  non-humans.  I  have  come  to  notice  that  while  humans  do  not  have  a  keen  instinctive  sense  of  whether  a  particular  food  is  in  fact  nutritious  for  them  (cited  by  soaring  sales  of  cola  drinks),  however  in  the  case  of  fish  and  shrimp  it's  not  so.  They  seem  to  home  in  quite  quickly  to  foods  that  will  do  them  good.
 
 So  I've  been  experimenting  with  the  diet  in  this  tank.  The  most  remarkable  response  I  have  observed  is  with  Ginseng  and  Multiminerals.  In  this  post  I'll  only  talk  about  Ginseng.
 
 Ginseng  is  a  super-food  I  give  to  my  clients  usually  to  boost  their  physical  energy,  immunity,  and  sexual  performance.  It  is  also  observed  that  certain  species  like  dwarf  shrimp  and  guppies  are  sexually  very  active  in  all  seasons.  And  this  high  level  of  sex  hormones  is  directly  related  to  the  brilliance  of  their  color.  However  I  didn't  really  see  anything  particular  in  their  default  diet  (biofilm,  algae  wafers  in  my  case)  which  particularly  boosted  their  sex  hormones.  So  I  decided  to  test  giving  ginseng  to  my  shrimp,  as  a  way  to  supplement  their  sex  hormones.
 
 The  theory  being  that:
 (a)  if  their  diet  truly  lacked  something  that  boosted  their  sex  hormones,  and
 (b)  if  ginseng  was  to  be  really  good  for  them  
 ...then  they  would  jump  on  it  like  it  were  an  algae  wafer,  and  their  pale  colors  would  redden.
 
 So  I  got  some  of  premium  imported  ginseng  that  I've  always  favored  (because  the  stuff  we  usually  get  in  India  is  low-grade  rubbish)  and  popped  it  in  the  tank.  And  guess  what  it  worked.  The  shrimp  went  on  it  like  crazy.  It  was  awesome.
 Among  the  fish,  the  endler's  guppies  also  went  for  it.  It  quite  confirmed  that  the  species  with  a  high  reproductive  rate  do  require  something  extra  in  their  diet.
 Also  surprisingly  the  otocinclus  often  feeds  on  it.
 
 Presently  I  supplement  my  shrimp's  diet  with  ginseng  along  with  the  regular  algae  wafer.
 I  also  believe  that  high  quality  ginseng  will  do  well  in  breeding  high  grade  CRS  more  effectively.  However  I  do  not  know  anyone  who  breeds  them  to  be  able  to  confirm  it.  It  should  also  do  well  to  supplement  other  fish  around  their  mating  season.  Probably  feeding  it  to  parents  will  result  in  colorful  offspring  in  fish  as  well.
 
 A  recent  pic  of  the  shrimp  and  guppy  snacking  on  the  ginseng  blend  (the  white  stuff)
 


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 WHOAAAAAAAA!!!!!  
 
 Thats  an  amazing  finding  and  they  way  the  RCS  are  engrossed  in  enjoying  their  snack,  it  seems  that  they  have  even  forgotten  their  biological  needs  :grin:
 
 By  the  way  Chetan.  I  would  want  to  visit  your  home  to  see  them  in  real.  Can  I?  Do  have  your  cell  no  will  call  u  before  I  come  with  my  son  he  will  be  happy  to  see  soo  many  of  them  alive.  Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 nice  finding....  ll  have  to  follow  this  thread   Clapping
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 amazing  tank  bro  !!!  I  like....how  often  do  you  change  the  water?  I  too  have  some  live  plants  in  my  32  litre  aquarium,  changing  water  is  a  hard  task..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 great!!   your  red  cherry  shrimp  are  red  like  blood!!   
 
 my  plants  are  growing  well  !!   but  i  guess  since  i  stopped  my  Diy  Co2  !!!  BBA  and  filamentous  algae  seem  to  appear!!!   i  don't  get  ottos  in  chennai!!  only  some  times!!   and  thats  the  same  case  with  amano  shrimp!!   rarely  i  found  a  couple  of  zebra  nerite  snail  in  chennai!!  in  a  shop  which  wasn't  suppose  to  be  thr  according  the  vendor.   so  have  ordered  for  seachem   flourish  excel!!  planning  to  dose  it  to  get  rid  of  the  algae!!  
 
 
 :(  cannot  go  forward  without  co2  !  my  bad  luck!  
 
 check  my  post  and  pls  post  your  suggestions  .
 
 
 and  hydrocotyle  tripartita  is  growing  well!!  
 
 
 feeding  my  shrimp  
 
 Spirulina  pellets  (daily)  
 Almond  leafs(  monthly  once)
 green  peas(  weekly  once)
 and  
 spinach  leaves(once  in  15  days)  
 
 is  it  enough!!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Hey  kool  tank,  did  the  shrimps  populated  with  tetras  in  it?  i  had  added  tetras  and  they  ate  the  baby  shrimps.  im  usin  indian  soil  mixed  with  ADA.  also  with  co2,  the  plants  you  got  are  hardy  and  can  tolerate  low  co2  levels.  Iv  been  using  DIY  since  a  very  very  long  time  and  never  moved  back  to  pressurized  since  it  blasted  and  even  leaked  before.  iv  grown  all  plants  and  mosses  without  any  issue  even  at  high  temp.  i  suggest  adding  CO2  will  be  a  good  supplement  to  your  tank........
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Nice  to  see  so  many  shrimps  gathering  at  one  place..
 Never  seen  them  gathering  like  this  in  my  planted  tanks  Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

                                                   
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WHOAAAAAAAA!!!!!  Thats  an  amazing  finding  and  they  way  the  RCS  are  engrossed  in  enjoying  their  snack,  it  seems  that  they  have  even  forgotten  their  biological  needs  Chuckle  By  the  way  Chetan.  I  would  want  to  visit  your  home  to  see  them  in  real.  Can  I?  Do  have  your  cell  no  will  call  u  before  I  come  with  my  son  he  will  be  happy  to  see  soo  many  of  them  alive.  Thumbs Up                

 
 Thanks  man.  I  was  first  concerned  if  feeding  them  terrestrial  plants  would  be  harmful,  but  then  I  remember  that  cucumbers  are  terrestrial   Doh  
 Have  PMd  you  my  #.  you  and  your  son  are  welcome  to  check  it  out.
 
 
 
                                                 
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nice  finding....  ll  have  to  follow  this  thread   Clapping                

 
 thanks  bro!   Smile  
 
 
 
                                                 
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amazing  tank  bro  !!!  I  like....how  often  do  you  change  the  water?  I  too  have  some  live  plants  in  my  32  litre  aquarium,  changing  water  is  a  hard  task..                

 
 thanks  bro!  I  change  the  water  (about  20-30%)  once  in  15-20  days.
 Why  is  it  hard  for  you?  If  you  have  a  lot  of  plants  (especially  rooted  ones)  then  you  really  don't  need  to  siphon  the  gravel.  All  the  material  at  the  bottom  will  be  used  by  the  plants  as  fertilizer.  You  just  need  to  stir  the  water  a  bit  and  siphon  it  from  the  top  of  the  tank  only.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

                                                   
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great!!   u  red  cherry  shrimp  are  red  like  blood!!   my  plants  are  growing  well  !!   but  i  guess  since  i  stopped  my  Diy  Co2  !!!  BBA  and  filamentous  algae  seem  to  appear!!!   i  don't  get  ottos  in  chennai!!  only  some  times!!   and  thats  the  same  case  with  amano  shrimp!!   rarely  i  found  a  couple  of  zebra  nerite  snail  in  chennai!!  in  a  shop  which  wasn't  suppose  to  be  thr  according  the  vendor.   so  have  ordered  for  seachem   flourish  excel!!  planning  to  dose  it  to  get  rid  of  the  algae!!  
 Sad  cannot  go  forward  without  co2  !  my  bad  luck!  
 check  my  post  and  pls  post  your  suggestions  .
 and  hydrocotyle  tripartita  is  growing  well!!  
 
 feeding  my  shrimp  
 
 Spirulina  pellets  (daily)  
 Almond  leafs(  monthly  once)
 green  peas(  weekly  once)
 and  
 spinach  leaves(once  in  15  days)  
 
 is  it  enough!!                

 
 Thanks  again!   :)
 
 You  can  order  the  amano  shrimp  from  the  Nautilus  store  in  Bombay.  They  have  nationwide  shipping.
 
 You  tackled  the  oil  film  problem  you  were  having  finally?
 
 "Is  it  enough?"  -  Dude,  you're  overfeeding  the  shrimp.  Shocked
 Don't  feed  them  daily.  Twice  a  week  is  more  than  sufficient.  They  are  scavengers,  they'll  find  something  or  the  another  to  eat  (biofilm,  fish  food  etc).  Your  spoiling  them  with  so  much  food.  
 Initially  I  used  to  feed  my  shrimp  1/4  of  an  algae  wafer  twice  a  week.  Only  recently  because  of  their  population  growth  I've  increased  it  to  half  or  one  wafer  twice  a  week.
 
 
 
                                                 
nanomania  wrote  (View  Post):                
Hey  kool  tank,  did  the  shrimps  populated  with  tetras  in  it?  i  had  added  tetras  and  they  ate  the  baby  shrimps.  im  usin  indian  soil  mixed  with  ADA.  also  with  co2,  the  plants  you  got  are  hardy  and  can  tolerate  low  co2  levels.  Iv  been  using  DIY  since  a  very  very  long  time  and  never  moved  back  to  pressurized  since  it  blasted  and  even  leaked  before.  iv  grown  all  plants  and  mosses  without  any  issue  even  at  high  temp.  i  suggest  adding  CO2  will  be  a  good  supplement  to  your  tank........                

 
 thanks!  yup,  the  shrimps  and  the  tetras  started  out  together.
 
 even  my  tetras  when  given  the  opportunity  will  eat  a  baby  shrimp.  however  they  don't  because  there  is  plenty  of  hiding  place  for  the  shrimp.  again,  i  stress  here  on  the  vital  role  played  by  the  bogwood.  this  tank  is  what  it  is  primarily  because  of  the  tunneled  bogwood.  try  creating  more  hiding  places  in  your  tank,  the  tetras  won't  be  able  to  harm  the  shrimp  then.
 
 wow!  the  co2  blasting  sounds  like  a  crazy  incident  man.  yea,  the  diy  is  a  much  safer  and  economical  alternative.
 I  was  at  one  point  thinking  about  diy  co2  for  this  setup,  however  by  the  rate  at  which  the  plants  are  anyway  growing  -  I  decided  to  skip.  In  their  present  state  I  need  to  trim  the  plants  once  in  2-3months,  which  is  perfect  for  me.
 
 
 
                                                 
nandy  wrote  (View  Post):                
Nice  to  see  so  many  shrimps  gathering  at  one  place..  Never  seen  them  gathering  like  this  in  my  planted  tanks  Sad                

 
 they  don't  come  out  your  case,  seriously?  how  come?
 The  only  explanation  for  the  shyness  of  your  shrimp  would  be  that  they  are  feeling  unsafe.  are  there  any  potential  predators  or  lack  of  hiding  places  in  your  tank?
 My  shrimp  are  absolutely  shameless  frankly.  The  don't  budge  even  when  I  put  my  hand  in  the  tank.  Rather,  they've  figured  that  human  dead  skin  tastes  great  and  so  when  my  hand  is  in  for  a  long  time  they  simply  cling  onto  it  and  start  giving  a  manicure.  silly  creatures  i  tell  you.   Chuckle  
 Too  bad  that,  unlike  the  garra  rufa  doctor  fish,  there  won't  be  many  takers  for  a  shrimp  pedicure
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 @Chetan  :->  My  oil  film  problem  got  solved  automatically!  !     i   guess  it  would  have  been  the   oils  that  came  with  contro  soil!!     fixed  after  2  nd  water  change   Cheering
 Staghorn  algae  has  now  started  appearing   !!  i  guess  now  i  am  growing  algae  more  than  my  plants  Very Happy  
   List  of  algae  faced  and  fixed
 
 brown  ->  initially-  fixed
 Green  spot  ->  secondly  -fixed  
 Cladophora  ->  on  driftwood  !!  left  it  as  it  is  for  attraction   Chuckle  
 Oil  Film   with  some  green  floating  algae  ->  Fixed  Very Happy
 BBA->   ????  Crying or Very sad  
 Staghorn  ->???  Crying or Very sad  
 
 
 whats  remaining  ?
 green  water  and  blue  green  Sad  
 
 as  you  said  will  reduce  the  feeding  for  shrimps  !  
 
 i  got  an  doubt  about  wisteria!!   shall  remove  the  old  big  stem  and  plant  the  branches  which  appeared  newly!!  because  it  appears  too  big  and  atleast  by  that  i  can  reduce  some  amount  of  algae
 
 regarding  staghorn  !!  i  read  a  article  stating  reducing  the  light  level  helps     shall  i  switch  to  15watts  from  24  watts  back  again.  Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:59 am Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

                                                   
pranavakira  wrote  (View  Post):                
@Chetan  :->  My  oil  film  problem  got  solved  automatically!  !     i   guess  it  would  have  been  the   oils  that  came  with  contro  soil!!     fixed  after  2  nd  water  change   Cheering
 Staghorn  algae  has  now  started  appearing   !!  i  guess  now  i  am  growing  algae  more  than  my  plants  Very Happy  ...                

 
 For  how  long  do  you  have  your  lights  on?  May  be  too  much  lighting  is  the  problem.  Because  it's  very  unusual  for  all  of  these  species  of  algae  to  invade  a  tank  at  once.
 
 There  is  probably  too  much  light  and  nutrition  in  your  tank  that  is  not  being  utilized  completely  due  to  inadequate  plant  cover.  Therefore,  these  excessive  resources  are  being  used  instead  by  the  algae  to  bloom.  In  short,  get  more  plants  for  your  tank  and  stop  all  your  fertilizer  dosing  and  reduce  photo  period  (not  intensity).
 
 Give  a  break  in  the  lighting  for  a  while  during  the  day.  That  will  help  to  reduce  algae  growth.  There's  an  interesting  theory  to  it.  I'm  typing  out  for  you  below  a  section  on  lighting  from  the  brilliant  book  "Encyclopedia  of  Aquarium  Plants"  by  Peter  Hiscock
 (I  wonder  if  his  descendants  still  go  by  the  same  sir  name  Chuckle  )  ...
 
 
 Creating  a  siesta  period
 Plants  are  able  to  regulate  the  rate  of  photosynthesis  relatively  easily,  and  quickly  respond  to  changes  in  light  conditions.  In  other  words,  they  do  not  take  long  to  warm  up  and  start  photosynthesizing  once  there  is  sufficient  light.  However,  algae  are  not  as  biologically  advanced  as  plants  and  need  a  long  and  relatively  uninterrupted  period  of  light  to  function  properly.  It  is  possible  to  combat  algae  in  the  aquarium  by  controlling  the  intensity  and  period  of  lighting  in  the  aquarium  and  creating  a  "siesta"  period.  This  is  a  period  of  darkness  that  interrupts  the  normal  day/night  light  cycle  in  the  aquarium.  If  the  aquarium  receives  5-6  hours  of  lighting  followed  by  2-3  hours  of  darkness  and  then  another  5-6  hours  of  light,  the  plants  will  be  relatively  unaffected  and  receive  enough  light  throughout  the  day,  but  algae  growth  rates  will  be  significantly  reduced  and  may  even  start  to  die  back.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 using  this  principle  is  working  great  !!  staghorn  turning  red  and  then  disappearing!!  day  by  day:)  thanks  alot  Smilei  guess  you  have  fire  red  shrimp  too  Smile  with  your  red  cherry  shrimp!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Tank Diary: It's A Jungle Out There (Non-CO2 Planted Shr Reply with quote

 Excellent  tank  !!  How  are  you  feeding  them  the  ginseng  ?  It  is  in  powdered  for  or  are  you  feeding  slices  of  the  root  ?
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