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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: ATS question Reply with quote

 Planning  to  build  an  ATS  for  my  120gallon  saltwater  tank  with  PLL  lamps  intead  of  T5HO  cause  36watt  pll  are  cheaper  and  easy  available  rather  then  T5HO  in  my  location.  I  have  few  questions  regarding  that.  the  questions  are  given  below:
 
 1)  Will  pll  lamps  produce  the  same  results  as  T5?
 
 2)  36watt  pll  lamp  are  15inch  by  length,so  the  sreen  size  should  be  15"x5"=75",  2nos  of  36watt  pll  will  lit  the  screen.  This  type  of  2  unit  can  handle  a  120gallon  setup  succesfully?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: ATS question Reply with quote

 Hi  Surajit,
 
 First  of  all  update  your  location  for  us  to  help  you  better.  Secondly  what  are  you  planning  to  keep?  Fish  only,  FOWLR  Or  Reef?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: ATS question Reply with quote

 @Abhi  I  am  from  kolkata.  Currently  it  is  a  FOWLR,  later  upgrade  it  to  reef.
 
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 1)  Yes,  
 
 
 2)  The  size  that  your  scrubber  need  to  be  is  not  based  on  gallons,  it's  based  on  how  much  you  feed.  How  many  cubes  of  food  are  you  feeding  each  day.
 
 What  does  "2nos  of  36watt  pll"  mean?  Here  are  the  sizing  guidelines...
 
 New  Scrubber  Sizing  Guideline  (Sept  2011)
 
 Scrubbers  will  now  be  sized  according  to  feeding.  Nutrients  "in"  (feeding)  must  equal  nutrients  "out"  (scrubber  growth),  no  matter  how  many  gallons  you  have.  So...
 
 An  example  VERTICAL  waterfall  screen  size  is  3   X  4  inches  =  12  square  inches  of  screen  (7.5  X  10  cm  =  75  sq  cm)  with  a  total  of  12  real  watts  (not  equivalent)  of  fluorescent  light  for  18  hours  a  day.  If  all  12  watts  are  on  one  side,  it  is  a  1-sided  screen.  If  6  watts  are  on  each  side,  it  is  a  2-sided  screen,  but  the  total  is  still  12  watts  for  18  hours  a  day.  This  screen  size  and  wattage  should  be  able  to  handle  the  following  amounts  of  daily  feeding:
 
 1  frozen  cube  per  day  (2-sided  screen)
 1/2  frozen  cube  per  day  (1-sided  screen)
 10  pinches  of  flake  food  per  day  (2-sided  screen)
 5  pinches  of  flake  food  per  day  (1-sided  screen)
 10  square  inches  (50  sq  cm)  of  nori  per  day  (2-sided  screen)
 5  square  inches  (50  sq  cm)  of  nori  per  day  (1-sided  screen)
 0.1  dry  ounce  (2.8  grams)  of  pellet  food  per  day  (2-sided  screen)
 0.05  dry  ounce  (1.4  grams)  of  pellet  food  per  day  (1-sided  screen)
 
 High-wattage  technique:  Double  the  wattage,  and  cut  the  hours  in  half  (to  9  per  day).  This  will  get  brown  screens  to  grow  green  much  faster.  Thus  the  example  above  would  be  12  watts  on  each  side,  for  a  total  of  24  watts,  but  for  only  9  hours  per  day.  If  growth  starts  to  turn  YELLOW,  then  increase  the  flow,  or  add  iron,  or  reduce  the  number  of  hours.  And  since  the  bulbs  are  operating  for  9  hours  instead  of  18,  they  will  last  6  months  instead  of  3  months.
 
 HORIZONTAL  screens:  Multiply  the  screen  size  by  4,  and  the  wattage  by  1.5
 
 Flow  is  24  hours,  and  is  at  least  35  gph  per  inch  of  width  of  screen  [60  lph  per  cm],  EVEN  IF  one  sided  or  horizontal.
 
 Very  rough  screen  made  of  roughed-up-like-a-cactus  plastic  canvas.
 
 Clean  algae  off  of  screen  every  7  to  14  days,  so  that  you  can  see  the  white  screen  material.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: ATS question Reply with quote

 @Kaia,  thanks  for  the  details  information  about  scrubber.  
    
    One  more  question:-
      HORIZONTAL  screen:  suppose  6",   6"x4"=24  square  inch  &  wattage  24x1.5watt=36watt  are  on  one  side?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:40 am Post subject: Re: ATS question Reply with quote

 I  can't  help  you  unless  I  know  how  much  you  are  feeding,  and  what  does  "2nos  of  36watt  pll"  mean?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: ATS question Reply with quote

 @Kaia,
 
   "what  does  2nos  of  36watt  pll  means"  
   Actually  what  i  am  try  to  say  that  if  i  go  with  a  HORIZONTAL  2-sided  screen  suppose  screen  size  16"x4"=64  square  inch  &  the  screen  lit  by  36watt  PC  light  on  one  side  &  another  36watt  PC  light  on  the  other  side  of  the  screen.     
 
 Tank  specification:
 Tank-48"x24"x24'
 Sump-36"x21"x18"
 
 Live  stock:
 2  common  clown
 2  azure  damsell
 1  regal/hippo  tang
 1  fox  face
 2  yellow  wrasse
 2  banner  fish/wimple  butterfly
 
 My  feeding  scedule:  
 2  frozen  cube  per  day  
 12-14  pinches  of  flake  food  per  day  
 12  square  inches  of  nori  per  day   
 approx  3-3.5  grams  of  pellet  food  per  day
 
 I  am  battling  with  GHA  nowadays  &  recently  my  skimmer  pump  burns  out.Hence  i  have  decided  to  go  solely
 on  ATS  route.  So  please  suggest  me  about  the  proper  ATS  screen  size,  lighting  wattage  &  time  which  can  provide  a  strong  filteration  in  my  skimmerless  system.
 
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 2  cubes  =  2  cubes
 14  pinches  =  1.4  cubes
 12  square  inches  nori  =  1.2  cubes
 3.5  grams  pellet  =  1.5  cubes
 
 ........................................................
 
 total:  6  cubes.
 
 each  cube  need  12  watts  total,  6x12=72watts,  so  your  watt  is  a  little  low,  especially  if  you  have  lots  of  algae  problems.
   I  would  do  at  least  100  watts  total=  50  watts  per  side.
 
 
 The  size  of  the  screen  is  6X12=72  square  inches.
 64inches  might  work,  but  is  the  wattage  that  is  most  important.
 
 Good  luck!  Smile
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