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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 Hey  Surya,  thanks  mate.  People  are  excited  as  the  same  picture  had  gone  in.  If  it  was  the  case  like  Bhushan  mentioned,  same  tank  with  current  picture  then  also,  it  would  have  been  subjected  to  point  deduction,  as  the  most  basic  expectation  from  any  participant  is  a  fresh  scape.  How  ever  it  is  not  the  case.  It  is  more  of  a  case  of  old  wine,  as  times  keeps  going  the  same  tank  pic  keeps  winning  prize  after  another.  If  so  is  the  case,  then  why  make  new  scapes  at  all?  Why  take  all  the  pain  my  dear?  Hamza  could  very  well  post  his  last  years  tank  and  got  the  same  rank  or  may  be  better.  And  Deb  ghosh  who  is  also  there  in  top  200  does  not  need  to  build  any  other  tank  in  his  life.  He  has  guaranteed  his  position  of  top  200  for  all  the  remaining  IAPLC  competitions.  This  is  ridiculous.  
 
 Next,  when  you  say  why  all  this  cribbing  etc,it  is  because  this  is  not  a  Sunday  afternoon  football  game  in  the  park.  If  you  loose  that  game,  then  there  is  always  a  return  match  on  the  next  Sunday  where  you  can  level  your  scores.  This  on  the  contrary  takes  a  lot  of  passion,  patience,  skill,  money  and  many  other  things,  to  come  up  with  good  tanks.  So  people  are  damn  serious  about  this.  Serious  scapers  work  all  the  year  to  make  a  tank  that  can  compete  internationally.  Competition  is  so  bloody  stiff  today  and  then  after  doing  everything  with  full  passion,  honesty  and  steam,  it  is  really  demotivating  to  see  many  of  the  tanks  that  have  come  up  in  top  200.  Believe  me,  if  you  observe  minutely  you  will  see  many  entries  are  controversial  like  this  one.  This  is  not  a  one  of  case  but  this  happens  regularly,  every  year.  Why  we  have  not  raised  our  voices  before?  Frankly  because  there  was  not  much  chance  that  we  could  crack  top  200,  then.  Now,  that  we  are  also  getting  skilled  to  the  level  where  we  have  started  to  dream  about  getting  into  top  200,  you  will  hear  these  kind  of  shouts  more  often  my  friend.  No  one  is  willing  to  sit  quietly  and  let  others  enjoy  the  glory  that  actually  belonged  to  them.
 
 Lastly,  regarding  me  featuring  in  top  500,  I  do  not  know  man,  I  am  trying  my  best.  Wish  I  had  a  tank  that  I  could  post  every  year  and  get  top  200  on  a  regular  basis.  May  be  I  need  to  learn  few  more  tricks  from  my  friends.   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 HI  Binesh,
 
 I  have  participated  and  know  of  the  ranking  system.  I  believe  that  the  deserving  tanks  will  be  ranked  accordingly.
 
 I  appreciate  you  taking  the  steps  communicate  this  with  the  panel,  which  is  more  of  a  matured  approach  that  I  was  talking  about.
 
 Just  that  there  is  a  lot  of  other  things  that  we  can  discuss  than  showing  our  individual  frustration  out  here.
 
 Incase  you  think  (I  mean  participants)  you  are  deserving  then  let  try  to  work  on  a  scape  that  will  bring  you  recognition  the  next  time.  Period.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 iam  not  talking  about  this  scape  r  any  other  but  this  year  iaplc  judgement  is  not  at  all  fair  there  is  some  scapes  not  relly  deserve  to  b  there  in  top  200  one  tank  even  Photoshoped  very  badly  in  my  first  look  i  can  notice  how  can  the  judges  ignore  like  this  points  i  dont  relly  understand  .sorry  guyz  if  i  said  something  wrong  .
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 I  think  Adip  will  be  the  best  person  to  answer  it  quick  and  correctly.
 
 Mods-  can  this  thread  be  split  and  moved  to  ADA  forum  or  Chit  chat  please?  sure  many  would  like  to  discuss  on  this  but  not  at  cost  of  a  journal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 Hey  Guys,
 
 Well  lots  of  quick  brew.
 
 I  was  not  on  the  panel  of  the  Judging  for  the  IAPLC  so  far  and  of  the  2012  entries  that  have  been  received  from  63  countries  it  has  taken  a  while  for  the  ADA  steering  committee  and  also  Mr.  Amano  to  review  and  select  the  Top  200  layouts  for  this  year.
 
   I  understand  the  controversy  as  to  how  the  tank  has  come  up  again  and  again  and  also  the  age  of  the  tank.  I  dont  think  while  judging  ADA  looked  at  the  history  of  the  tank  when  they  have  to  look  at  2000  +  tanks  its  a  bit  difficult,  but  am  sure  in  the  future  we  will  see  that  there  is  a  system  to  dismiss  applications  if  it  is  re  submitted.
 
 Infact  controversies  like  this  crop  up  every  year  when  you  have  so  many  entries  and  so  few  domain  experts  on  this  subject  and  that  is  precisely  the  reason  why  ADA  decided  to  have  an  online  voting  system  under  full  public  review.  Now  all  the  contestants  and  the  store  owners  can  vote  in  or  vote  out  the  scape  of  their  choice.  The  decision  is  still  in  your  hands!!  
 
 Understanding  all  these  conditions  and  also  knowing  the  fact  that  we  in  India  are  not  exposed  to  Nature  Aquarium  but  are  fast  catching  up  we  hosted  "The  Great  Indian  Aquascaping  contest".  This  is  a  platform  to  recognize  the  talent  within  our  borders  without  any  foreign  contestants.  We  hope  and  pray  that  we  make  full  use  of  this  platform  and  make  the  most  of  it  to  learn  quickly  and  catch  up  with  the  International  aquascaping  scene.
 
 We  have  a  plan  one  day  that  we  want  to  groom  the  top  aquascapist  in  India  and  equip  him  with  all  that  he  needs  to  bring  the  Top  prize  and  the  Glory  to  India.  I  envy  the  colors  flying  every  year  at  the  IAPLC  and  it  is  my  earnest  desire  to  see  the  Indian  flag  fluttering  some  time  soon.
 
 One  day  some  time  in  the  future......  my  dream  (Sorry...if  i  may  say  every  India's  desire)
 
 
 
 
 So  lets  unite  guys  and  help  each  other  as  we  learn  from  our  mistakes  and  take  on  Aquascaping  for  the  next  contest.  
 
 All  the  best.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 Nothing  personal  guys,  but  I  too  agree  that  this  year  judgment  is  not  at  all  fair.  I  can  see  couple  of  old  entries  in  top  200  segments.  This  is  really  bad  and  I  too  send  my  concern  to  ADA.  
 I  request  all  (who  all  feel  this  judgment  is  not  fair)  can  send  a  mail  to  support  [at]  iaplc  [dot]  com  so  that  in  future  the  panel  can  do  a  fair  judgment.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 Kuna  hi  i  sent  a  mail  to  ada  with  the  scape  numbers  pin  pointing  mistakes  but  still  every  one  should
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 Have  you  guys  seen  all  the  1000+  entries  to  judge  some  of  them  shouldn't  be  there  in  the  top  200  ?
 
 Or  is  it  only  the  repeat  entries  you  have  a  grouse  about  ?
 The  rules  seem  to  indicate  that  points  will  be  deducted  for  a  scape  that  has  been  submitted  the  year  earlier,
 so  depending  on  the  rest  of  the  field  maybe  this  scape  managed  to  make  it  within  200  after  points  deduction  !
 
 Entering  the  same  pic  every  alternate  year  or  once  in  3  years  may  help  get  into  the  top  200,  and  if  it  still  ranks  somewhere  close  to  what  it  did  previously,
 the  good  news  is  the  standards  worldwide  are  stagnant  or  are  falling  (  points  deductions  ),  so  the  rest  have  a  chance  to  catch  up,  
 but  this  is  something  to  take  up  with  ADA  and  IAPLC  directly  and  not  look  at  IAH  as  an  agony  aunt  !
 
 If  there  is  a  loophole  in  the  rules,  what's  wrong  with  exploiting  it  ?  but  for  that  you  first  need  to  make  a  tank  that  gets  into  the  top  200  somehow  !
 
 For  me  personally.  it  would  be  interesting  to  hear  from  IAPLC  if  points  were  deducted  for  resubmitted  photographs  !
 
 Look  at  the  good  side  folks,  the  world  is  not  running  away  with  stunning  layouts,  so  everyone  has  a  chance  to  catch  up  to  the  200.
 
 You  can  spend  all  the  money  you  want,  buy  the  most  expensive  products,  and  if  that  still  doesn't  get  you  in  the  200,  I  suggest  you  introspect  !
 
 The  first  30  in  the  IAPLC  are  what  matter,  that  is  where  the  best  ideas  are  showcased,
 the  rest  could  have  been  achieved  by  anyone  with  some  effort  IMHO.
 
 Don't  look  at  the  nitty  gritty  of  IAPLC  and  it's  rules  and  waste  your  time,  spend  your  energies  to  get  into  the  top  200,  and  BTW  don't  ever  try  to  resubmit  the  same  photograph  after  a  couple  of  years  !  ROFL  
 From  now  on  the  jobless  police  will  be  scanning  every  successful  (  if  top  200  can  be  called  that  )  Indian  entry  with  a  microscope  !  ROFL
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 It  would  be  very  intersting  to  know  if  Mr.  Deb  Gosh's  and  Mr.  Harshal's  tanks  participated  in  TGIAC
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 aquadip  nice  writ  up  .
 
 but  when  .
 
 if  this  thing  repeated  every  year  .  people  like  to  learn  ¬†Photoshop  ¬†and  make  scapes  out  of  that  
 
 Photoshop  is  much  much  more  easier  than  aquascaping  .
 
 example  we  spend  months  to  make  a  hardscape  after  plant  and  we  put  soo  much  afford  on  top  of  a  scape  only  aim  is  IAPLC  so  instead  of  doing  all  this  make  simple  scapws  with  only  i  rock  and  plant  resia  r  do  Photoshop  in  one  night  can  make  one  beautiful  scape  this  is  much  more  easy


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 Sreeram  I  would  like  to  see  your  photoshoped  aquascape  !  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 Madan  i  don't  like  to  cheat  for  entering  to  top  200.  
 
 if  i  make  a  scape  for  next  year  IAPLC  i  wil  put  all  my  afford  and  i  wil  try  o  make  a  better  aquascape  with  out  fallowing  any  previous  year  entry  .
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 Good  to  hear  that,  all  the  best  !
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 +1  Kuna  &  sreeram.......
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Rescaped 73 gal tank. Reply with quote

 just  love  this  one!!!
 
 
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