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 16/05/2006  -  Tank  started  up.  Cyling  with  LR  only
 25/05/2006  -  Added  A.  Sebae  pair
 08/06/2006  -  Tank  cycle  seems  to  be  over.  Diatom  bloom  has  started  up.
 12/06/2006  -  Added  Chaetodon  melannotus  and  Ptereleotris  microlepis.


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 Finally  getting  somewhere  with  the  reef  tank.  As  you  all  know  I  ve  been  taking  a  keen  ineterest  in  the  marine  section  for  a  while  now.  I  ve  mostly  been  researching  for  the  last  few  months  and  I  just  got  started  on  the  tank  today  finally.  
 
 Before  I  begin  some  basics:
 Tank  -  36*18*18  ~  50  US  Gals  ~  180  lt
 Filtration  -  Atman  Power  Filter  1200  lts/hr
 Equipment  -  None  at  the  moment  -  will  be  updated  when  it  gets  here
 
 The  tank  will  be  curing  LR  and  cycling  for  another  month  or  so  till  my  skimmer  and  filters  get  here.  Everything  is  HOB  and  I  don't  plan  on  having  a  sump  atm.  
 
 The  LR  arrived  early  in  the  morning  very  nicely  packed  in  2  boxes  with  styrofoam,  cloth  sack,  and  plastic.
 There  is  approximately  30  kg  of  LR  and  coral  sand.  Lots  of  nicely  encrusted  coralline  algae.  I  aslo  had  a  few  hitchhikers  at  the  bottom  of  the  boxes,  mostly  dead  but  a  few  shrimp  and  crabs  were  alive.
 I  cleaned  the  LR  by  taking  each  piece  and  swishing  it  vigorously  in  a  bucket  of  SW.  This  is  a  must  -  lots  of  chipping  during  transport.
 I  suspect  the  shrimp  may  be  Mantis  so  they  are  in  a  bucket  waiting  ID  before  I  put  them  in  the  tank.  Crabs  went  into  the  tank.
 I  can  already  see  loads  of  worm  like  creatures  on  the  LR  moving  around  as  I  write  this.
 
 OK  ,  enough  of  me  talking  -  here  are  the  pics.  Bad  quality  ,  I  am  sorry.  They  ll  have  to  do  till  I  get  my  camera  back.
 
 
 Package  1  with  LR  and  Coral  Sand
 
 
 Package  2  with  LR  wrapped  in  Cloth  Sack
 
 
 LR  after  cleaning
 
 
 Always  use  gloves,  children!!
 
 
 Salinity  -  1.023
 
 
 Tank  half  full  of  SW.  The  salt  (Instant  Ocean)  was  mixed  and  allowed  to  stand  for  3  days.
   
 
 
 LR  from  Bag  1
 
 
 Particularly  nice  piece  of  LR  -  Lots  of  Coralline
 
 
 FTS  with  LR
 
 
 Top  Down  Shot
 
 
 Left  Tank  Shot
 
 
 Right  Tank  Shot
 
 
 Another  FTS  -  I  think  I  have  too  much  LR
 
 The  tank  is  BB  right  now  so  that  I  can  siphon  out  all  the  debris  without  much  difficulty.  The  sand  will  go  in  the  tank  in  a  few  days  time.
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 Noticed  a  little  die  off  today.  The  smell  is  not  too  bad,  you  actually  have  to  get  your  head  down  to  the  water  to  smell  anything.  A  lot  more  debris  and  dead  worms  on  the  bottom  of  the  tank  now.  
 I  think  I  will  have  to  clean  the  tank  once  every  3  days  and  remove  the  dieoff  everyday.  I  think  also  10%  -  15%  water  change  on  the  weekends.
 
 I  am  not  sure  wether  to  skim  now  or  wait  for  the  curing/cycling  to  complete  before  I  start  skimming.  The  power  filter  I  use  has  a  venturi  and  I  can  see  a  yellow  brown  layer  of  colour  in  the  flow.
 
 Any  thoughts  on  the  skimming,  please?
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 Hi  Pradeep,
             Excellent  ,  please  keep  this  post  updated  as  it  will  help  people  like  me  in  future  dive  into  marine  aquarium,
 
 Those  LR  look  lovely,  Lot  of  violet  corraline  algae,  
 
 Did  you  get  the  LR  immersed  in  water  ?
 
 Is  it  adviseable  to  remove  the  LR  from  water  since  mushrooms  and  other  polyps  may  die  due  to  this  ?
 
 
                                                 
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Any  thoughts  on  the  skimming,  please?                

 
 Skimmer  is  absolutely  necessary  according  to  me  to  remove  some  of  the  nasties  before  producing  ammonia,  If  there  is  a  ammonia  spike  the  critters  in  the  live  rocks  could  die  and  as  a  result  end  up  with  dead  rocks.
 
 Please  correct  me  if  i  am  wrong.
 
 Rahul
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 Hi  Rahul,
 Thanks  for  acknowledging  this  post.  
 I  was  beginning  to  think  I  smelt  bad  Surprised  
 
 LR  was  wet  packed  with  newspaper  and  cloth  sack,  it  was  damp  when  it  came  to  me.
 
 I  don't  have  any  mushrooms  and  polyps  atm  so  not  worried  there.  The  sponges  have  die  off  and  I  ll  scrub  them  off.  
 
 I  ve  got  varied  opinions  about  the  skimming.  Skimming  will  extend  the  cycle  time  but  at  the  same  time  will  reduce  the  ammonia  levels  so  that  the  critters  stay  alive.  See  a  Catch  22  there  Smile  ??  
 I  guess  I  ll  borrow  a  skiimer  till  mine  gets  here.  I  d  like  to  keep  the  die  off  to  a  minimum.
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 Hi  Pradeep,
                   
                                                 
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I  guess  I  ll  borrow  a  skiimer  till  mine  gets  here.  I  d  like  to  keep  the  die  off  to  a  minimum.                

 
 That's  a  good  idea,  I  know  it  is  tough  to  wait  for  the  cycling  to  complete,  But  patience  really  being  the  key  in  a  marine  aquarium,  I  guess  i  would  easily  take  around  6-8  months  to  get  it  to  full  steam.
 
 This  is  what  i  am  planning  to  do  :-
 
 I-phase
 Get  some  live  rocks  and  some  coral  sand  and  let  it  cure  in  the  tank,  with  light  and  a  ammonia  source(added  after  3  weeks)  the  live  rocks  should  start  functioning  to  reduce  the  ammonia,  nitrite  and  nitrate,  at  this  point  add  some  base  rock  and  a  little  live  sand  culture  from  a  established  tank.  wait  for  2months
 
 {Regular  quality  checks  and  water  changes  if  required.}
 
 II-phase
 buy  the  end  of  2  months  with  a  constant  ammonia  source  the  base  rock  and  sand  should  have  gone  live(hopefully),    at  this  point  add  some  hardy  fishes  after  changing  upto  50%  water  or  as  required,  wait  for  4  weeks  or  till  every  thing  stablizes  .
 
 III-  phase
 Slowly  add  the  fishes  and  inverts  giving  a  gap  of  atleast  a  month  before  adding  a  new  fish  or  invert.
 
 Are  there  any  problems  you  foresee  with  this  plan,  i  have  not  aquired  anything  for  the  setup  since  i  am  still  planning.
 I  dont  mind  waiting  this  long  since  even  the  algae  on  the  LR  looks  so  great  and  i  will  learn  to  keep  the  water  parameters  to  the  optimum  
 
 
 Hope  i  did  not  go  off  topic.
 
 Rahul
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 Hi  Pradeep,
 
 
                                                 
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Hi  Rahul,  
 Thanks  for  acknowledging  this  post.  
 I  was  beginning  to  think  I  smelt  bad    
                 

 
 Great  post  -  the  pics  are  quite  informative.  I  had  checked  the  post  but  am  way  too  far  from  having  a  marine  tank  and  have  no  experience  what-so-ever  and  hence  had  not  made  any  comments.  Nice  tank  -  would  like  to  see  the  pics  when  its  complete  with  fish  and  inverts.
 
 But  please  do  keep  this  thread  updated  -  will  be  a  learning  experience  and  a  great  source  of  information  AND  also  a  source  of  encouragement  to  people  like  me  who  are  thinking  of  a  marine  tank  BUT  not  feeling  ready  to  get  into  it  yet  ....
 
 Thanks,
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 Welcome  to  the  salt  hobby!
 Good  to  see  your  dedication  -  keep  it  up!
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 Welcome  to  the  salt  hobby!
 Good  to  see  your  dedication  -  keep  it  up!                

 
 I  was  waiting  for  your  posts.  How  can  you  disappear  just  when  I  start  up  the  tank?
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 Can  anyone  identify  these?  There  are  3  shrimp  and  a  crab.  Shrimp,  I  suspect  Mantis;  Crab,  I  have  no  idea.
 
 
 There  was  some  visible  dieoff  today.  It  looks  like  milky  white  mucus  trapped  in  the  cavities  on  the  coralline.
 Rubbed  it  all  off  with  a  toothbrush.  Rubbed  off  a  lot  of  other  stuff,  including  algae,  sponges  and  some  other  organisms  which  I  cannot  identify.
 
 Anything  which  was  soft  came  off,  anything  which  was  growing  over  coralline  came  off,  anything  which  looked  nasty  also  came  off.  Siphoned  off  a  bucket  of  water  from  the  tank  along  with  about  a  million  worms  wich  were  lying  on  the  bottom  of  the  tank.
 
 Pictures  of  Die  Off  on  LR  
 
 
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I  was  waiting  for  your  posts.  How  can  you  disappear  just  when  I  start  up  the  tank?                

 Sorry  I  could  read  the  thread  only  today  -  I'm  not  quite  comfortable  with  the  idea  of  'no  skimmer'  but  if  you  say  you  are  borrowing  one  -  I'm  counting  on  you!
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Can  anyone  identify  these?  There  are  3  shrimp  and  a  crab.  Shrimp,  I  suspect  Mantis;  Crab,  I  have  no  idea.                  

 Don't  worry  Pradeep  we  don't  want  any  of  the  unwanted  critters  in  the  tank  either!  (sorry  could  not  get  a  very  good  look  at  them  due  to  the  bad  lighting  conditions)
 
                                                 
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There  was  some  visible  dieoff  today.  It  looks  like  milky  white  mucus  trapped  in  the  cavities  on  the  coralline.  
 Rubbed  it  all  off  with  a  toothbrush.  Rubbed  off  a  lot  of  other  stuff,  including  algae,  sponges  and  some  other  organisms  which  I  cannot  identify.                  

 fine  but  I'd  suggest  you  to  wear  gloves  when  handling  the  LRs  as  it  can  be  itchy  sometimes!
 secondly  don't  handle  them  much!  
 thirdly  see  that  the  die  off  is  not  temprature  related.
 fourthly  I  suspect  an  ammonia  spike  (it  is  mandetory  to  have  a  skimmer  when  you  cycle  the  tank  with  live  rocks)
 
                                                 
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along  with  about  a  million  worms  wich  were  lying  on  the  bottom  of  the  tank.                
 
 check  your  ammonia  and  general  water  parameters
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 Right  ,  I  ve  got  a  skimmer  in.  Pretty  long,  venturi  powered  skimmer.  
 I  am  running  it  off  my  Atman  1200  lt/hr  pump  but  its  rated  for  600  gph  pump.  
 Somehow  I  have  the  feeling  it's  not  working  to  well.  The  distance  between  the  highest  bubbles  and  the  collection  cup  is  about  8  inches  with  no  sign  of  decreasing.
 Any  ideas  on  what  to  do?
 Does  it  take  some  time  for  the  bubbles  to  build  up?
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

                                                   
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Right  ,  I  ve  got  a  skimmer  in.  Pretty  long,  venturi  powered  skimmer.                
 
 Good!
 
                                                 
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I  am  running  it  off  my  Atman  1200  lt/hr  pump  but  its  rated  for  600  gph  pump.                  

   Surprised  don't  you  feel  it  is  a  bit  too  powerful  for  your  3'  tank?
 I'd  suggest  you  to  buy  a  humble  'co-current'  air  powered  skimmer  and  use  it  for  your  cycling  (cheap  and  effective)
 
                                                 
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Somehow  I  have  the  feeling  it's  not  working  to  well.  The  distance  between  the  highest  bubbles  and  the  collection  cup  is  about  8  inches  with  no  sign  of  decreasing.                  

 it  is  probably  because  you  have  an  underpowered  pump!
 
                                                 
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Any  ideas  on  what  to  do?  
 Does  it  take  some  time  for  the  bubbles  to  build  up?                

 I  think  with  the  kind  of  dead  matter  you  describe  -  I  think  you  should  start  getting  some  skimmate  by  now!
 Which  skimmer  do  you  use?  company  
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