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 Hey  guys,
 
 I'm  back  after  a  very  very  long  time.    I  have  setup  a  Marine  tank,  3x1x1.25  with  a  trickle  filter,  10kgs  live  rock,  and  protein  skimmer.
 
 I  have  the  following:
 
 5  Monos  (my  cycling  fish)
 2  Surgeons  (LFS  called  it  sergeant  major...  is  this  correct??)
 1  Yellow  Damsel
 
 I  will  be  getting:
 
 2  Wrass  (Moon  and  Doctor)
 2  Damsel  (Blue  and  3  Spot)
 
 What  do  you  guys  think?
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 Congrats    Clapping  .  Pictures  would  clear  the  confusions  about  the  fish  being  surgeon  or  sgt.  Will  not  be  a  good  idea  to  add  a  fish  like  lunar  wrasse  in  a  small  tank.  They  tend  to  be  very  aggressive  with  age  and  can  easily  kill  a  slower  fish.
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 Am  trying  to  take  a  pic  of  'em.    But  one  of  those  guys  is  always  hidden  and  the  other  is  tooooo  fast  for  any  camera...
 
 I  love  aggresive  fish.  Very Happy      
 
   I  will  try  to  accomadate  them,  and  hope  for  the  best...
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 Congrats,  Lancelot.
 Nice  to  see  another  person  who  likes  wrasses.  Hope  I  can  come  see  you  tank  sometime.
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2  Wrass  (Moon  and  Doctor)  
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 Hey  Lance,  Nice  to  see  you  back  with  a  bang!
 well  buddy,  actually  I  feel  cycling  your  tank  with  eight  fish  will  stress  the  fish    Crying or Very sad  
 Actually,  only  the  live  rocks  and  a  single  damsel  should  be  enough!
 As  for  the  aggressive  fish  yes,  Shankar  is  right  the  lunar  wrasse  tends  to  get  a  bit  aggressive  with  age  but  if  the  tank  mates  are  a  three  spot  damsel  and  the  sergeant  major  I  see  no  problem  -  try  avoiding  the  blue  and  the  yellow  damsel  as  they  remain  a  bit  smaller  and  might  just  be  vulnerable.
 Wish  you  all  the  best!
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 hi  lance
 
 nice  stocking  list
 
 sergeant  majors  are  damsels..if  what  you  have  are  fish  with  black  stripes  on  white,then  they  are  seargent  majors..a  mean  aggressive  fish
 
 i  would  like  to  share  some  information  here  as  you  have  mentioned  you  want  a  doctor  wrasse
 
 a  doctor  wrasse  or  cleaner  wrasse  as  it  is  more  commonly  called  is  a  fish(genus  Labroides)  that  is  found  on  reefs  throughout  the  world.
 
 as  you  might  know  this  fish  is  an  obligate  cleaner..meaning  it  obtains  all  of  its  nutrition  from  eating  parasites  and  dead  or  dying  tissue  off  the  other  fishes..hence  it  is  called  doctor  wrasse  as  it  helps  in  keeping  the  fishes  disease  free..
 
 though  this  kind  of  behaviour  is  interesting  to  watch  in  the  aquarium  and  also  useful  in  keeping  parasite  loads  low,doctor  wrasses  require  large  number  of  fishes  from  whom  they  eat  the  parasites..the  large  number  of  fishes  are  available  only  on  the  reefs  and  not  in  aquariums...
 
 though  your  cleaner  wrasse  may  accept  other  food  ,it  might  still  not  last  very  long  and  waste  away  in  a  few  months
 
 also  the  removal  of  cleaner  wrasses  from  reefs  has  resulted  in  large  scale  mortalities  of  other  fish  due  to  parasitic  infections...i  think  we  should  be  conscientitious  and  not  buy  such  species  which  whose  removal  has  a  detrimental  effect  on  the  reef  ecosystem
 
 if  you  want  an  organism  for  cleaning  activity,you  can  try  a  cleaner  shrimp  or  neon  goby  both  of  which  only  eat  the  parasites  as  a  supplement  to  their  other  food  and  their  removal  does  not  affect  the  reef  much
 
 all  this  info  is  available  on  the  book  by  robert  fenner  "the  conscientious  marine  aquarist"
 
 please  understand  that  I  am  not  discouraging  you  but  just  saying  that  there  are  many  other  suitable  fish  for  your  tank  and  the  absence  of  a  doctor  wrasse  shouldnt  hurt  much
 
 avoid  buying  the  doctor  wrasse..if  all  of  us  marine  aquarists  shun  this  species,nobody  will  collect  it  and  it  will  be  left  in  the  reef  to  ensure  that  the  health  of  the  ecosystem  is  maintained  and  we  are  able  to  get  healthy  reef  organisms  for  our  aquariums
 
 hope  this  helps(sorry  for  the  long  post)
 
 regards
 
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 Hey  pironya,
 I  am  with  you  on  this!  Even  I  read  it  in  fenner's  book  and  agree  on  this.
 
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2  Wrass  (Moon  and  Doctor)  
 2  Damsel  (Blue  and  3  Spot)                  

 
                                                 
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 Hey  Lance,  Nice  to  see  you  back  with  a  bang!
 well  buddy,  actually  I  feel  cycling  your  tank  with  eight  fish  will  stress  the  fish    Crying or Very sad  
 Actually,  only  the  live  rocks  and  a  single  damsel  should  be  enough!
 As  for  the  aggressive  fish  yes,  Shankar  is  right  the  lunar  wrasse  tends  to  get  a  bit  aggressive  with  age  but  if  the  tank  mates  are  a  three  spot  damsel  and  the  sergeant  major  I  see  no  problem  -  try  avoiding  the  blue  and  the  yellow  damsel  as  they  remain  a  bit  smaller  and  might  just  be  vulnerable.
 Wish  you  all  the  best!                

 
 The  cycling  was  done  with  Monos  for  the  initial  phase  and  the  other  fishes  were  added  one  at  a  time  with  a  gap  of  3  -  4  days  between  additions  to  allow  some  bacteria  growth.    
 
 So  far  there  are  no  signs  of  stress,  just  an  overactive  sergeant  who  loves  nipping  at  the  Monos  (who  are  5  times  his  size)....  God,  I  love  that  little  guy.
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 sergeant  majors  are  damsels..if  what  you  have  are  fish  with  black  stripes  on  white,then  they  are  seargent  majors..a  mean  aggressive  fish
 
                 

 
 One  of  the  "sergeants"  fits  your  description  exactly.    The  other  guy  has  a  purplish  body  with  a  blue  spot  at  the  back  of  the  dorsal  fin.    He  prefers  to  stay  under  cover  as  much  as  possible.
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 Pironya,
 
 I  was  not  aware  of  anything  that  you  had  written  down.    And  now  that  I  am,  I  will  take  the  doctor  wrass  off  my  list.    Maybe  I'll  try  the  neon  goby  if  its  available  for  a  decent  prize??    Confused  
 
 But  the  type  of  information  you  gave  out  is  good.    It  is  required,  so  forget  about  the  size  of  your  post.    It  should  have  been  mentioned  at  it  has,  kudos  to  you.    Clapping  
 
 I,  for  one,  started  a  marine  tank  as  a  challenge  to  see  if  I  can  do  it.    I  believe  I  can  and  will  try  my  best.    I  have  enjoyed  the  experience  so  far  and  plan  to  continue  it.    However,  I  feel  that  we  should  enjoy  the  hobby  for  what  it  is  without  damaging  the  natural  habitat  around  us....
 
 anyways,  thanx  for  the  info.
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 hi
 
 man  am  i  relieved  you  understood  and  took  the  wrasse  off  your  list!
 
 you  deserve  appreciation  cos  many  people  nowadays  are  only  bothered  about  adding  colour  and  different  behaviour  to  their  marine  tanks  without  worrying  about  the  ramifications  for  the  reef  where  these  organisms  come  from..
 
 in  fact  im  planning  to  post  a  new  thread  about  all  the  marine  animals  that  should  not  be  bought  by  marine  aquarists  in  india...once  we  start  shunning  this  kind  of  species,the  collectors  will  no  longer  find  it  viable  and  these  species  will  be  left  in  the  reef  where  they  can  enjoy  healthier  more  fulfilling  lives
 
 thanks  again  for  understanding  man
 
 post  a  pic  of  your  other  sergeant  if  poss..
 
 check  out  www.wetwebmedia.com  if  you  already  havent..thats  where  i  learnt  a  lot  of  stuff  about  marine  aquariums...a  very  good  site!
 
 all  the  best  with  your  new  tank  and  do  keep  us  posted  as  you  go  about  setting  it  up
 
 any  help,always  glad
 
 regards
 
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 Dr  Wrasses  are  pretty  bad  survivors  hence  that  is  another  reason  to  get  rid  of  them.  The  monos  should  also  go  ...you  need  to  decrease  the  bio  load  and  let  the  bacteria  regroup  and  reestablish.
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 The  Monos  were  used  only  for  cycling...  they  will  be  vacating  the  premises  soon...    Very Happy
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 UPDATE:
 
 Monos  are  history...  
 
 I've  added  a  3  spot  damsel,  a  wibbler??,  and  a  lionfish...  
 
 I  love  me  tank...
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UPDATE:
 
 I've  added  a  3  spot  damsel,  and  a  lionfish  
 
 I  love  me  tank...                

 
 Nice!!  I  don't  think  you'll  find  a  more  aggressive  couple  Smile
 
 Let  me  know  where  you  got  them  from  and  the  rates  please.
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