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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:44 pm Post subject: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 I  am  planning  to  setup  a  4X2X2  aquarium  (bare  bottom  tank)  to  house  4  Oscars.
 
 Can  experts  please  advise  right  filtration  mechanism?  I  am  thinking  to  install  external  canister  filter,  but  not  sure  
 
 what  is  the  right  capacity  (Lt/Hr)  needed  for  such  setup.
 
 Since  there  will  be  no  subtract  in  the  tank,  will  biological  filtration  be  a  issue  since  there  will  be  no  gravel  to  house  beneficial  bacteria?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 Go  for  atleast  2  Eheim  2217  filters  or  2  SunSun  HW  304  filters
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 Eheim  is  best  or  go  for  a  diy  trickle  filter.....
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 Thanks  Guys,  I'll  go  for  Eheim  2217  there  few  more  questions  I  have  here:
 
 1.  Will  2  Eheim  2217  filters  create  more  water  turbulence  than  what  can  be  accommodated  in  a  4X2X2  tank?  If  yes  is  there  a  way  out  to  control  it?
 2.  This  is  going  to  be  a  bare  bottom  tank,  there  wont  be  gravel  where  beneficial  bacteria's  can  culture.  will  2  Eheim  filters  give  required  biological  filtration  support  to  the  tank?
 3.  Are  external  filters  good  to  suck  fish  poop  from  bottom  of  the  tank?  I  feel  a  Internal  sponge  filter  does  suckup  droppings  very  well  from  tank  bottom.  Not  sure  how  external  filter  performs.
 
 If  the  External  filters  are  not  good  for  sucking  droppings  from  the  tank  bottom,  should  I  go  for  1  Eheim  2217  and  a  Internal  sponge  filter
 
 Please  advise
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 I  believe  2  pumps  will  be  good  enough.  You  can  use  the  the  spray  bar  to  control  the  flow.  I  dont  think  any  filter  will  remove  the  the  bottom  waste  completely,  however  they  will  gradually  decompose  in  water  and  then  sucked  by  the  pump.  the  alternative  is  to  remove  them  as  per  your  convenience.
 
 You  may  find  this  article  An  overview  of  Eheim  Classic  canister  filters  Helpful.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  link  Deepak  it  was  very  informative.  Based  on  your  inputs  I  will  go  for  2  Eheim  2217  filters
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 There  is  no  filter  which  will  remove  poop  from  your  tank.
 Using  a  gravel  siphon  while  removing  the  water  from  the  tank  is  a  good  way  of  removing  muck.
 I  am  not  sure  how  will  a  bare  bottom  with  oscar  will  look  like,  they  are  very  messy  eaters,  and  their  poop  is  huge  Very Happy  .
 Unless  you  are  planning  on  cleaning  the  tank  daily,  it  will  look  odd.
 Ensure  that  the  tank  is  setup  with  filters  running  and  introduce  the  oscars  at  the  same  time.
 Also  they  should  be  of  same  size  as  far  as  possible,  this  will  cut  down  aggression  to  some  extant,  look  out  for  signs  of  bullying  and  remove  weaker  fish.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 Oscars  are  messy  eaters.   I  don't  know  how  big  your  oscars  are,  more  the  bio  load  more  the  filtration  needed.   I  have  a  similar  tank  which  currently  house  some  juveniles,  and  I  am  running  a  DoPhin  C1300  canister  filter  (2300  Ltr/hour)  and  an  internal  power  filter  as  well.   And  they  are  doing  a  pretty  good  job  I  have  to  say.   Ehiem  is  a  bit  expensive  (although  totally  worth  it)  which  is  why  I  settled  for  Dophin.
 
 Anyway  u  will  have  to  remove  any  waste  on  tank  floor  periodically.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 Hi  Kiran,
 
 There  will  be  4  12  Inch  Oscars  in  the  tank.  4X2X2  will  make  it  a  120  Gallon  tank.  Is  this  not  a  sufficient  tank  size  for  4  adult  Oscars?
 
 The  reason  I  am  focusing  more  on  filtration  is  because  of  the  fact  that  Oscars  are  Messy  Smile  
 Based  on  Inputs  above  I  am  going  to  get  2  Eheim  2217  filters.
 I  will  keep  the  tank  substract  less  so  that  tank  floor  can  be  easily  cleaned  once  a  week.
 I  am  thinking  to  do  50%%  water  change  once  a  week.
 
 I  hope  the  works,  I  am  going  to  get  the  setup  quotation  tomorrow
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 Sandeep  Sir,
 
 It  is  a  pleasure  to  see  you  commenting  on  my  post.  Thanks  for  all  your  inputs.
 
 I  agree  this  tank  of  mine  wont  be  beautiful.  ugly  bare  bottom  tank  floor  will  be  hidden  from  view  (to  some  extent)  by  3  inch  wooden  ply  covering  lower  portion  of  the  tank.  Actually  my  focus  is  not  too  much  on  beautification  of  this  tank.  The  intend  is  to  keep  4  healthy  water  dogs  with  whom  I  can  spend  some  lonely  time  and  enjoy.
 I  may  not  be  able  to  clean  the  tank  daily,  may  be  twice  a  week.  But  I  am  assuming  that  with  50%  WC  once  a  week  and  cleaning  the  bottom  2  times  a  week  I  will  be  able  to  maintain  the  water  quality.
 I  will  do  2   -  3  DIY  caves  in  the  tank  and  make  sure  fishes  are  of  similar  size.  so  that  the  aggression  is  in  control.
 I  will  anyways  closely  monitor  aggression  /  bullying  in  the  tank  and  take  necessary  corrective  actions  based  on  what  I  have  learnt  on  this  site.
 I  am  very  excited  for  my  new  tank
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 I  haven't  raised  oscars  that  big,  from  what  I  have  heard  it  would  only  be  fair  to  consider  50  gallons  per  Oscar  fish  (considering  the  size  to  which  it  can  grow).   Also  if  a  pair  forms,  I  m  just  worried  about  the  other  2   Very Happy  
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 Kiran  Sir,
 
 In  case  of  pair  I  will  have  little  option  but  to  return  remaining  babies  to  LFS.  My  wife  will  kill  me  if  I  get  any  more  fish  tanks  in  my  house  after  this  one.
 
 On  volume  per  Oscar  my  understanding  is  (correction  needed):
 
 1  Oscar            50  Gallon
 2  Oscars           75  Gallon
 3  Oscars           100  Gallon
 4  Oscars           125  Gallon
 
 I  got  to  know  this  from  a  friend  who  has  a  Similar  setup.  Correction  needed  please.
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 Hello  Asif,
 
 You  can  refer  to  this  link
 http://www.oscarfishlover.com/forum/24-setting-up-an-oscar-fish-aquarium/966-aquarium-facts-sizes-weights?limit=12&start=12
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Right filtration for a 4X2X2 aquarium housing Reply with quote

 I  am  confused  ...
 
 A  4x2x2  tank  should  be  120  US  Gallons.  As  per  the  below  calculations.
 
 
                                                 
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http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/converter/volume-calculator.php                

 
 As  per  the  link  Deepakji  provided  ...
 1  Eheim  2217  is  sufficient  for  Aquarium  size  599.43  Litres(159  US  Gallons)
 
 
 Then  why  are  2  Canisters  required?
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 Hello  abishek,
 I  guess  it  all  depends  on  the  bio  load  ,  although  2217  is  said  to  give  260  GPH  not  sure  how  much  it  really  gives  with  all  the  filter  media
 http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/showthread.php?t=120979
 
 Some  people  prefer  a  turn  around  of  at  least  a  few  times  the  volume  of  the  tank  (  I  have  heard  about  people  using  10x  turn  around  with  matured  Africans)
 
 Please  note  that  we  are  dealing  with  oscars  here.
 
 Just  my  thought
 
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