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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: Mysterious prob .. tetras wiped out Reply with quote

 Hi
 I  have  2  questions  :
 
 1)  Are  red  loaches  safe  to  keep  in  a  tetra  tank  ?  What  is  their  temperament  like  ?  (I  have  no  experience  with  them)
 
 2)  Recently  i  introduced  3  new  fish  to  my  tetra  tank  which  my  LFS  claims  is  a  "Black  spot  tetra"  ...  these  are  about  3/4  of  an  inch  long,  silver  colored,  with  a  light  metallic  green  color  around  the  belly  and  a  black  spot  near  the  tal  and  dorsal  fin.  The  reason  i  asked  is  just  after  i  introduced  them  to  my  tank,  i  noticed  them  chasing  and  nipping  the  tetras  and  overnite  almost  all  my  tetras  died.  I  havent  a  clue  whether  it  was  a  disease  outbreak  or  what.  Along  with  these  "Black  spot  tetras"  i  also  introduced  Cherry  barbs  and  peacock  rainbows  (small)  which  are  fine.  The  bigger  fish  (rosy  barbs,  loaches  and  black  neon  tetras)  seem  to  be  doing  fine  so  far.
 
 What  on  earth  happened  here  ?
 I  quarantined  the  tetras,  barbs  and  rainbows  prior  to  introducing  to  the  tank.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

 What's  your  tank  size  and  how  long  the  tank  is  running??
 
 What  tetras  were  actually  wiped  out??
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 Hi
 My  tank  is  a  90g  tank  (48"  x  18"  x  24"),  3WPG  fluorescent  lighting,  DIY  CO2,  etc  running  fine  for  the  past  8  months.
 
 Ammonia,  Nitirite,  Nitrate  all  normal.
 
 These  are  the  fish  that  got  cleaned  out  :
 12  neon  tetras
 10  hockey  sticks
 6  silver  tip
 8  yellow  fins
 6  (was  told  to  me  as  mountain  tetra  ...  gah  !!)
 4  black  neon  tetras
 2  cherry  barbs
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Mysterious prob .. tetras wiped out Reply with quote

                                                   
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 1)  Are  red  loaches  safe  to  keep  in  a  tetra  tank  ?  What  is  their  temperament  like  ?  (I  have  no  experience  with  them)
                 

 What  is  a  "red  loach"?.  Google  does  not  throw  up  any  fish  by  this  name
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What  is  a  "red  loach"?.  Google  does  not  throw  up  any  fish  by  this  name  
   
   
                 

 
 Could  be  a  red  tail  shark  ?
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 Could  they  be  Botia  Lecontei  which  is  Red  Finned  Loach?
 If  yes,  they  are  harmless.  Probably  can't  even  catch  a  tetra  if  it  has  the  inclination,  let  alone  kill  it.
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 A  red  tailed  loach  can  be  either  B.  modesta  or  B.  lecontei,  most  likely  the  former.  They  will  grow  to  over  6"  and  are  quite  capable  of  snacking  on  small  fish.
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 Ok
 A  red  loach  and  a  blue  loach  looks  similar  to  a  clown  loach  (same  size  and  behaviour)  ....  probably  even  the  same  family.  Its  a  shy  bottom  feeding  fish  except  that  red/blue  loaches  have  their  bodies  and  fins  in  ligher/darker  red/blue  colors  respectively.
 
 But  could  i  please  get  a  low  down  on  my  departed  friends  ?
 
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 Ok
 About  the  Botia  species  ....  none  of  the  botia  species  snack  on  any  fish  whatsoever  ...  
 I  double-checked  from  this  site  :  http://www.webcityof.com/miff1016.htm#Botiamorleti
 
 And  all  of  the  species  are  listed  as  "HARMLESS"
 
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 Hello  Soumi,
 
 Sorry  about  your  losses.
 
 All  the  Tertras  will  not  have  the  same  temperment.  Your  description  of  the  black  spot  Tetra  makes  me  think  of  the  Red  eye  Tetra.  See  if  it  has  red  eyes.
 
 The  fishes  you  have  lost  except  Silver  tips  are  all  sober  fishes.
 
 Tetras  like  Serpae,Red  eyes,Blood  fins,  Black  skirts  etc  are  not  good  tank  mates  for  them.  Again  except  for  Cherry  barbs  all  other  barbs  are  too  boisterous  for  them(eg:Rosy  Barb).  The  best  bottom  dwellers  for  your  tank  are  the  Corydoras.Try  to  avoid  Loaches.
 
 You  have  got  DIY  Co2  in  your  tank.  That  fluctuates  the  Ph.  This  is  stressful  for  the  delicate  fishes  you  have  lost.
 
 Also  add  two  Almond  leaves  to  your  setup.  The  Tannin  released  are  very  good  for  your  Tetras.
 
 Most  importantly  stabilising  a  Tetra  tank  is  very  hard.  Once  you  achieve  it  Please  resist  all  temptation  to  add  any  more  fishes  .
 
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 Ho  Rasikanayak
 
 Thanks  for  your  inputs.  Just  one  thing  ...  what  are  almond  leaves  and  where  do  i  get  them  ?
 
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 Sorry
 Thats  a  typo  for  "Hi"
 
 ok,  another  question  ....  why  to  avoid  loaches  ?  I  thought  they  were  a  good  natural  defence  to  emerging  snail  infestations.
 
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 Hello  Soumi,
 
 There  are  a  lot  of  articles  regarding  Almond  leaves  in  these  Forums.  Nags  article  on  the  same  is  excellent.  Almond  leaves  release  Tanin  which  are  very  benificial  to  delicate  Tetras.
 
 Loaches  generally  make  a  nuisance  of  themselves.  Hardier  Tetras  are  OK  with  Loaches.  But  the  chances  of  Loaches  injuring  or  stressing  the  delicate  Tetras  are  high.  So  better  avoided.
 
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Sorry
 Thats  a  typo  for  "Hi"
 ok,  another  question  ....  why  to  avoid  loaches  ?  I  thought  they  were  a  good  natural  defence  to  emerging  snail  infestations.
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 They  are  in  fact  a  good  control  for  snails,  but  they  are  very  boisterous  by  nature  and  very  active.  They  go  along  with  fishes  that  are  large  or  equally  swift  and  not  bothered  by  their  activities.
 Tetras  are  senstive  by  nature  and  may  get  stressed  by  loaches.
 Also  loaches  are  very  good  at  identifying  a  sick  fish,  as  soon  as  they  see  a  sick  fish  they  start  hounding  it,  and  they  often  hound  it  to  death.
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