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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:58 pm Post subject: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 Hi  all.
 My  tank's  dimensions  are  3  feet  x  1.5  x  1.5  feet.
 I  have  a  sunsun  1400L/h  external  canister  filter.
 There  is  dust  and  fine  algae  on  the  foreground  pelia.
 
 @Cichlid_lover  was  using  a  powerhead  in  his  planted  tank  for  circulation.
 Will  using  a  powerhead  help  in  circulating  nutrients  and  co2?
 ADA  journal  suggest  oxygenation  using  lily  pipe  in  night  for  fish.  I  am  using  a  oxygen  diffuser  for  this.  Can  powerhead  serve  this  purpose  too?
 Should  I  use  the  powerhead  with  the  oxygen  tube  attached?  If  it  is  removed,  the  flow  will  be  less.
 Please  advise.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 IMO  your  tank  id  doing  fine,  that  filter  is  perfect,  but  just  keep  the  co2  appropriate.  Thumb Up  rest  is  fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 In  One  word  Yes
 I  have  used  one  to  allow  better  flow  in  the  belief  that  it  would  reduce  algae,  It  didn't'  seem  to  t  do  much.  Personally  I  have  never  switched  off  CO2  at  night  or  oxygenated  a  tank  at  night,  so  cant  comment  on  that
 
 Even  if  you  are  using  a  power  head  you  probably  don't  need  that  unsightly  sponge  attached  to  it.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 Never  oxygenate  a  planted  tank,  it  reduces  dissolved  CO2,  also  removing  the  pipe  doesn't  cause  change  in  water  flow  Smile  go  ahead  and  remove  it  or  connect  it  to  a  co2  kit  or  DIY  bottle  Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 The  powerhead  looks  pretty  huge  compared  to  your  tank.  I  would  advise  getting  a  smaller  one  and  as  someone  said  earlier,  just  use  the  powerhead,  removing  the  sponge  compartment.  I  used  the  sponge  in  my  tank,  but  myine  was  a  4x2  footer  tank  and  so  was  barely  visible.
 Regrading  the  oxygen  tube,  its  just  air  bubbles  getting  into  your  tank  using  that  tube.  Not  recommended  for  a  planted  tank  with  co2  as  it  will  gas  out  all  of  the  co2.  In  addition,  these  air  bubles  cannot  be  used  by  the  fish  directly  as  they  are  not  in  the  dissolved  form  in  the  water.  They  just  rise  to  the  surface  with  no  imminent  advantage  other  than  creating  ripples  on  the  surface  which  might  help  gas  exchange.   Probably  you  will  face  salt  creep  in  the  long  run  when  these  bubbles  break  against  the  water  surface.  Its  much  better  if  you  can  create  just  create  a  surface  ripple  using  water  flow  which  will  naturally  promote  gas  exchange.  
 Is  that  green  algae  on  the  substrate?  or  some  moss??
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 I'm  using  a  Top  Filter.  I  think  it's  similar  to  the  Power  Filter,  as  both  need  a  Power  head  to  function.  So,  my  answer  would  be  'Yes'.  But,  as  someone  told  the  filter  media  doesn't  look  that  good.  So,  remove  the  Filter  media  from  it.
 Get  a  1ft  PVC  pipe  with  a  diameter  that  fits  into  the  Power  head  and  a  Sponge  Filter.  Make  sure  the  pipe  should  fits  exactly  into  the  top  of  the  Sponge  Filter  and  into  the  lower  part  of  the  Power  head.  Even  if  it  is  a  bit  smaller  for  the  Power  head,  it  can  b  adjusted  by  jst  heating  in  a  candle.  Now,  attach  all  the  3  -  Powerhead  +  1ft  PVC  pipe  +  Sponge  Filter  -  and  u  r  done.  The  Power  head  will  work  in  your  tank  but  won't  look  so  absurd  as  it  is  now.
 Hope  u  understood  my  suggestion!!
 
 IMO,  an  oxygen  diffuser  is  not  necessary  as  a  single  Air-stone  attached  to  an  air-pump  can  easily  do  its  job.!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  replies.
 garothmaan,  sripad  :  I  have  pressurised  c02.   Do  I  need  a  CO2  indicator?
 
 Cichlid_lover  :  Have  cropped  the  tank  picture  to  remove  distracting  background.  Still  the  powerhead  is  big  compared  to  tank.  That  is  pelia  moss  on  the  foreground.  The  front  light  is  PLL.  So  high  light  plants  don't  grow  well.  Trying  Pelia  now.
 
 drug  :  Sir,  at  lights  off,  the  CO2  cannot  be  used  for  photosynthesis.  So  switching  it  off.  I  had  a  disaster  when  my  canister  filter  was  switched  off  accidentally  and  CO2  was  on.  Lost  80%  fishes  due  to  CO2  poisoning.  In  ADA  journal,  Amano  suggests  oxygenation  with  lily  pipe  at  night.  
 Keluthi  :  That  is  a  good  Idea.  Is  it  like  this?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 Maaaaaaan,  just  remove  that  air  pipe,  or  connect  the  co2  to  that  inlet  for  diffusion-  period.  its  a  good  tank,  if  there  is  any  alage,  close  the  lights  for  a  few  day  say  3  say...  algae  will  reduce  considerably.  let  it  be  natural  boss  Clapping
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 garothmaan  :  Sir,  Is  it  like  this?
 
 Will  it  achieve  better  diffusion  than  ceramic  diffuser?
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 DUPLICATE  POST.  Moderator,  please  delete  this.
 garothmaan  :  Sir,  Is  it  like  this?
 
 Will  it  achieve  better  diffusion  than  ceramic  diffuser?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 Just  remove  the  sponge  and  keep  your  ceramic  diffusor  UNDER  the  powerhead  and  you  should  be  good  to  go   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 This  is  probably  what  Mortis  meant.  You  can  actually  see  the  CO2  bubbles  from  the  diffuser  streaming  into  the  powerhead  intake
 
 Have  tried  this,  not  sure  if  its  worth  the  clutter.  Its  quite  impressive  to  see  the  power  head  churning  up  and  spitting  out  even  smaller  bubbles  than  the  diffuser

 
 
 
 


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 Am  aware  of  the  theory  behind  switching  off  at  night.  I  have  also  wondered  how  the  poor  fish  cope  with  the  huge  pH  swing  that  is  bound  to  occur  with  each  on  off  cycle  of  CO2.  I  have  lost  fish  to  CO2  mostly  when  I  fiddled  stupidly  /  irresponsibly  with  the  CO2  bubble  rate.  Commonest  mistake  was  to  increase  CO2  while  unable  to  watch  the  tank  in  the  immediate  post  adjustment  period.
 
 I  have  tried  out  the  ceramic  diffusers,  power  heads,  a  crude  home  made  reactor  and  various  other  stuff.  Currently  I  am  using  a  Ista  external  reactor  with  which  I  am  pretty  happy.  Have  used  CO2  indicators  to  confirm  that  my  CO2  levels  are  where  I  want  them  to  be.  I  mostly  keep  the  CO2  as  high  as  I  can  without  distressing  the  fish.  Haven't  switched  off  CO2  at  night  even  once  in  the  past  four  years.
 
 I  poersonally  wouldnt  bother  with  a  power  head  to  diffuse  the  CO2  when  I  have  pressurized  CO2.  With  your  tank  size,  the  canister  and  most  importantly  the  zeal  that  you  seem  to  have  it  would  be  simplest  to  get  and  external  reactor  for  the  CO2  and  then  see  if  you  need  a  small  Power  head     to  increase  the  flow  and  avoid  dead  spots
 
 I  am  sure  that  there  will  be  umpteen  differing  opinions.  This  works  for  me  but  YMMV
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 @DRDHEEP:  Bingo!  U  got  it  absolutely  correct  man..  Clapping
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Can a powerhead be used in planted tank? Reply with quote

 Just  to  summarize  what  has  been  said  earlier  by  everyone,
 
 Powerhead  -  Good  to  have  it.  Make  sure  it  serves  two  purposes  1.  Circulate  nutrients  and  remove  deadspots   2.  Circulate  CO2.  The  above  pic  is  just  what  you  want  to  do.  Make  the  mini  bubbles  turn  to  micro  bubbles  using  the  powerhead.  Not  justified  if  its  used  for  just  one  purpose.  These  things  burn  out  energy  and  not  recommended  adding  monthly  costs,  since  you  already  got  a  canister.  Always  make  sure  the  canister  and  powerhead  help  each  others  flow  and  do  not  cancel  it  out.  The  water  should  move  in  a  cycle  from  top  to  bottom  and  one  side  to  another.....Also  get  rid  of  the  sponge.  Normally  these  powerheads  come  with  two  attachments.  One  would  be  the  regular  sponge  compartment  and  another  a  small  pipe  with  a  mesh  around.  If  not,  get  it  from  fellow  hobbyists.  I  have  one  lying  around,  if  you  can  come  and  collect  it....
 
 O2  tubing  connected  to  the  powerhead  -  Remove  as  soon  as  possible.  If  I  were  you,  I  would  seal  that  hole  completely(kidding)
 
 Co2  at  night  -  Many  including  me  never  switched  it  off  at  night  and  it  worked  perfectly.  Surface  ripple  from  canister  is  what  helped  in  gases  exchange,  whether  its  night  or  day.
 
 Co2  bubble  rate  -  Buy  a  drop  checker.  It  just  costs  2xx  bucks.  This  will  solve  many  of  the  above  dilemmas  and  confusions  you  have.
 
 PL  lights  -  What  temperature  are  they?  6500K  is  what  you  should  aim  for.  T5HO  can  do  magic.  Not  mandatory  though.  Yours  is  not  a  very  tall  tank  to  have  intense  lights  like  T5HO.  
 Check  this  link.  Its  got  all  info  you  ever  wanted.
 http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/showthread.php?t=184368&highlight=
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