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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:03 pm Post subject: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 I  am  just  wondering  why  cant  we  use  vermicompost  as  it  is  completely  safe  to  use  in  aquarium.  We  can  make  root  tabs  and  liquid  fertilizer  out  of  it.
 
 Is  everyone  needs  more  customized  dosage  and  composition  the  only  reason?
 
 Any  thoughts?
 
 
 Chemicals  Percentage   
 Nitrogen  2   
 Phosphrous  1.2   
 Potash  1   
 Sulphur  0.4   
 Calshium  1.5   
 Magneshium  0.4   
 Iron  0.7   
 Chemicals  Parts  in  1  Million   
 Manganese  465   
 Zink  580   
 Copper  106   
 Boron  23   
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 I  used  vermipost  in  my  tank...
 i  have  not  added  fish  yet...
 i  added  3-4  KG  of  normal  soil  +  2  handful  of  pure  vermipost.  plants  are  doing  great.
 I'm  not  pro  but  issue  you  can  face  with  vermipost  is  in  initial  stages  it  will  release  lots  of  ammonia.  so  best  is  to  wait  till  u  see  good  plant  growth.  you  can  add  floating  plats  which  consumes  extra  nutrients  faster  as  they  get  co2  directly  from  air  (I  read  this  and  it  makes  sense).
 
 I  will  be  adding  fish  soon....once  added  everything  i'll  make  a  good  big  post  with  pics  and  everything.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 @jjaaxx   Thumb Up   way  to  go.  Waiting  to  see  your  journal
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 How  can  you  make  liquid  fertilizer  out  of  soil   Confused  
 
 You  could  make  it  into  root  tabs  by  mixing  it  with  red  clay  and  then  baking  it  to  forrm  hard  balls  which  you  can  shove  near  roots.  It  would  be  simpler  to  just  use  it  as  a  base  layer  below  inert  gravel  though
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 @mortis:  
 no  u  cant  do  liquid  substrate  our  of  soil  or  organic  ferts....it  will  be  dangerous  to  add  ammonia  rich  ferts  such  as  vermipost  with  fish  in  tank....
 we  are  referring  to  is  adding  vermipost  as  substrate  additive/root  tabs.
 
 @GokulK:  adding  vermipost  as  root  tab  will  work.  but  if  you  are  planning  to  add  them  in  cycled  tank  with  fish  in  I  personally  wont  do  it.  vermipost  tends  to  release  ammonia.
 
 In  case  u  still  what  to  do  it  and  dont  want  your  fish  to  be  in  danger,
 1.  mix  red  soil/clay  and  vermipost  and  very  little  laterite  
 2.  make  very  thick  mud  out  of  it
 3.  add  water  without(much)  disturbing  mud
 4.  let  soil/clay  settle  or  do  water  changes
 5.  get  some  media  from  cycled  tank
 6.  get  filter  and  add  those  media  to  filter  and  let  filter  run  at  least  2-3  weeks.
 7.  do  50-60%  water  changes  every  2-3  days  (More  the  merrier)  
 8.  after  3  weeks.  take  out  as  much  water  as  u  can.
 9.  again  make  very  thick  mud  so  that  u  can  make  small  balls  out  of  it.
 10.  let  it  dry  in  sun  completely
 11.  then  u  can  simply  push  them  in  your  substrate  just  make  sure  u  push  them  way  down  in  you  substrate
 
 I  have  not  tried  this  or  read  anywhere,  this  all  from  reading  about  nutrients  contents  of  vermipost/cast  and  nitrogen  cycle.
 

 Or  u  can  simply  move  fish  in  other  tank  let  your  cycled  tank/plants  take  care  of  access  of  NO2/NO3
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 "Or  u  can  simply  move  fish  in  other  tank  let  your  cycled  tank/plants  take  care  of  access  of  NO2/NO3"
 

 means  omit  steps  3  to  8
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:57 am Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 Jiaaxx  I  know  you  can  make  liquid  ferts  out  of  vermicompost  but  thats  what  to  OP  was  asking
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:15 am Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 @mortis:  
 do  u  know  thread  or  article  about  it,  have  u  used  it?  can  u  please  PM  me  link,  cos  i  think  it'll  be  out  of  topic...   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:27 am Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 @jjaaxx44  -  Thanks  for  the  info.  I  didn't  know  that  vermicompost  would  make  lots  of  ammonia  in  few  weeks.  But,  what  I  understand  with  the  sales  person  in  a  fertilizer  company  is  the  nutrients  will  deplete  in  water  within  15  days  and  during  oxidation  process  most  of  it  will  get  evaporated  out  of  water.  But  will  it  trouble  fish  if  we  make  very  few  small  size  clay  balls  with  vermicompost?  probably  3-5  balls(size  of  a  pill)  every  15-30  days?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 I  have  not  used  it  personally  but  I  know  someone  who  has  used  a  mix  of  vermicompost  and  coco  peat  with  good  results
 
 This  needs  to  be  a  base  layer  topped  with  river  sand  or  something  similar  of  around  3-4mm  size  granules
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  used  vermipost  in  my  tank...
 i  have  not  added  fish  yet...
 i  added  3-4  KG  of  normal  soil  +  2  handful  of  pure  vermipost.  plants  are  doing  great.
 I'm  not  pro  but  issue  you  can  face  with  vermipost  is  in  initial  stages  it  will  release  lots  of  ammonia.  so  best  is  to  wait  till  u  see  good  plant  growth.  you  can  add  floating  plats  which  consumes  extra  nutrients  faster  as  they  get  co2  directly  from  air  (I  read  this  and  it  makes  sense).
 
 I  will  be  adding  fish  soon....once  added  everything  i'll  make  a  good  big  post  with  pics  and  everything.                

 
 Whatever  fertilizer  you  use  initially  is  going  to  get  depleted  after  some  time.  How  do  you  propose  adding  vermicompost  to  the  substrate  again,  especially  after  you  have  added  the  fishes?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:47 am Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

 @Gokul:  all  organic  ferts  tends  to  release  ammonia  in  initial  stages.
 
                                                 
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sales  person  in  a  fertilizer  company  is  the  nutrients  will  deplete  in  water  within  15  days  and  during  oxidation  process  most  of  it  will  get  evaporated  out  of  water
                 

 Not  sure  if  its  true,  but  i  have  seen  many  people  giving  false  info  about  product  to  sell  it.
 May  be  u  can  test  this  by  adding  vermipost  in  water,  test  it  for  ammonia,  nitrite  n  nitrate.
 then  again  do  the  test  after  fortnight
 
 @Mortis:  yes  I  use  it  as  base  layer  in  my  tank,  but  what  about  liquid  fert  out  of  vermipost?
 
 @Suraj:  
 
                                                 
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1.  mix  red  soil/clay  and  vermipost  and  very  little  laterite  
 2.  make  very  thick  mud  out  of  it  
 3.  add  water  without(much)  disturbing  mud  
 4.  let  soil/clay  settle  or  do  water  changes  
 5.  get  some  media  from  cycled  tank  
 6.  get  filter  and  add  those  media  to  filter  and  let  filter  run  at  least  2-3  weeks.  
 7.  do  50-60%  water  changes  every  2-3  days  (More  the  merrier)  
 8.  after  3  weeks.  take  out  as  much  water  as  u  can.  
 9.  again  make  very  thick  mud  so  that  u  can  make  small  balls  out  of  it.  
 10.  let  it  dry  in  sun  completely  
 11.  then  u  can  simply  push  them  in  your  substrate  just  make  sure  u  push  them  way  down  in  you  substrate  
                 

 
 in  points  5-8  u'll  get  most  of  your  ammonia  out  of  your  vermipost,  plants  in  aquarium  dont  need  external  sources  of  ammonia  as  fish  provides  good  quantity  of  it.
 
 if  you  have  dried  2-4  cm  balls/sticks  of  vermipost+clay/soil  you  can  easily  insert  it  in  your  substrate  and  top  it  off  again  with  substrate.  as  u'll  do  to  normal  root  tabs/sticks.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:44 am Post subject: Re: DIY Root Tabs and Liquid Fertilizer with Vermicompost Reply with quote

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 @Suraj:  I'm  not  doing  root  tab  DIY,  I'm  doing  RnD  on  something  else.
 
 If  some  one  tries  any  of  above  please  let  us  know.
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 I  am  thinking  of  making  a  thick  layer  of  clay  with  vermicompost!  size  of  a  regular  capsule.
 I  understand  that  the  nitrate  content  is  high  in  vermicompost,  anyways  fish  waste  produce  quite  a  enough  of  nitrate.
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